I am interested to know if any other photographers agree that images
should be sold on CD or DVD not simply given away as some after
thought.
I have come across a few fellow professionals that give away a CD of
jpegs after a commercial shoot. Quite a few people i have spoken to
agree that this practise is wrong.
Before digital would you have given away the negatives free? Probably
not.
So why give jpegs away. Although digital the images still have to be
properly colour balanced, profiled, and cropped. You may even need to
simulate cross processing, pull or pulling techniques. Make them black
and white (not just grayscale). Prints used to be treated just as
digital images do today. This is work, surely those giving away jpegs
for nothing are confusing the market?
I have been questioned as to why i am charging when another
photographer is not. This can impact on me getting the work based on
the cost of a CD and not my skills? Would these photographers give
away A4 prints free aswell?
Getty charge £99 for a small web image, and upto £300 for a print
one.
I would be interested to hear comments on this.
Bill Funk - 26 Feb 2006 16:09 GMT
>I am interested to know if any other photographers agree that images
>should be sold on CD or DVD not simply given away as some after
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>I would be interested to hear comments on this.
I'm not a pro, and don't sell my images, but...
Aren't there contracts involved here?
Without knowing the terms of the contracts, how can you comment on why
or for how much those CDs of images cost the buyer?
When you say, "give away", do you actually know that? What do you mean
when you say, "I have been questioned as to why i am charging when
another photographer is not."? Is that other photographer really
giving away his work? Or did the client pay him for it?
You're asking questions that seem to indicate that you're making a lot
of assumptions.

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yellow - 27 Feb 2006 17:31 GMT
Yes i by your repsonse you are not a pro.
Yes i do know that they were given away free, and that yes i was ask
why i do not.
I am not interested in what you think are assumptions and just place an
opinion on whether it is right to give away the images free or is it
damaging to those that don't. Would you give a print away to someone
for free? (excluding family friends or the person being photographed)
unfortunately this was the type of response i hoped i would not get.
These are questions based on my experience and knowledge, where are the
assumptions. Not a helpful response really.
> >I am interested to know if any other photographers agree that images
> >should be sold on CD or DVD not simply given away as some after
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> of assumptions.
Bill Funk - 27 Feb 2006 20:30 GMT
>Yes i by your repsonse you are not a pro.
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>damaging to those that don't. Would you give a print away to someone
>for free? (excluding family friends or the person being photographed)
I don't see why someone can't give their images away for free.
Is this damaging to someone else?
There aren't many buggy-whip makers left. There's an industry that was
pretty much wiped out by the auto. That was damaging, to them.
>unfortunately this was the type of response i hoped i would not get.
What response did you hope to get? That someone who gives his images
away for free is a bad person, or is engaging in unfair practices?
>These are questions based on my experience and knowledge, where are the
>assumptions. Not a helpful response really.
Again, what type of a response were you hoping for? That, indeed,
images *should* be sold? If you want to sell your images, do so. If
someone else wants to give his away, is that supposed to be stopped
somehow?
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>> of assumptions.

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rafe b - 27 Feb 2006 21:27 GMT
>So why give jpegs away. Although digital the images still have to be
>properly colour balanced, profiled, and cropped. You may even need to
>simulate cross processing, pull or pulling techniques. Make them black
>and white (not just grayscale). Prints used to be treated just as
>digital images do today. This is work, surely those giving away jpegs
>for nothing are confusing the market?
Is there something immoral, in your view, about giving
stuff away for free?
I think Jesus did a lot of that, at least that's how the
story goes. Or was that just the "liberal" version of
the story?
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
ASAAR - 27 Feb 2006 21:18 GMT
> I am interested to know if any other photographers agree that images
> should be sold on CD or DVD not simply given away as some after
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> jpegs after a commercial shoot. Quite a few people i have spoken to
> agree that this practise is wrong.
More information about the jpegs might help explain (or not). How
long was the shoot and how many images were shot? If the number was
very large, they might have had to have been processed (greater
compression and/or reduced resolution) to fit them on a single CD.
Then they wouldn't be the highest quality, and of lesser value,
somewhat like "proof" prints, although for different reasons.
This CD, unlike those sold commercially, entailed virtually no
extra work, and as its contents came from a single shoot, the
photographer's effort was minimal, not taking up months or years to
accumulate salable shots. If the photographer gives away CDs of
*all* of his/her shoots that's one thing, but I suspect that this
was an exception. It that sense it might be used as a form of
advertising, getting the name out and possibly generating future
sales. Also, unlike a commercial product having maybe a dozen or
two of excellent shots, this CD might have contained a motley bunch
of several hundred images, some good, most mediocre, and lots of
near duplication. If the contents were to be later examined for use
in a commercial product, maybe 3 or 4 of the hundreds would be
selected.
> I have been questioned as to why i am charging when another
> photographer is not. This can impact on me getting the work based on
> the cost of a CD and not my skills? Would these photographers give
> away A4 prints free aswell?
The amount of time, energy and expense that you put into each
image you offer for sale is probably far higher. The cost of a CD
is irrelevant and shouldn't be used to set prices. Mine only cost
about 15 cents each. The packaging alone is worth more. If anyone
tries to reduce your rates based on the low media cost, either
reduce your price by 15 cents and tell them that they're not being
charged for the raw materials, or ask them why they can't buy
commercial music CDs in stores for 15 cents. Supply and demand
works here too. Sell only 5 copies of each image and the cost will
be far higher than if you intend to sell thousands of each. Did the
other photographer give away 5 CDs or perhaps hundreds or more?
What he/she does should have no bearing on what you charge. There
are too many other variables that differentiate what the two of you
offer.
A4 prints cost far more, so if any are given away, they're more
likely to be closer to snapshot size, with perhaps an ad printed
across the bottom. :)
Blink - 28 Feb 2006 19:26 GMT
>I am interested to know if any other photographers agree that images
>should be sold on CD or DVD not simply given away as some after
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>I would be interested to hear comments on this.
my opinion:
If an artist wants to give away his work he is completely free to do
so. Of course if I give away my couch, I'm hurting someone who sells
couches. I've given away litho's, prints, negatives, slides many
times.
If you can take a better shot than me, then people will buy yours
rather than take mine for free, if they appreciate art anyway.
I have a few prints that sell 2 or 3 a week, plus the 30 or 40 I have
in storage that I give away regularly to people I meet.
I'm not producing other peoples work and giving it away so I'm really
not hurting anyone but me financially. I'd love to be able to afford
to give away all my prints, that would be a great legacy.
(in my opinion anyway)