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luk - 15 Aug 2006 16:23 GMT I've been restoring and saving family photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash drive preserve them longer?
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Joseph Meehan - 15 Aug 2006 21:54 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk Good question. I don't know about life expectancy of flash drives. I would suggest that it would be a good idea to make at least two copies of the CD-R and renew them every 3-5 years. Keep one copy with you and one with friend or family far away, like across country. No matter what, one is likely to survive.
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Paul Heslop - 15 Aug 2006 22:35 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk what about an external hard drive?
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Sharp - 15 Aug 2006 22:48 GMT >> I've been restoring and saving family >> photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >what about an external hard drive? Another thing worth considering is using the best quality CDRs you can get. Check out the CDRs at http://www.inkjetart.com/mitsui/. They cost more, but should last a lot more reliably than the 35 cent CDRs, which I've had go bad on me from simple storage -- really go bad from spending time in a car during an Alabama summer.
luk - 15 Aug 2006 23:17 GMT > Another thing worth considering is using the best quality CDRs you can > get. Check out the CDRs at http://www.inkjetart.com/mitsui/. They cost > more, but should last a lot more reliably than the 35 cent CDRs, which > I've had go bad on me from simple storage -- really go bad from > spending time in a car during an Alabama summer. Interesting. As it happens, I asked at my local computer store what CD-Rs would last the longest. I was sent to the tech department. The tech department didn't know either. I specifically asked whether gold- toned disks were better and they had no idea.
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Paul Heslop - 16 Aug 2006 01:45 GMT > > Another thing worth considering is using the best quality CDRs you can > > get. Check out the CDRs at http://www.inkjetart.com/mitsui/. They cost [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Luk many people recommend Taiyo yuden but then you have the 'is it real or is it fake' thing.
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Mr.Bolshoyhuy - 28 Aug 2006 16:54 GMT > Another thing worth considering is using the best quality CDRs you can > get. Check out the CDRs at http://www.inkjetart.com/mitsui/. They cost > more, but should last a lot more reliably than the 35 cent CDRs, which > I've had go bad on me from simple storage -- really go bad from > spending time in a car during an Alabama summer. I buy TDK or HP CDRs for 0.20c each, either 50 for $10 spindle or 10 for $4 w/jewel cases. Make 2 or more copies.
Joan - 19 Aug 2006 06:21 GMT How old is your oldest hard drive? Have you tried to use an old 20MB hard drive?
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: > I've been restoring and saving family : > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : what about an external hard drive? Paul Heslop - 19 Aug 2006 07:26 GMT > How old is your oldest hard drive? Have you tried to use an old 20MB > hard drive? > > -- > Joan > http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly this for the OP or me Joan?
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Joan - 19 Aug 2006 07:42 GMT Doesn't matter really, but you suggested a hard drive. I wouldn't trust them for long term storage.
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: > How old is your oldest hard drive? Have you tried to use an old 20MB : > hard drive? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : : this for the OP or me Joan? Paul Heslop - 19 Aug 2006 10:10 GMT > Doesn't matter really, but you suggested a hard drive. I wouldn't > trust them for long term storage. Personal thing I suppose. they do fail but so do discs. In fact I am unsure what is the absolute best way to store, so a combination of the things mentioned seems to be a good idea.
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Joan - 19 Aug 2006 11:09 GMT A shoe box is an old favourite of mine ;-)
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: > Doesn't matter really, but you suggested a hard drive. I wouldn't : > trust them for long term storage. : > : Personal thing I suppose. they do fail but so do discs. In fact I am : unsure what is the absolute best way to store, so a combination of : the things mentioned seems to be a good idea. Paul Heslop - 19 Aug 2006 11:31 GMT > A shoe box is an old favourite of mine ;-) Heh, we have two boxes, both huge things, containing pics from our own kids and their kids mainly. One thing about digital, it's compact :O)
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no_name - 20 Aug 2006 04:17 GMT >>Doesn't matter really, but you suggested a hard drive. I wouldn't >>trust them for long term storage. > > Personal thing I suppose. they do fail but so do discs. In fact I am > unsure what is the absolute best way to store, so a combination of > the things mentioned seems to be a good idea. Backup to CD/DVD (twice) and to backup hard-disk (also twice). One set of backups stays here, the other set gets stored off site.
Is kind of a pain to keep the backup hard-disks reasonably synchronized.
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Paul Heslop - 20 Aug 2006 05:33 GMT > >>Doesn't matter really, but you suggested a hard drive. I wouldn't > >>trust them for long term storage. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Is kind of a pain to keep the backup hard-disks reasonably synchronized. now that sounds pretty much like my system... and yes, it is painful
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jtur@concentric.net - 25 Aug 2006 07:45 GMT > > Doesn't matter really, but you suggested a hard drive. I wouldn't > > trust them for long term storage. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Stop and Look > http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ Hello, Paul:
DVD-RAM is the best optical storage medium, overall. It can be accessed as easily as a hard disk or floppy and is more reliable than the other DVD (and CD) formats, all while remaining fairly affordable.
Each of my two Pentium III PC's contains a "multiwriter" DVD drive, which includes DVD-RAM capability. The LG Electronics GSA-4120B is in my main machine, as it's far quieter (and less flaky), and can read/write more formats, than my older Panasonic SW-9571 (OEM). The latter has been demoted to a secondary role, for obvious reasons. <g>
As to DVD-RAM media, most of mine consists of Maxell, with some Panasonic puppies thrown in. Neither brand has ever caused me any problems -- nor should it, as a DVD-RAM disc boasts a lifetime of 100,000 rewrite cycles!
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Paul Heslop - 25 Aug 2006 08:16 GMT > > > Doesn't matter really, but you suggested a hard drive. I wouldn't > > > trust them for long term storage. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Cordially, > John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> Thanks John, you may have given me the spur. I have been putting them off due to price, and not having a burner on my machine, just a panasonic stand alone, but I bought a pack of verbatim dvd-rw and they seemed okay until recently when i recorded something, the disc failed and I lost some stuff I wanted to keep from the disc. I see there are some datawrite and datasafe rams available online too, but I'll have to take a look at getting myself a burner aswell soon. (I just write to cdr presently)
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jeremy - 25 Aug 2006 13:34 GMT >> DVD-RAM is the best optical storage medium, overall. It can be accessed >> as easily as a hard disk or floppy and is more reliable than the other >> DVD (and CD) formats, all while remaining fairly affordable. DVDs were not engineered with as much error correction as were CDs, and are inferior to CDs because of that reason.
For long-term archiving (by that I mean over 5-year time horizon) CDs remain a more secure choice.
dmaster - 25 Aug 2006 14:35 GMT > >> DVD-RAM is the best optical storage medium, overall. It can be accessed > >> as easily as a hard disk or floppy and is more reliable than the other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > For long-term archiving (by that I mean over 5-year time horizon) CDs remain > a more secure choice. My humble opinion:
No matter what mechanism you choose, *multiple* copies, preferably in multiple locations is your best bet. As long as your photo collection size allows it, I recommend backing up your entire collection on one time writeable media each time you back up. That way, you will have many copies of every file, and chances of at least one good copy is pretty good.
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jeremy - 25 Aug 2006 20:49 GMT >> >> DVD-RAM is the best optical storage medium, overall. It can be >> >> accessed [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Dan (Woj...) Agreed. Absolutely.
Neil Maxwell - 25 Aug 2006 20:30 GMT >>> DVD-RAM is the best optical storage medium, overall. It can be accessed >>> as easily as a hard disk or floppy and is more reliable than the other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >For long-term archiving (by that I mean over 5-year time horizon) CDs remain >a more secure choice. Counting on CDRs to remain readable for 5 years is asking for complete loss of all your data. Many CDRs don't even last 2 years, and DVDRs are the same. They aren't archival media under any circumstances, and that includes those sold as archival.
I keep all my archives on a hard disk, which is backed up to 2 other hard disks - one local, one on the network - with all the other data I don't want to lose. Now and again, I dump them to DVD, and this gives me a fresh offline copy.
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jeremy - 25 Aug 2006 20:52 GMT >>>> DVD-RAM is the best optical storage medium, overall. It can be accessed >>>> as easily as a hard disk or floppy and is more reliable than the other [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer Hard disks absolutely WILL fail eventually, so they have their shortcomings for long-term storage.
You may be willing to store your stuff on multiple HDs, but will your descendents? Probably not.
An optical medium--one that does not require much maintenance--is the way to go. Right now, the best that consumers have is CD, and they too have their problems.
Neil Maxwell - 30 Aug 2006 17:10 GMT >> Counting on CDRs to remain readable for 5 years is asking for complete >> loss of all your data. Many CDRs don't even last 2 years, and DVDRs [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >go. Right now, the best that consumers have is CD, and they too have their >problems. The problem is that there's no good consumer option for long-term storage (more than 5 years) of digital data.
It's all about risk assessment and risk management, and everyone needs to make their own decisions regarding the value of their data, how much risk they're willing to accept, and what they're willing to do to protect it.
Personally, I'm not good at manual scheduled backups, so a multi-tier automated HD system is far and away best for me, and has saved me countless hours. People who are good at manual backups can choose differently.
Yes, all storage media fails, however, a typical HD lasts longer than a typical burned CDR, IME, and I've been archiving data on a variety of media for 20 years. Much more data is lost on a HD failure, and they cost more, but again, those are all risk management decisions.
I have a large collection of unreadable optical media. In my case, I have much more digital data than just photos that I want to keep, so a networked HD backup system works very well, and my data has survived several HD failures. The stuff that was on CDR from before I realized how bad it was is all gone.
It's a trade-off, as always. Sure, a CDR or DVDR doesn't require maintenance when burned, but if you try to read it and don't get anything, you're out of luck. The 'net is full of sob stories about people trying to read their burned media and failing, and about people who lose their HDs with no backups as well.
As I said, counting on optical media to last 5 years is asking for loss of your data. There's plenty of data to support this.
As for my descendants, well, that's up to them. There will be whole new storage systems in 10-20 years, and today's longevity data will be moot. For now, a combination of HD backup and optical media is without a doubt the best from a risk management perspective.
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Frank ess - 30 Aug 2006 17:46 GMT <snip>
> It's a trade-off, as always. Sure, a CDR or DVDR doesn't require > maintenance when burned, but if you try to read it and don't get [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > moot. For now, a combination of HD backup and optical media is > without a doubt the best from a risk management perspective. I've taken to external HD backups, and when (one matched pair, so far) full, I disconnect and store them, one off-site. Seems to me a quick USB connection is likely to be available for most home computers for a long time.
In my nearly thirty years of using hard drives, dozens upon dozens, there's been one drive failure, and I was ble to recover 95% of the useful data. I have a case of Zip disks that may or may not be any good, but the important stuff from them went on a HD a couple-three years ago. Same for almost all of my CD-ROM and DVD-ROM stuff. If I weren't so lazy--I mean busy--it would all be cozy on HD.
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John Turco - 26 Aug 2006 11:00 GMT > >> DVD-RAM is the best optical storage medium, overall. It can be accessed > >> as easily as a hard disk or floppy and is more reliable than the other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > For long-term archiving (by that I mean over 5-year time horizon) CDs remain > a more secure choice. Hello, Jeremy:
Sorry, but you're dead wrong. DVD-RAM is the optimal optical option, for storage purposes. :-)
It has >superior< error-correction capabilities (for data), and unlike other DVD/CD formats, requires no potentially-flaky "packet writing" software, in order to achieve its HDD/FDD functionality.
Conversely, DVD-RAM has very sparse compatibility with the vast majority of DVD readers and writers (both stand-alone models and PC-based ones). Panasonic and a mere handful of additional manufacturers have been its lone backers, thus far.
Nonetheless, on my two Panasonic stand-alone DVD recorders [DMR-E50P (DVD-R/DVD-RAM) & DMR-E75VP (VHS/DVD-R/DVD-RAM combo unit), DVD-RAM is perfectly suited for the "time shifting" of television programs. Due to its random-access nature, it thoroughly demolishes tape, from a convenience/speed standpoint; and further, it even enables certain TiVo-like features.
To summarize, DVD-RAM is unique among its DVD counterparts, in having been chiefly intended for data storage. It seems Panasonic had originally championed it as the eventual successor to the similar MO (magneto-optical) technology, but with increased capacity and lower cost.
Incidentally, where did you hear of CD's being better than DVD's, with respect to error correction? That's news to me, and besides, a DVD can hold several times as much data/video as a CD.
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Jim - 16 Aug 2006 02:36 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk Kodachrome.. oops hardly an option anymore. I am glad my earliest memories are on Dad's Kodachrome. They will be around for a very long time. That being said, most my stuff is scanned to digital or originated as digital. Its all stored on hard drives. And it is backed up to DVD every so often. Every 6 months, I take one of the DVD's and put in my Safe Deposit box. every two months I take one to work and put it in my desk (and yes, there are no photo's on that DVD that I fear my employer finding.. at work, its the employers property).
I would not trust a flash drive. Too easy to erase, smash, lose etc. Make backups, often. Keep at least two generations of backups. Man, life was so much easier in the days of Kodachrome or black and white negatives. The stuff would last forever.
In 10 years, will you be able to buy a device to read DVD's, CD's or current hard disk file systems.. . a question worth thinking long and hard about.
Its not so far fetched. In the datacenter I manage, I need to maintain several old tape systems to manage Archives on media that is no longer supported. Yes we copy if off, but there is still a backlog.
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Mr.Bolshoyhuy - 28 Aug 2006 17:11 GMT > In 10 years, will you be able to buy a device to read DVD's, CD's or > current hard disk file systems.. . a question worth thinking long and > hard about. considering that proprietary storage media such as Zip, Jaz, Syquest, Orb, Shark, LS-120, etc. are dead, I'd be worried about relying on whatever is used today; However, the 1.44mb floppy is in all PCs, and non-proprietary media such as CDRs/DVDs will be around for atleast 20 years.
ASAAR - 28 Aug 2006 18:33 GMT >> In 10 years, will you be able to buy a device to read DVD's, CD's or >> current hard disk file systems.. . a question worth thinking long and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > today; However, the 1.44mb floppy is in all PCs, and non-proprietary > media such as CDRs/DVDs will be around for atleast 20 years. You really can't compare those devices with CDs and DVDs. Almost all of their owners used them for portability, transferring large amounts of data before broadband internet became common, etc. I own Zip and Syquest drives and would never consider using them for archival purposes, partly because the capacities weren't all that great, but mainly because the media was way too expensive. For the price of a single 270MB Syquest disk I could buy a handful of tapes, and each tape could easily hold more data than a dozen Syquest disks. Tapes were not only much faster, but had enough capacity to backup an entire hard drive at night, unattended. No staying by the computer to keep feeding in one disk cartridge after another.
The point is, those drives were not bought in large numbers by computer owners, and that's why you don't see them today. CDs and DVDs on the other hand, are included with just about every new computer sold. That can't even be said for floppy drives, so you're wrong there. The HP computer I recently bought has NO floppy drive, nor has it a bay to hold one. If I need a floppy I'll have to buy an external USB model.
The CDs we use today may not be sold 30 or 40 years from now, but their wide use has encouraged manufacturers to develop DVD drives that can not only read, but also write to CD media. There's the possibility that whatever replaces today's DVD drives will continue along the compatibility path. This was *not* true for Zip, Syquest and Bernoulli disk cart's. There was some backwards *read* compatibility, but usually no *write* compatibility. Of course for old archived disks, all you really need is to be able to read them, and this is no problem because CDs and DVDs are cheap and not intended to be reused. Those old disk cartridges created a problem for their owners because they were so expensive. If they owned several dozen of them, a new higher capacity drive meant a new a large expenditure for a bunch of new cartridges. CD and DVD owners haven't yet had this problem.
Bill Funk - 28 Aug 2006 21:27 GMT >> In 10 years, will you be able to buy a device to read DVD's, CD's or >> current hard disk file systems.. . a question worth thinking long and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >today; However, the 1.44mb floppy is in all PCs, and non-proprietary >media such as CDRs/DVDs will be around for atleast 20 years. No, the 1.44MB drive isn't in all PCs. It's old technomlgy. I just looked at Dell, as an example, and 3.5" floppies are listed as available on most systems, but not included.
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Neil Ellwood - 29 Aug 2006 11:36 GMT >> In 10 years, will you be able to buy a device to read DVD's, CD's or >> current hard disk file systems.. . a question worth thinking long and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > today; However, the 1.44mb floppy is in all PCs, and non-proprietary > media such as CDRs/DVDs will be around for atleast 20 years. Neither my sons pc or my one has a floppy disk drive and if i Had one how would I get even one quality photo on it ?
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stauffer@usfamily.net - 16 Aug 2006 15:02 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk This depends a lot on the quality of the CD-R disks. I have seen estimates of from 2-10 years, depending on brand and specifics (and labeling method!). I have seen estimates of 5 years on flash. So GOOD CDs would be better than flash, bad CDs not as good as flash.
Our local paper has a weekly column on digital living, and this question was discussed in today's column. The columnist advised against storing on hard drive if drive was used frequently. He advised buying good quality disks, and recopying CD every five years or so.
luk - 16 Aug 2006 15:55 GMT > This depends a lot on the quality of the CD-R disks. I have seen > estimates of from 2-10 years, depending on brand and specifics (and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > storing on hard drive if drive was used frequently. He advised buying > good quality disks, and recopying CD every five years or so. How do I make sure I'm buying good quality disks?
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stauffer@usfamily.net - 17 Aug 2006 14:51 GMT > > This depends a lot on the quality of the CD-R disks. I have seen > > estimates of from 2-10 years, depending on brand and specifics (and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Luk Not easy but two suggestions- buy name brand, and in some brands they sell "premium" longer lasting ones. One brand has a gold plating coating that is supposed to aid lifetime.
Also, important suggestions- be careful about labeling. I used those adhesive labels made for disks. Then heard that these are bad- adhesive leaches into disk plastic. Sure enough, every one of the disks I had done that way went bad in about a year. I now buy labelable disks for my Epson printer which will print on CDs, or use a CD/DVD-safe marking pen, bought at computer store, for less important disks.
luk - 17 Aug 2006 17:01 GMT >>How do I make sure I'm buying good >>quality disks? >> >>Luk
> Not easy but two suggestions- buy name brand, and in some brands they > sell "premium" longer lasting ones. One brand has a gold plating [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > labelable disks for my Epson printer which will print on CDs, or use a > CD/DVD-safe marking pen, bought at computer store, for less important I wish you had named names. I've shopped for CD-R disks in several stores, looking for info about durability. After determining that CD-Rs are the category I'm supposed to buy, there aren't many choices and the labels aren't helpful.
Someone wrote somewhere that gold toned disks are a good thing. But the only gold toned disks I found were simply designed for labeling convenience. They're called LightScribe. Like this: http://www.memorex.com/html/products_detail.php?section=1&SID=1&PID=899&FID=129& opento=2#
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John Turco - 19 Aug 2006 04:31 GMT <edited, for brevity>
> Someone wrote somewhere that gold toned disks > are a good thing. But the only gold toned [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Luk Hello, Luk:
Only certain, newer DVD writers can "etch" Light Scribe media. Unless you own such a device, or intend to acquire one, there's no point in buying these discs.
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
One4All - 26 Aug 2006 04:14 GMT Look into eFilm Archival Gold CD's by Delkin Devices (300 years) and Archival Gold DVD's, also by Delkin (100 years).These have been favorably reviewed in photo magazines.
> >>How do I make sure I'm buying good > >>quality disks? > >> > >>Luk no_name - 16 Aug 2006 23:07 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk Probably not. Get the best quality CD-R disks you can find & use them.
A backup external hard-disk could also be a good thing. Store the CD "images" on it.
Kiwiski - 19 Aug 2006 07:52 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk One way or other we will always have to be changing medium every few years - what a hassle. I'm now storing things online with a company I trust (they have a very strong reputation, the highest possible financial strength rating - so are not about to go bust, a policy to never ever delete anyone's images, and a back up system as strong as any banks). I have figured that my images are safer with them than on any system I come up with (even if it wasn't corruptible, there is always fire and flood!). I won't name the company publicly as I was so taken by it I decided to join it - (it would look too much like spam). John
shepshep1@excite.com - 26 Aug 2006 16:59 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk You could use web based storage such as flickr etc...
ezza17au - 26 Aug 2006 17:40 GMT > I've been restoring and saving family > photos on CD-R disks. Would a flash > drive preserve them longer? > > Luk Hi Luk,
>From what I have read in the past, CD-R disks should store your data for quite some time. Many years, perhaps numbered in the 10s of years (you might need to check the manufacturer's specs on the disks just to make sure). While flash drives are very cool & reasonably stable, I still think that as an electronic device, they're more prone to failure than a CD disk stored safely and properly in a cover &/or case.
Plus, they're an infinitely cheaper option than a flash drive, especially if you have LOTS of photos...
Eran http://EranMalloch.com Perth, Western Australia
Jeff - 27 Aug 2006 23:49 GMT >>From what I have read in the past, CD-R disks should store your data > for quite some time. Many years, perhaps numbered in the 10s of years [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://EranMalloch.com > Perth, Western Australia Here in the UK you can get a 300GB external HD for 100 UKP (about $180) If my math is correct :-O that equates to about 460 CDs.
I have 2 of these for backup (inc photos) so have 3 copies of my data. When one fails, I will replace it. Sure, everything fails eventually but I'm inclined to believe HDs are a more proven technology (I've had 3 or 4 branded CDs become unreadable within 5 years but never had a HD failure in 15 years)
It also makes management of your photos easier - they're all on one disk rather than multiple optical disks.
Well that's my thoughts anyway :-)
Best Wishes,
Jeff
Hebee Jeebes - 28 Aug 2006 05:33 GMT CDs and DVDs are not good viable long term storage. Their life spans are much less than marketing would like to tell you. A few years if your really luck. Not decades. Your best bet is to back up to CD (not DVD they are even less reliable for long term storage) and a hard drive. Do new backups to both mediums every 6 months or so depending on how many images you accumulate. Myself I end up with about 6,000 images a month so I do new backups every month to both CD and hard drive. The hard drive is a USB 2 drive that is only connected and powered when I do that backup. Once the backup is done I unhook it and put it back in the vault.
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>>>From what I have read in the past, CD-R disks should store your data >> for quite some time. Many years, perhaps numbered in the 10s of years [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jeff John Turco - 29 Aug 2006 06:10 GMT > "Jeff" <newjtayl@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message <edited, for brevity>
> > Here in the UK you can get a 300GB external HD for 100 UKP (about $180) > > If my math is correct :-O that equates to about 460 CDs. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > R Hello, Hebee Jeebes:
You and the previous poster ("Jeff") are deluding yourselves, if you think hard disks are infallible. Any HDD can die, at any moment; spend some time, in <news:comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage>, and you'll see what I mean.
That said, for daily backups of individual files, I employ a "Backpack 154030" 30GB, external USB hard drive (from the now-defunct company, Micro Solutions). I've used it, for three years and leave it connected, constantly, to facilitate copying.
For other backup strategies, my two computers' internal DVD writers are helpful. Each can record to DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM discs, with DVD-RAM being the best of the bunch, for various reasons.
Finally, where did you get the notion that DVD's "are even less reliable for long term storage" than CD's? This makes no sense, whatsoever!
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Jeff - 29 Aug 2006 20:14 GMT > You and the previous poster ("Jeff") are deluding yourselves, if you > think hard disks are infallible. Any HDD can die, at any moment; spend > some time, in <news:comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage>, and you'll see > what I mean. Hi John, I didn't say hard disks are infallible ;-) I know they're not. That's why I have 3, one internal and 2 external. Chances of all 3 failing at once are 'slim'
I just find it easier having all my data backed up to 2 devices rather than a load of CDs or DVDs.
Best Wishes,
Jeff (UK)
John Turco - 31 Aug 2006 07:03 GMT > > You and the previous poster ("Jeff") are deluding yourselves, if you > > think hard disks are infallible. Any HDD can die, at any moment; spend [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jeff (UK) Hello, Jeff:
You're correct; sorry, for any misunderstanding.
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@@concentric.net>
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