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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / January 2007Should I fire this guy because he bought his degree from the internet?
Hey guys, I posted this on another board and the verdict I got was to fire him. Since I've been lurking here for a while I thought I'd post it here for some more advice. A couple years ago I hired a guy named Thomas as a senior tech for a small data center I run in California. He always seemed like a pretty competent worker. Thomas had great personal skills, came into work on-time, and pretty much completed projects better than any of the other techs in our facility. He seemed like a pretty intelligent guy, actually. On occasion I've even had dinner with his wife and young daughter who's going through chemo. I generally consider Thomas a friend. The other day I invited him to my house to hang out and have a few drinks. At one point in the evening we were shooting the sh.t and talking about the worst things we've ever done in our lives. I regaled him with a tale about how I stole expensive clothes from department stores as a teenager and he told me about how he once sent explicit pictures of his cheating ex-girlfriend sodomizing a toothbrush to her parents. I laughed and passed him another drink. I guess he was getting a little too tipsy because a little later he related a story about how he got his college degree in philosophy. We don't require college degrees, but we generally hire and give greater pay to candidates with the degree over the candidate without one. Thomas said that he bought it off the internet for $450 from some website called "The Transnational Council" for something something. He wrote the domain http://www.tcge.org on a napkin and said that he had listed the degree he got through them on the resume he sent my secretary two years ago. I've heard this website discussed on some other message boards before. Apparently they represent universities who grant degrees based on previous college credits, work history, and military/life experience. Now I don't know what to do. Company policy is to terminate people who lie on their resumes, but he doesn't seem like that bad of a guy. The website he got his degree from looks like what they're doing is pretty unethical since there's no coursework involved. But I guess the degree is technically legal. Should I fire him because he bought his degree from the internet instead of attending a regular university? What he did was pretty crooked. I think I'll decide to go ahead and fire him over this. If you were his employer what would you do? Please go f.ck yourself. > Please go f.ck yourself. How come you didn't say "please" to me?  SignatureIt Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net Should we care because you are an idiot? If you hired him without checking his resume you deserve whatever you get. Aholes like you are the reason why 4 out of 5 businesses go under quite rapidly and you are so stupid you'll never figure out why. Signaturehttp://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html > Hey guys, I posted this on another board and the verdict I got was to > fire him. Since I've been lurking here for a while I thought I'd post [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > What he did was pretty crooked. I think I'll decide to go ahead and > fire him over this. If you were his employer what would you do? > Should we care because you are an idiot? If you hired him without checking > his resume you deserve whatever you get. Aholes like you are the reason why > 4 out of 5 businesses go under quite rapidly and you are so stupid you'll > never figure out why. The person is a spammer, that's why there's that url in the middle. (I didn't click on it.) >> Should we care because you are an idiot? If you hired him without checking >> his resume you deserve whatever you get. Aholes like you are the reason why >> 4 out of 5 businesses go under quite rapidly and you are so stupid you'll >> never figure out why. >The person is a spammer, that's why there's that url in the middle. >(I didn't click on it.) Of course. If he was serious he'd be talking to a lawyer not a bunch of wild and crazy photography nuts some with hangups about plastic.... ;-) ----- Paul J. Gans > Should we care because you are an idiot? If you hired him without > checking his resume you deserve whatever you get. Aholes like you are > the reason why 4 out of 5 businesses go under quite rapidly and you > are so stupid you'll never figure out why. I think this was merely spam, Tony...trying to get people to click on the included link. It's actually a rather creative approach, since it's very indirect. Spam, nonetheless... >> Hey guys, I posted this on another board and the verdict I got was to >> fire him. Since I've been lurking here for a while I thought I'd post [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> explicit pictures of his cheating ex-girlfriend sodomizing a >> toothbrush to her parents. I laughed and passed him another drink. >Should we care because you are an idiot? If you hired him without checking >his resume you deserve whatever you get. Aholes like you are the reason why >4 out of 5 businesses go under quite rapidly and you are so stupid you'll >never figure out why. While I agree this ounds like a SPAM post, there are many major colleges hat give credirs for military experience. I went through a major university, and after 17 years in the military (I did do the other 3 and retire) I only had to do 9 courses for my associates. They give credits for the schools done in the military, which are a lot harder then regular courses are in college, due to the technical level they get into. But then there are also schools that get no credits, due to the classification level. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Should we care because you are an idiot? If you hired him without checking > >his resume you deserve whatever you get. Aholes like you are the reason why [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > they get into. But then there are also schools that get no credits, > due to the classification level. Uhm, any particular reason why you are replying to a 11-month old post? :^) SignatureYou need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Uhm, any particular reason why you are replying to a 11-month old post? > :^) Hello, Ken: That's not the only ancient article that "nascar20fan@nascar.com" has dug up, lately, either. His news browser needs to "catch up," it seems. <g> Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> <snippage of much irrelvant stuff, something many posters need to learn> > > Uhm, any particular reason why you are replying to a 11-month old post? > > :^) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > has dug up, lately, either. His news browser needs to "catch up," > it seems. <g> Yeah, I saw that. I was hoping a single nudge might teach him to look at the dates of stuff before just hitting "Reply". Sometimes it's not the browser, though - some weird things can happen to newsspools on the server, it dishing up old articles that have long expired as if they were new if another server offers it to it after it's expired locally. I've seen it happen on my own news servers back when I was admining one. Heh. I always look at the date (original, and any quotes), the newsgroups (to see if they need trimming, too), and I also usually try to read several replies into the thread to see if the answer I'm about to give has already been given, so as to not repeat the same thing that three or four others have already written. Guess some of that comes from habit of being online back when a 300 baud Hayes Smartcom modem over a dialup phone line [with LD charges racking up by the full minute] were standard. I found this cute site that I could relate to a while back: http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2002/05/31/back_in_the_day/index. html SignatureYou need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard <edited, foe brevity> > Heh. I always look at the date (original, and any quotes), the > newsgroups (to see if they need trimming, too), and I also usually try [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2002/05/31/back_in_the_day/index. > html <edited> Hello, Ken: I first "connected," in January of 1996, using the "Prodigy" free-trial software that had come installed on my original PC (a Pionex 486DX2 66MHz). The computer's generic modem was only 2400kbps, but I replaced it with a Cardinal MVP144 (14.4kbps), within a couple of months; it was one of several such upgrades, intended to improve my online speed. Soon, I would discover various BBSes (bulletin board systems) and inadvertently rack up some hefty long-distance phone charges. In February of '96, I stumbled upon my current ISP (Concentric). Since then, I've received unlimited Internet access for $19.95 USD a month, and have been extremely satisfied with its dial-up service, overall. Cardinal and Pionex both folded (in '99 and '00, respectively), alas. Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> > <edited, foe brevity> > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Cordially, > John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> Aren't you about ready to move up to broadband? It lends a whole new meaning to 'connected'. If you can, give it a try. <edited, for brevity> > > I first "connected," in January of 1996, using the "Prodigy" free-trial > > software that had come installed on my original PC (a Pionex 486DX2 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Aren't you about ready to move up to broadband? It lends a whole new > meaning to 'connected'. If you can, give it a try. Hello, Ron: I'm "ready," certainly; "willing," there's no doubt; it's the "able" part, that's still hanging me up. :-P Honestly, if broadband ever approaches the price of dial-up, I'll probably give it a go. Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> > <edited, for brevity> > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Cordially, > John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> There are some options that come close. The local cable provider (Charter) offers a $29.95 (regular price) connection that is 384kbpz/128kbps. It also offers this package for $19.95 for the first three months. As always, cable is month-to-month, so if you don't like (or can afford) it, you can cancel. WARNING once you use broadband internet, you will probably never want to use dialup again! With the always on connection, the internet becomes a quick, immediate, way to get information. I can watch 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire', and get answers from Google before the contestant comes up with an answer. Try that on dialup. <edited, for brevity> > >> Aren't you about ready to move up to broadband? It lends a whole new > >> meaning to 'connected'. If you can, give it a try. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > and get answers from Google before the contestant comes up with an > answer. Try that on dialup. Hello, Ron: Oh, I've seen those types of offers, from Cox cable, here. I simply don't like the idea they'll raise their subscription rates, after so many months of service. Obviously, Concentric won't do that, because dial-up's only present advantage over broadband, is its significantly lower cost. Plus, I'm reluctant to change my e-mail address, which I'd be forced to do, if I switched ISP's. Hence, Concentric may be excruciatingly slow, but it's cheap and reliable, which isn't a bad combination, at that. <g> Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> > <edited, for brevity> > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Cordially, > John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> If cost is the main concern, then dialup is very attractive. However, if you can afford $10 more a month, then even the lowest tier of service available here (384kbps/128kbps) is a vastly better deal on a per byte basis, and being connected all the time makes the internet an 'information appliance', which is one of the main uses I make of it. >Obviously, Concentric won't do that, because dial-up's only present >advantage over broadband, is its significantly lower cost. Plus, I'm >reluctant to change my e-mail address, which I'd be forced to do, if I >switched ISP's. The email thing is easily fixed, with a one-time change: get your own domain, and for as little as $60/year or less, have the domain hosted. You'll have your own email you can keep forever, no matter who your ISP is. As for ther $60/year, most spend that much on their coffee (err, laté) and/or drinks each month. Not to mention those who smoke. SignatureBill Funk replace "g" with "a" > >Obviously, Concentric won't do that, because dial-up's only present > >advantage over broadband, is its significantly lower cost. Plus, I'm [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Bill Funk > replace "g" with "a" Hello, Bill: Don't drink or smoke. I do enjoy coffee, about once a week...and even then, nothing fancy. Colombian, all the way, baby! :-J Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> > > >Obviously, Concentric won't do that, because dial-up's only present > > >advantage over broadband, is its significantly lower cost. Plus, I'm [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Colombian, all the way, baby! :-J Good grief! I drink, smoke, inhale that stuff Bill Clinton denied taking. Don't you have any vices at all? <edited, for brevity> > > Don't drink or smoke. I do enjoy coffee, about once a week...and even > > then, nothing fancy. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Good grief! I drink, smoke, inhale that stuff Bill Clinton denied > taking. Hello, Stewy: I've never tried weed, personally. > Don't you have any vices at all? Why, of course, I do; Coca-Cola and Kodak, are my demons! <G> Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> > <edited, for brevity> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cordially, > John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> I have lots. Dr. Pepper (only 1/day these days though), chocolate chip cookies, reading, and, posting to newsgroups.... But you all knew that. > > <edited, for brevity> > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I have lots. Dr. Pepper (only 1/day these days though), chocolate chip > cookies, reading, and, posting to newsgroups.... But you all knew that. Dr Pepper and Coca Cola are OFF the menu since I reached 100kg, besides the demon weed lasts longer. Won't you still be a brainless turkey? >>Should we care because you are an idiot? If you hired him without checking >>his resume you deserve whatever you get. Aholes like you are the reason [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they get into. But then there are also schools that get no credits, > due to the classification level. >Hey guys, I posted this on another board and the verdict I got was to >fire him. Since I've been lurking here for a while I thought I'd post [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >What he did was pretty crooked. I think I'll decide to go ahead and >fire him over this. If you were his employer what would you do? If you fire him then you should fire yourself for not checking his references when you were considering hiring him and for firing a good worker because of your screwup. SignatureRay Fischer rfischer@sonic.net > explicit pictures of his cheating ex-girlfriend sodomizing a toothbrush How can a girl sodomise anything? Only you boys can sodomise. In your case, it's probably yourself. > wrote the domain http://www.shite.org on a napkin and said that he had Ah, we get to the point - this is spam isn't it? Not necessisarily. There are some schools that can offer legitimate degrees by this method. Lots of military people use them since they are seldom in one place long enough to go to just one university. They give credit for military courses, CLEP exams, etc. Regents College of the University of New York is one such. He may not have lied. He says he has a degree and he does. If it was important to you then you could have checked to see if it was a accredited and with whom it was accredited. SignatureThanks, Gene Palmiter (visit my photo gallery at http://palmiter.dotphoto.com) freebridge design group > Hey guys, I posted this on another board and the verdict I got was to > fire him. Since I've been lurking here for a while I thought I'd post [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > What he did was pretty crooked. I think I'll decide to go ahead and > fire him over this. If you were his employer what would you do? > Not necessisarily. There are some schools that can offer legitimate > degrees by this method. Lots of military people use them since they are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > important to you then you could have checked to see if it was a accredited > and with whom it was accredited. Hey Gene You are writing to a spammer who is targeting over 10 newsgroups with this message (and of course you are copying his entire message and website address) Do you really think he is going to care what you think, or even know that you have replied? If I wanted to communicate with just one person I would email. Someone may learn something from the thread and from what we each can offer....even what you offer. SignatureThanks, Gene Palmiter (visit my photo gallery at http://palmiter.dotphoto.com) freebridge design group >> Not necessisarily. There are some schools that can offer legitimate >> degrees by this method. Lots of military people use them since they are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > address) Do you really think he is going to care what you think, or even > know that you have replied? > What he did was pretty crooked. I think I'll decide to go ahead and > fire him over this. If you were his employer what would you do? Promote him and double his pay. Can I get a degree in Divinity and make millions from suckers from that same "university"? |
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