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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / September 2006Nikon D80: In-depth Review
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ . . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its price class . . . . Deryck > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ > > . . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its > price class . . . . Well, it does cost a couple of hundred more than the XTi... Nice unit, though. The JPEGs do look different from the three cams compared, but RAW was so close it was insignificant between the Sony A100, XTi, and D80. Competition is a good thing. > Deryck >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ > >. . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its >price class . . . . > >Deryck Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands will not find it too friendly to use. >>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands > will not find it too friendly to use. I've got normal-sized hands and my D50 is a good fit, very comfortable. I've handled the D80 and the Alpha - those fit well in my hands too. The Rebel is too small for me. >>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands > will not find it too friendly to use. What a lot of total rubbish, you are a stupid, stupid person, I know several female photographers that use D2X's and they are small females and don't have a problem, the cameras are not that small or that big, the change to the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard would say anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life mate. Tell us what you really think, Pete.  SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : What a lot of total rubbish, you are a stupid, stupid person, I know several : female photographers that use D2X's and they are small females and don't : have a problem, the cameras are not that small or that big, the change to : the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard would say : anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life mate. Better not. ;-) > Tell us what you really think, Pete. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > : anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life > mate. >>>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >the D80 is not actually that much anyway and only a total retard would say >anything as remotely stupid as what you have just said. Get a life mate. Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50 is the same size. How can someone dismiss the concerns of people so blithly as you do? Also, using a large camera is different. One of the main problems with small ones is inadvertently hitting a button you didn't want to because of the small size of the camera. This happens to people all the time. With a large camera and small hands, how is that going to happen? > Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras > stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50 > is the same size. Really? Is my memory dizzy? I tried the D50 in a store and found it to be a lot larger than the 350D. D50: 133 x 102 x 76 mm (5.2 x 4.0 x 3.0 in) , 540 gm 350D: 127 x 94 x 64 mm (5.0 x 3.7 x 2.5 in), 490 gm Is 6mm x 8mm x 12mm significantly larger? It seemed so to me... David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan >> Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras >> stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Is 6mm x 8mm x 12mm significantly larger? It seemed so to me... Wow. From my perspective the 350D is significantly smaller. But I'd have thought that from the perspective of one who totes the larger Canon DSLRs with big L lenses that both the D50 and the 350D would be lumped together in an insanely small category, with little to distinguish one from the other. Those two represent the largest camera size I'd care to deal with but my own insanely small category includes sub-125 gram dcams. These include some of Canon's Ixus models, Olympus's mini (Stylus Verve), K/M DiMAGE X31, and any digital camera that might easily be mistaken for a credit card in the dark. :) >> Really? Is my memory dizzy? I tried the D50 in a store and found it to be >> a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > would be lumped together in an insanely small category, with little > to distinguish one from the other. The only "big L lens" I own is the 17-40, and that's not a particularly big lens<g>. But just grabbing the camera, the D50 fits my hand nicely while the 350D seems small. I find that the 5D hand grip has deeper sculpting and is easier to hold than the 20D, but that I like the 300D. These things are all YMMV, but the 350D really is targeted at people with smaller hands than mine. > Those two represent the largest > camera size I'd care to deal with but my own insanely small category > includes sub-125 gram dcams. These include some of Canon's Ixus > models, Olympus's mini (Stylus Verve), K/M DiMAGE X31, and any > digital camera that might easily be mistaken for a credit card in > the dark. :) I'm not as unsympathetic to smaller cameras as I sometimes sound; the 5D with either the 24-105/4.0 or 24-70/2.8 is over my weight limit (if the Tamron 28-75/2.8 didn't exist, I'd just shoot primes), and I prefer to not leave the tripod "L" bracket on the camera if I won't be using the tripod. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan > But just grabbing the camera, the D50 fits my hand nicely while the 350D > seems small. I find that the 5D hand grip has deeper sculpting and is easier > to hold than the 20D, but that I like the 300D. These things are all YMMV, > but the 350D really is targeted at people with smaller hands than mine. I think the 350D's ergonomics are just clutzy and I'd guess that the small-handed also have trouble with it. It's not a matter of size. I never had trouble operating my Elph Junior, which was not much bigger than a stack of credit cards. > Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras > stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > happens to people all the time. With a large camera and small hands, > how is that going to happen? I don't understand this argument. I have average sized hands and have always liked small cameras. I've owned several subminiature Minoxes and numerous tiny 35mm and APS point-and-shoots, and was delighted with my Canon S100, the first quality digicam small enough to be comparable. I never had any problems with them being too small. I always wanted them even smaller. I've played with the D50 and Rebel in stores and the Rebel's controls are a bit weird, but the camera itself isn't too small. The Pentax *ist DS isn't too small. Smaller is just about always better. > > Did you go and buy one? I've seen numerous times people in cameras > > stores (men with normal sized hands) complain about the Rebel. The D50 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > itself isn't too small. The Pentax *ist DS isn't too small. Smaller > is just about always better. Hello, Paul: Besides, a baby camera is just so damned darling! <g> Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> >>>>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > happens to people all the time. With a large camera and small hands, > how is that going to happen? No my young dweebish friend you seem to be missing the point, it is not the size that matter but the ergonomics, the 350D is just poorly designed, thats why the 400D has been improved in this area, still not as good as most others (not Oly's of course). >>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands >will not find it too friendly to use. Those who are confidant in their heterosexuality will have no problems with it. SignatureBill Funk replace "g" with "a" >> Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a >> woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands >> will not find it too friendly to use. > > Those who are confidant in their heterosexuality > will have no problems with it. Unless it's a smidgen too large to fit in their purse. >> Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a >> woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Unless it's a smidgen too large to fit in their purse. Hello, ASAAR: Incidentally, how well would the D80 fit in >your< purse? :-J Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> >>> Not really. They sized it like a D50 instead of a D70. It's a >>> woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Incidentally, how well would the D80 fit in >your< purse? :-J I'm not really sure. To paraphrase Jack Benny, "I'm thinking. I'm thinking." (and with pursed lips, of course) >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > woman's camera now, because men with normal sized hands > will not find it too friendly to use. It all depends on what you define as 'normal'. In Japan where the camera is designed the male users certainly wouldn't have any usage problems, but in obese America many users will have usability problems with their chubby hands. > It all depends on what you define as 'normal'. In Japan where the camera > is designed the male users certainly wouldn't have any usage problems, > but in obese America many users will have usability problems with their > chubby hands. Australian's too ... and the Brits and the Canadians ... http://www.healthinsite.gov.au/topics/Obesity SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 >>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >but in obese America many users will have usability problems with their >chubby hands. Reminds me of a Lacoste shirt someone bought me when they were in Mexico. It was marked "L" but fit more like a "S" I agree it might work well in different markets, but since when did the Japanese market dictate camera characteristics? They must hate things like the 30D, 1Ds, etc. > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/ > > . . . In-use performance also feels as though it's a step above its > price class . . . . > > Deryck Although the Rebel XTi (400D) has not been reviewed yet, the D80 is compared to it, so those waiting on the review can see how it performs image quality wise. All in all, these entry level DSLRs are fantastic!. I'm waiting on the release of the Pentax 10MP. Should image similar to D80 (same Sony sensor). No big deal if you shoot 8MP unless the camera's new features entice you. John The D80 is an astounding camera. I 'm too cheap to spring for the D200, I would rather get another lens, although I came close. In my less than extensive 4 days of use the two biggest improvements over the D70 for practical purposes are the viewing system and the noise levels at medium and high ISOs. Below ISO 400 there is no visually obvious difference between the 6mp and 10mp sensor but at higher speeds the differences are visually obvious. The viewing system is bigger and brighter but still a dSLR system that is essentially useless for critical manual focusing. Even if you cannot reliably manually focus the viewing system is itself a legitimate reason to upgrade from the D70 if you are an aging eyeglass wearer. Alll the D80 jpeg options are lost on me because I only shoot raw for my amateur purposes. I just don't understand why one would make extensive, irreversible in-camera changes to an image except under unusual circumstances. You really cannot preview what you have done on the small cameral LCD and will never know what you might have done with the raw image. The dpreview relies heavily on the Adobe 3.6 beta raw converter which is not available to normal people and Adobe has not set a firm date for release. I generally like the Adobe raw converter but it is certainly not perfect. The latest version of Nikon NX is a slow resource hog but a very capable raw converter that allows you to hand the image off to Photoshop at anytime. However NX is rather obscenely priced at $150. The appearance of these massive 30mb/10mp images on a computer monitor is overwhelming--its like looking at high DPI scans of fine grain medium format film. In reality if one does not print non-cropped images on paper larger than 8.5x11 there is no visible difference compared to the 6mp sensor although I am sure many will claim to see differences. > The D80 is an astounding camera. I 'm too cheap to spring for the D200, I > would rather get another lens, although I came close. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > reliably manually focus the viewing system is itself a legitimate reason > to upgrade from the D70 if you are an aging eyeglass wearer. So, does the D80 have a pentaprism? That would be reason enough to buy one in preference to a D70s. However, what I really want (in addition to a pentaprism) is the ability to use AI-S lenses. Thus, I suppose, it would be a D200 for me. Jim |
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