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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / August 2006can i use eyeglass cleaners on my lens
i feel so newbie asking this. at first i thought why not, but then i got to thinking that camera optics may actually require more care. my glasses get sctratched eventually, but i don't know if that's because of the cleaning solution or just dust settling and getting rubbed into the lenses over time. you have to clean glasses every day, but camera lenses don't require any attention after you put on a filter. so can i use eyeglass cleaners and cloth??? ,,,,like the lenscrafter eyeglass cleaners. Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not rubbing the dirt in?  SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly :i feel so newbie asking this. : [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : so can i use eyeglass cleaners and cloth??? ,,,,like the lenscrafter : eyeglass cleaners. > Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not rubbing > the dirt in? joan :):):),,,i don't know anybody so anal as to put their glasses under running h2o before cleaning them. normal folk take off their glasses, pull out a hanky, and wipe. >> Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not >> rubbing the dirt in? > > joan :):):),,,i don't know anybody so anal as to put their glasses > under running h2o before cleaning them. Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye glasses. SignatureBert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com all my friends do,,,but they don't run their glasses under water. > Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye > glasses. > all my friends do,,,but they don't run their glasses under water. If I don't have a bottle of lens cleaner handy, I certainly do. Trying to clean plastic lenses with a dry cloth, especially with a handkerchief you've been carrying in your pocket, is a really bad idea. >> Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye >> glasses. SignatureBert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com >all my friends do,,,but they don't run their glasses under water. I'll bet dollars to donuts that you are *wrong*. Cleaning plastic lenses when they are dry is a guaranteed way to ensure a need for new lenses within a few months rather than years. SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com >>all my friends do,,,but they don't run their glasses under water. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ensure a need for new lenses within a few months rather than > years. most people usually fog them up prior to wiping (Hhhhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhhh) :P P. SignatureI do *NOT* have a short attention sp...(Oooh!! shiny!!) >>> all my friends do,,,but they don't run their glasses under water. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> P > P. Here we go again! with the "normals", the "mosts", all the words designed to shore up our intuitive positions. I keep hearing this is a "technical" group; don't you reckon it deserves more explicit language, or at least a little foot-noting of references? For me it's easy to assert: "All _my_ friends rinse their eye-glasses in warm running water before using dishwashing liquid on them. He almost never needs to dry them, because the lenses' surface treatment keeps them so slick the water runs right off them with a quick shake and blow." "Most people" means half of everyone, plus one. How do you know? You can use eyegless cleaner on your lenses, but with normal attention and care (!) Philippe's aspirate and a good lens tissue or microfibre cloth should suffice. In extreme instances, Residual Oil Remover works well. SignatureFrank ess > Cleaning plastic lenses when they are dry is a guaranteed way to > ensure a need for new lenses within a few months rather than > years. that's ok. my eyes need new glasses every 6 months from me spending too much time on mesage boards. > all my friends do,,,but they don't run their glasses under water. When sailing in salt water, I lick them clean before drying of with a microfiber cloth. My spectacles that is, not my camera lenses ;-). Bart None of friends wear plasic lenses, they all went over the border and had Lasiks. Much better solution, all around. Mine was 4 years ago. Absolutely wonderful. Plus, enough drugs to keep you calm while they're cutting (almost) off the front of your eye and reshaping it with a laser. P.S. Smells like burning hair !!! > all my friends do,,,but they don't run their glasses under water. > > > Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye > > glasses. >>> Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not >>> rubbing the dirt in? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye > glasses. ?? You don't just take them off and lick them the way the rest of us do? >> Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye >> glasses. > > ?? You don't just take them off and lick them the way the rest of us do? You must wear Timex wristwatches too! >>>Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye >>>glasses. >> >>?? You don't just take them off and lick them the way the rest of us do? > > You must wear Timex wristwatches too! Hey! Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'! SignatureThese are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution. John >>>?? You don't just take them off and lick them the way the rest of us do? >> >> You must wear Timex wristwatches too! > > Hey! Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'! You knew! (who knew?). From so many messages posted here by self-idenified geezers, I'll be John Cameron Swayze hasn't been completely forgotten either. > >>>?? You don't just take them off and lick them the way the rest of us do? > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > self-idenified geezers, I'll be John Cameron Swayze hasn't been > completely forgotten either. Hello, ASAAR: Are Patrick Swayze and John Cameron Swayze related? I've always wondered. <g> Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> > Hello, ASAAR: > > Are Patrick Swayze and John Cameron Swayze related? > > I've always wondered. <g> I guess that they're related by profession (actors). :) It doesn't look like they share any familal relation. According to IMDB.com : [John Cameron] > Date of birth : 4 April 1906 (Wichita, Kansas, USA) > Date of death : 15 August 1995 [Patrick] > Older brother of Don Swayze > Son of choreographer Patsy Swayze > Father Jesse Swayze died of complications from alcoholism in 1982 and for any lurkers salivating for more Xenu info: > Former Roman Catholic, Baptist, Buddhist and Scientologist. > > Hello, ASAAR: > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > Former Roman Catholic, Baptist, Buddhist and Scientologist. Hello, ASAAR: Thanks! How did you ever become so omniscient? :-P By the way, I couldn't receive the latest posts, with my news browsers, for most of the week, until Friday (8-25-06). That's why I recently dispatched a batch of articles, via Google Groups. ("Dispatched a batch?" I like it! <g>) I'd earlier e-mailed my dial-up ISP (Concentric) about the issue, and they said it wasn't at their end. They also informed me that their news server "will be discontinued sometime this year," with no exact date given. Bummer! I'll hate needing to rely on Google Groups, exclusively, for my Usenet fix. It's so much easier using Netscape Communicator 4.8, which allows me to download an entire newsgroup's messages and then read them, offline. Whaddaya think, my fellow dial-up donkey, ASAAR? Is Concentric's dire decision another sign of Usenet's impending doom? Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> >> and for any lurkers salivating for more Xenu info: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! How did you ever become so omniscient? :-P I could say that I gazed into my crystal ball, but my new LCD display doesn't have enough depth to remotely qualify. I stand upon the shoulders of giants (google, IMDB, etc.) <g> > By the way, I couldn't receive the latest posts, with my news > browsers, for most of the week, until Friday (8-25-06). That's why I > recently dispatched a batch of articles, via Google Groups. > > ("Dispatched a batch?" I like it! <g>) It's good, but considering the esteem most of us ng folk have for GG, we'd prefer your tool to be an axe, and that you dispatch the batch with a much wider arc than absolutely necessary. :) > I'd earlier e-mailed my dial-up ISP (Concentric) about the issue, and > they said it wasn't at their end. They also informed me that their [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Whaddaya think, my fellow dial-up donkey, ASAAR? Is Concentric's dire > decision another sign of Usenet's impending doom? Not yet. I gave up on using mindspring's (aka Earthlink) newsgroup servers several years ago. Reliability and retention varied from worse than mediocre to horrible. Some people use "free" news servers. These usually offer no binary groups, only text groups such as r.p.d. At least one of these started charging a minimal yearly fee to weed out spammers, trolls and other abusers. I've chosen to use a pair of inexpensive commercial news servers. APN is very reliable and has very good retention. I use their most inexpensive monthly plan. The other news provider I use (Astraweb) is almost as reliable, has similar binary retention, but much shorter text ng retention, about 80 or 90 days worth. But for text they're almost free. They sell blocks of gigabytes of data, and there's no monthly or yearly expiration time limit. The last time I bought a block it was something like $10 for 35GB. That might not be much for binary downloaders, but for dialup users interested only in text newsgroups, that's enough to last for many decades of use. <edited, for brevity> > > I'd earlier e-mailed my dial-up ISP (Concentric) about the issue, and > > they said it wasn't at their end. They also informed me that their [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > be much for binary downloaders, but for dialup users interested only > in text newsgroups, that's enough to last for many decades of use. Hello, ASAAR: I gave up on binaries groups, a few weeks ago, anyway. Web-based UsenetBinaries.com <http://www.usenetbinaries.com> is there, when I want it, and it just started an NNTP news server, this month. (I'm currently a nonpaying subscriber and still don't plan to upgrade, even to the NNTP service.) Would you name any of these "free" Usenet servers, please? I'd prefer an NNTP one, so I could browse articles (and compose replies to them) offline. Thanks! Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> > Would you name any of these "free" Usenet servers, please? I'd prefer > an NNTP one, so I could browse articles (and compose replies to them) > offline. Here are some clips from my message archive, and the first may be the one that now charges a minimal yearly amount. I've never checked any of them, so what you get is, uh, what you get. :) > http://news.individual.net/ > http://www.newsservers.net/FreeNewsServers.htm > I found a web site that claims to furnish the latest info on free news > servers at [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > While your ISP still provides newsgroup access, check out the group, > alt.free.newsservers . >> Try www.teranews.com They have a.b.p.o with an almost 10,000 post >> retention, and about 200 posts per day, most of them photos plus some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Due to overwhelming response to free account they now have a setup charge of > $3.95. Not alot of money, only about £1.75 ish. SNIP > Here are some clips from my message archive, and the first > may be the one that now charges a minimal yearly amount. I've > never checked any of them, so what you get is, uh, what you get. :) > >> http://news.individual.net/ Ha, I have a filter set to drop messages from that source. I must say that I since then don't have to read some messages that others do react on, in a negative manner. Guess I'm not missing much. SignatureBart >>> http://news.individual.net/ > > Ha, I have a filter set to drop messages from that source. I must say > that I since then don't have to read some messages that others do > react on, in a negative manner. Guess I'm not missing much. I'll wager that a big part of the reason for their yearly usage fee was to filter the same posters that inspired your filter. :) > > Would you name any of these "free" Usenet servers, please? I'd prefer > > an NNTP one, so I could browse articles (and compose replies to them) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the one that now charges a minimal yearly amount. I've never > checked any of them, so what you get is, uh, what you get. :) <edited, for brevity> > >> Try www.teranews.com They have a.b.p.o with an almost 10,000 post > >> retention, and about 200 posts per day, most of them photos plus some > >> discussion. I saw no Spam at all! <edited> Hello, ASAAR: Thanks, again! What does "a.b.p.o" stand for, however? The a.b.p. parts must be, "alt.binaries.photos," but the "o" has me stumped. :-J Cordially, John Turco <jtur@@concentric.net> >>>> Try www.teranews.com They have a.b.p.o with an almost 10,000 post >>>> retention, and about 200 posts per day, most of them photos plus some [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks, again! What does "a.b.p.o" stand for, however? The a.b.p. parts > must be, "alt.binaries.photos," but the "o" has me stumped. :-J I think it's alt.binaries.photos.original, which one or two posters used as an alternative to a web site for sharing photos. I see that I'm still subscribed to that ng even though it was empty. Checking to compare teranews with APN (which I use to get r.p.d messages) and APN has just under 68,000 posts in a.b.p.o and gets about 450 posts per day. > >>>> Try www.teranews.com They have a.b.p.o with an almost 10,000 post > >>>> retention, and about 200 posts per day, most of them photos plus some [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > messages) and APN has just under 68,000 posts in a.b.p.o and gets > about 450 posts per day. Hello, ASAAR: Now, that's a >very< active newsgroup! <g> Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> >>>Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not >>>rubbing the dirt in? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then you must not know anyone who has plastic lenses in their eye > glasses. You know now-a-days a whole lot of places give a way those micro-fiber cloths that fold inside their own little holder & hang from your keychain. I've got several from just attending various workshops. SignatureThese are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution. John >>>> Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not >>>> rubbing the dirt in? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I've got several from just attending various workshops. Yes, but they don't do very well with oily stuff, like if you touch the outside of your nose and then your glasses. Spit and a T-shirt works better. My other problem with the miro-fiber sheets is that they get dirty in a hurry. I clean my glasses several times a day, and you just can't get enough of those cloths economically to make that work. Nothing works better than soap and warm running water. I've been wearing eyeglasses for more than 30 years, plastic lenses for most of that time. Yes, indeed, my glasses get scratched eventually, but I buy a new pair once a year anyway after my annual exam, so what's the difference. My camera lenses are another story. They are expected to last years and years, and therefore, they get better treatment. Still I don't care for those crinkley Kodak lens tissues. A quick dust with a camel hair puffer, and if that doesn't do it, a drop of commercial camera lens cleaner and a (non aloe, non scented, regular old fashioned) facial tissue has worked for me for decades. Regards, DAve SNIP > Yes, but they don't do very well with oily stuff, like if you touch > the outside of your nose and then your glasses. Breathing on the surface and wiping with the cloth works very well for me, but plastics can indeed be tough to clean. > Spit and a T-shirt works better. My other problem with the > miro-fiber sheets is that they get dirty in a hurry. That just proves they work, doesn't it? > I clean my glasses several times a day, and you just can't get > enough of those cloths economically to make that work. Get a bigger one! Even better, get 2 bigger ones, and you can wash/dry one (at high temperatures depending on the instrucions) without using softeners etc., and use the other one till you swap them. SignatureBart > >>>Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not > >>>rubbing the dirt in? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > John Hello, John: What's this? Free microfiber cloths? And I gave Best Buy, $5.99, for a "Digipower" rag, earlier in the month? Of course, mine is much too big to fit on a keychain, so maybe I wasn't ripped off as badly as I'd first feared. :-P Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> >> Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not rubbing >> the dirt in? > >joan :):):),,,i don't know anybody so anal as to put their glasses >under running h2o before cleaning them. normal folk take off their >glasses, pull out a hanky, and wipe. Talk to virtually *any* professional that deals with eye glasses, and they will tell you that is the absolute *worst* thing you can do! *NEVER* clean you eyeglasses when the lenses are dry. Running water is best, but the absolute minimum is to at least get them "wet", with something (I tend to use isopropyl alchohol just as often as water). SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com Does that damage the anti-glare coating? SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : (I tend to use isopropyl alchohol just as : often as water). >Does that damage the anti-glare coating? I can't imagine that it does. What it does that is good, is dissolve any oils. A good mild soap will also do that, but it takes a little more effort. I just happen to have a bottle of isopropyl alcohol within reach, while a sink with running water and soap is some distance away, so I do what is easy. Note that by comparison, you do *not* want to try cleaning a camera lense with isopropyl alcohol. It leaves a residue that has to be wiped off, and the coating on a camera lense will eventually be damaged. Eye glasses don't last that long, so it isn't a problem. >: (I tend to use isopropyl alcohol just as >: often as water). SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com I haven't discussed glasses cleaning methods with my friends, so I don't know how other people clean their glasses. I do know that the anti-glare coating on my glasses can get scratched as I did scratch a pair many years ago. Since then, I wash my hands with soap or soft-soap and while they're still soapy I pick up my glasses, let the running water fall over them then soap them up and rinse them and then rinse my hands. I dry my hands on a towel then my glasses on a Kleenex plain tissue. I remember grabbing a tissue at my sister's place a couple of years ago and couldn't work out why my glasses were getting worse. She had those fancy impregnated tissues! SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : > Surely you wash your glasses under running water so you're not rubbing : > the dirt in? : : joan :):):),,,i don't know anybody so anal as to put their glasses : under running h2o before cleaning them. normal folk take off their : glasses, pull out a hanky, and wipe. > I remember grabbing a tissue at my sister's place a couple of years > ago and couldn't work out why my glasses were getting worse. She had > those fancy impregnated tissues! So that's where those little tissues come from! The pocket packs? Yes, probably ;-) SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : > I remember grabbing a tissue at my sister's place a couple of years : > ago and couldn't work out why my glasses were getting worse. She had : > those fancy impregnated tissues! : : So that's where those little tissues come from! You can use whatever you want to clean your lenses. Just remember your camera lenses will be used far longer than your eye glasses so any damage will accumulate with time. The coatings on camera lenses are different than the coatings on glasses. I think it would be prudent to read and follow the manufacturers instructions. The best advice I have heard is "do not get your lens dirty in the first place". And always use the least of amount of cleaning necessary to clean the lens. Prevention and limiting the damage in the first place is the best advice. I use a sacrificial NC filter when a lens is mounted on the camera, unless I know it will degrade the shoot, and always use front and rear lens caps when a lens is off the camera. > I haven't discussed glasses cleaning methods with my friends, so I > don't know how other people clean their glasses. I do know that the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > : under running h2o before cleaning them. normal folk take off their > : glasses, pull out a hanky, and wipe. >i feel so newbie asking this. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > so can i use eyeglass cleaners and cloth??? ,,,,like the lenscrafter > eyeglass cleaners. NO. NO. NO There are special Camera Lens cleaning solutions, and equipment. Spectacle lenses will be replaced every 2 years or so. When did you last pay £500 or $1000 for 1 Spectacle Lens. That fact alone should engender a little bit more care. Roy G > >i feel so newbie asking this. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > NO. NO. NO yer on crack!! <grin> > i feel so newbie asking this. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > so can i use eyeglass cleaners and cloth??? ,,,,like the lenscrafter > eyeglass cleaners. Sure you can use it. No one will arrest you for doing it, but keep in mind that eyeglasses and camera glass is not made the same and has different coatings on it. The eyeglass manufacturers know people will clean them off on their blue jeans so they take that into account. The camera lens manufacturers do not. I normally do not recommend the use of filters to "protect" a lens, but if you are in a situation where you need to clean your lens often or if you just like cleaning it, then I suggest a UV or plain glass "filter" may be a good idea so you can clean it and throw it away from time to time. While a small chip on the front of a lens will generally not do any noticeable damage to the images produced, the many small scratches from miss-cleaning can. SignatureJoseph Meehan Dia duit Why not?!?? - saline solution is filtered, sterile and contains sodium chloride i.e. in my opinion is a great lens cleaner!!! Is also cheaper if you purchase by the pint!!! SignatureBing Bang Boom Viola Done! > > i feel so newbie asking this. > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > noticeable damage to the images produced, the many small scratches from > miss-cleaning can. > Why not?!?? - saline solution is filtered, sterile and contains sodium > chloride i.e. in my opinion is a great lens cleaner!!! > > Is also cheaper if you purchase by the pint!!! I don't believe that saline solutions are recommended for cleaning eyeglasses. They are recommended for cleaning eyes. A saline solution is a salt solution. The salt would add nothing I know of to the cleaning properties and would leave salt deposits on the lens. Salt, if it got into the metal parts, would cause corrosion. That would be a very poor cleaner for eye glasses or lenses. I suppose you really intended to say eyeglass cleaning solutions. The problem there are that there is no standard solution. there may be a hundred different solutions available. It is not likely that they all would be good for camera lenses, and I would guess some would be good. Why take the chance when lens cleaner is cheap. On bottle of the stuff should last for years, unless you have very difficult environments you are using the lens in or you are over cleaning the lenses and are likely to damage them from that. SignatureJoseph Meehan Dia duit |
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