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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / April 2006D-200
If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to buy CANON..........any comments????? > If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to > buy CANON..........any comments????? Yes... BORING!!! > If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to > buy CANON..........any comments????? The Tazo Chai at Starbucks is surprisingly refreshing.  SignatureIt Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net >If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to >buy CANON..........any comments????? Yes, Stargate Atlantis kinda sucks. But speaking of cameras...Nikon D-200 bodies are in stock at the two stores in my area. >If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to >buy CANON..........any comments????? I use my D-200 almost every day. Usually with the 18-200 VR lens. You don't have yours yet? Maybe Nikon is discriminating against Canadians? Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms). > If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to > buy CANON..........any comments????? They do seem to have some kind of production or distribution problem. I was able to find one at Best Buy locally (actually at least 4) when I couldn't find one at any local camera store or either of the big online stores I trust. SignatureDavid Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/> RKBA: <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/> Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/> Comments? Yes, I'd probably buy the 30D anyway. I like the image quality better than the D200. > If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to > buy CANON..........any comments????? I got so fed up waiting for it I went to Canon in 1992. I guess that was the best move I ever made since Nikon still doesn't seem to have their act together on the D200 after 14 years! Signaturehttp://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html > If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to > buy CANON..........any comments????? > I got so fed up waiting for it I went to Canon in 1992. I guess that was >the best move I ever made since Nikon still doesn't seem to have their act >together on the D200 after 14 years! Not that they don't have their act together, but that the initial demand for the D200 is much, much greater than it is for the Canon. So hard to ramp up a production line for an initial spurt, which won't last after the initial demand has been filled. Face it. Nikon has a much better name when it comes to high end cameras, and it sells far more. Maybe not as good a camera, but they command more attention. Don <www.donwiss.com/pictures/> (e-mail link at page bottoms). >> I got so fed up waiting for it I went to Canon in 1992. I guess that was >> the best move I ever made since Nikon still doesn't seem to have their act [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it comes to high end cameras, and it sells far more. Maybe not as good a > camera, but they command more attention. Can you supply actual figures to prove your assertions? SignatureJohn McWilliams >> Not that they don't have their act together, but that the initial demand >> for the D200 is much, much greater than it is for the Canon. Exactly. See below. >> So hard to >> ramp up a production line for an initial spurt, which won't last after >> the >> initial demand has been filled. Well, yes. But as top of the low-end Nikon line, I expect it'll have solid sales for a long time, just not at the initial levels. >>Face it. Nikon has a much better name when >> it comes to high end cameras, and it sells far more. Maybe not as good a >> camera, but they command more attention. > > Can you supply actual figures to prove your assertions? Since Nikon had been limping along on 6MP cameras, it's quite logical that there was a lot of pent up demand, and (at least in the Japanese market, for which I have seen some figures) sales have been excellent. And there's a lot of folks with a lot of Nikon glass out there from the film days. The Canon 30D, on the other hand is a minor tweak. No one with a current low-end Canon dSLR would see a difference with a 30D, but everyone with a current low-end Nikon dSLR is at least interested in the D200. Of course, the bit about high-end cameras is way off; Canon's been killing Nikon in that area for years. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan > Since Nikon had been limping along on 6MP cameras, it's quite logical that > there was a lot of pent up demand, and (at least in the Japanese market, for > which I have seen some figures) sales have been excellent. And there's a lot > of folks with a lot of Nikon glass out there from the film days. I saw my first D200 today on my son's school field trip. No, not one of the eight year-old kids, but one of the chaperone's who's a professional photographer, and had been chomping at the bit for more than a year to replace her D70. I nervously watched as she let each of the kids in her little group take a turn using the D200. I'd be far too nervous to do that with even my lowly 20D. > Of course, the bit about high-end cameras is way off; Canon's been killing > Nikon in that area for years. Nikon has yet to introduce a high-end professional digital SLR, though reportedly they're feverishly working on full-frame models to compete against the Canon 1Ds and 5D. >> Of course, the bit about high-end cameras is way off; Canon's been >> killing Nikon in that area for years. > > Nikon has yet to introduce a high-end professional digital SLR, though > reportedly they're feverishly working on full-frame models to compete > against the Canon 1Ds and 5D. D1x, D2x, DnH, and all the Kodak Nikon-mount cameras. Lots of high-end pro dSLRs in the Nikon camp. None compete with either the 1Dmk2 or 1Dsmk2, though. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan >>> Of course, the bit about high-end cameras is way off; Canon's been >>> killing Nikon in that area for years. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > D1x, D2x, DnH, and all the Kodak Nikon-mount cameras. Lots of high-end pro > dSLRs in the Nikon camp. These are all professional models, but not "high-end" professional models like the Canon 1D/1Ds Mark II. > None compete with either the 1Dmk2 or 1Dsmk2, > though. That's what I was trying to say! >>> Not that they don't have their act together, but that the initial demand >>> for the D200 is much, much greater than it is for the Canon. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > which I have seen some figures) sales have been excellent. And there's a lot > of folks with a lot of Nikon glass out there from the film days. I'm with you (and presumably Don) about the logic, but when someone asserts that X sales beats Y sales, we need a basis other than logic, hope or reason. Don? SignatureJohn McWilliams > I got so fed up waiting for it I went to Canon in 1992. I guess that was >the best move I ever made since Nikon still doesn't seem to have their act >together on the D200 after 14 years! Sheesh...I hope this isn't troll bait. there are many things about Nikon I like a lot better than Canon, even though I shoot with Canon gear. My friend has a D70s which I've used on several occasions, and I like how it works. I like Nikon gear enough to say that I recommend newbies get the Nikon D50 or D70s with the 18-70mm kit lense over the Canon XT or 20D with 18-55mm. And something I've learned is that Nikon cameras are generally faster and easier to adjust their settings when shooting. But they take a bit longer to learn where all the switches are and how to use them. Both Canon and Nikon have their quirks, but that's far from saying that Nikon doesn't have their act together. >> I got so fed up waiting for it I went to Canon in 1992. I guess that was >> the best move I ever made since Nikon still doesn't seem to have their act [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > D50 or D70s with the 18-70mm kit lense over the Canon XT or 20D with > 18-55mm. Too bad there is no D50 kit with the 18-70mm kit lens, but if there was one, I'd agree that it'd be a better choice than the Rebel XT with the kit lens. The 20D with the 17-85 IS lens is the ideal choice. It would be nice if Canon made a non-IS version of the 17-85mm lens to match the Nikon price points of the D70 kit with the 18-70mm lens. >> there are many things about Nikon I like a lot better than Canon, even >> though I shoot with Canon gear. My friend has a D70s which I've used on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >one, I'd agree that it'd be a better choice than the Rebel XT with the >kit lens. While there is no "kit" with the 18-70mm, the cost of buying them at the same time from a dealer is basically the same as it would be in a kit, if you make them understand you want to buy them together. Most dealers will let you negotiate a package price. >The 20D with the 17-85 IS lens is the ideal choice. I keep seeing this posted, but after using the 17-85 IS and comparing it to Nikon's 18-70, the Canon lense disappoints for optical quality. I don't think the 17-85 is worth the price at all. Here in Canada the Canon 17-85 retails for $800 and sells for about $700. While the Nikon 18-70 retails for $470 and sells for about $400. That's almost half the price and it produces better images (sharpness, contrast) at all equivalent focal lengths and aperture settings down to about f/11 at the wide end, and f/8 at the long end. While Canon makes some nice lenses at reasonable prices, the 17-85 is not one of them. It has IS, which is a definite plus, but it's not worth $400 extra to me. Perhaps for a compromise and if you don't intend to buy any other lenses, it would be ok, but still pricey. I have the 17-40 f/4 L and 70-200 f/4 L so I know a sharp lense from a mediocre one. I'll also mention that I'm not a pro, but I'm not blinded by marketing either. :-) > It would be nice if >Canon made a non-IS version of the 17-85mm lens to match the Nikon price >points of the D70 kit with the 18-70mm lens. I agree. Perhaps such a lense would have better optics too since it wouldn't have the IS complicating things. That range is a great walk around lense. Tons on Ebay in various configurations. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D200-Digital-SLR-Camera-18-70mm-4GB-Kit-NEW-USA_W0QQit emZ7611822817QQcategoryZ43456QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem A reliable seller from who I've bought thousands of $$ of Nikon goodies. SignatureJimmy Santee, CA / Lake Oswego, OR Nikon D200, > Tons on Ebay in various configurations. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D200-Digital-SLR-Camera-18-70mm-4GB-Kit-NEW-USA_W0QQit emZ7611822817QQcategoryZ43456QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > A reliable seller from who I've bought thousands of $$ of Nikon goodies. Cameta is reliable, and they have a storefront a few miles from my home. >If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to >buy CANON..........any comments????? What's the problem? Body only: http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Nikon_D200_SLR_Digital_Camera_Body_Only,__1332136 9/search=nikon+d200 Kit: http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Nikon_D200_SLR_Digital_Camera_w_18_70mm_AF_S_IF_E D_Nikkor_Lens,__15228649/search=nikon+d200 -- Ed Ruf Lifetime AMA# 344007 (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://EdwardGRuf.com > If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to > buy CANON..........any comments????? I did. And sent the Canon back. 'Twas rubbish. Ritz Camera on-line had some in stock, check it out and thank me later! >> If they don't start to ship some of these models soon people are going to >> buy CANON..........any comments????? > > I did. And sent the Canon back. 'Twas rubbish. |
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