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DonicTT - 30 Dec 2005 01:58 GMT
I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start? Is this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?
Joseph Meehan - 30 Dec 2005 03:08 GMT
> I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to
> start? Is this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?

   The current version of Elements is 4.0  Version 2.0 is kind of old.

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Ron Hunter - 30 Dec 2005 03:33 GMT
> I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start?
> Is this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?
Considering you can find version 4 for about $50, I don't think that is
a good deal.  Go for the current version, you will be glad you did.
DonicTT - 30 Dec 2005 10:35 GMT
I couldn't find Elements 4 for less than $89.95

>> I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start?
>> Is this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?
> Considering you can find version 4 for about $50, I don't think that is a
> good deal.  Go for the current version, you will be glad you did.
Ron Hunter - 30 Dec 2005 17:14 GMT
> I couldn't find Elements 4 for less than $89.95
>
>>> I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start?
>>> Is this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?
>> Considering you can find version 4 for about $50, I don't think that is a
>> good deal.  Go for the current version, you will be glad you did.

Depends on where you live, I guess.  I believe Sam's Club has it cheaper.
JunkMonkey - 31 Dec 2005 15:44 GMT
www.Softwareoutlet.com cost? $55  It's an OEM version and comes with a
cheapo digital camera to get around Adobe's OEM marketing rules.

> I couldn't find Elements 4 for less than $89.95
>
> >> I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start?
> >> Is this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?
> > Considering you can find version 4 for about $50, I don't think that is a
> > good deal.  Go for the current version, you will be glad you did.
lasagneman@hotmail.com - 30 Dec 2005 04:29 GMT
Dowload a program call The Gimp. You can get it from
http://www.gimp.org. It does everything the full blown version of
Photoshop does and it's 100% free!
Ron Hunter - 30 Dec 2005 09:01 GMT
> Dowload a program call The Gimp. You can get it from
> http://www.gimp.org. It does everything the full blown version of
> Photoshop does and it's 100% free!

Very capable program with a terrible user interface, and a learning
curve similar to Mt. Everest!
DonicTT - 30 Dec 2005 10:49 GMT
Funny, I read somewhere that a person used E2 because it was less clutterred
and more user friendly. He/she said that E3 and E4 were too busy, and that
E2 was much easier to use.
Now I am really confused.
Is there really that much of a difference between 2, 3 and 4???

>> Dowload a program call The Gimp. You can get it from
>> http://www.gimp.org. It does everything the full blown version of
>> Photoshop does and it's 100% free!
>>
> Very capable program with a terrible user interface, and a learning curve
> similar to Mt. Everest!
Pete Fenelon - 30 Dec 2005 14:05 GMT
> Funny, I read somewhere that a person used E2 because it was less clutterred
> and more user friendly. He/she said that E3 and E4 were too busy, and that

I certainly preferred the Elements 2 user interface to the Elements 3
one, but Elements 3 added sufficient extra features to make the bulk (it
loads *slowly*) and cluttered interface worth putting up with.

2, 3 and 4 all seem to be essentially the same 'engine' with different
features exposed in different ways.

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Bill Funk - 30 Dec 2005 15:48 GMT
>Funny, I read somewhere that a person used E2 because it was less clutterred
>and more user friendly. He/she said that E3 and E4 were too busy, and that
>E2 was much easier to use.
>Now I am really confused.
>Is there really that much of a difference between 2, 3 and 4???

The comment was made about Gimp, not Elements.

>>> Dowload a program call The Gimp. You can get it from
>>> http://www.gimp.org. It does everything the full blown version of
>>> Photoshop does and it's 100% free!
>>>
>> Very capable program with a terrible user interface, and a learning curve
>> similar to Mt. Everest!

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Ron Hunter - 30 Dec 2005 17:15 GMT
> Funny, I read somewhere that a person used E2 because it was less clutterred
> and more user friendly. He/she said that E3 and E4 were too busy, and that
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>> Very capable program with a terrible user interface, and a learning curve
>> similar to Mt. Everest!

I have 2 and 3, but didn't see enough difference in 3 and 4 to upgrade.
 I haven't loaded PSE2 since getting 3 as it is markedly more powerful.
mirhe - 30 Dec 2005 10:59 GMT
I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start? Is
this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?

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RK - 30 Dec 2005 11:53 GMT
I've used versions 1,2 and 3 and, frankly could live happily with any
of them. They all have features well beyond what most of us need,
particularly for post-processing images from our cameras. What I do not
like about 3.0 is that it is a very heavy program, laden with
organizer, etc. that can really grab memory and disc space. I've done
my best to disable things I don't want. Even on my memory and processor
rich systems it is pretty heavy and slow to load. .

So, my short answer is for you to look carefully at each version to
make a determination of what it is you want to do with your images. But
for basic editing, becoming familiar with how the product line works,
etc. I think 2.0 for twenty bucks is just fine.
per - 30 Dec 2005 12:13 GMT
I'm using Elements 2, and the free www.Imagenomic.com  Noiseware Community
Edition if I need noise reduction.
They together have all the features I need.
The start up of Elements 2 is not rapid, it's like starting the latest Adobe
Reader,  and if the newer versions are more cluttered and slower still, I
don't know. $20 is no big deal either.
The pro Adobe software (CS) have color separation facilities for pro
printers, that the pros need and therefore have to spend the big dollars on,
while we amateurs and enthusiasts don't need that, and can save our money
for better purposes.
One important thing to know is that all Adobe photo editing software use the
same (patented) computing algoritms for resampling the images.
Other photo editing software brands may not always give such good results.
Ytraining and knowlegde is the key to success with any software.
Try to learn how to use the histogram an the level tool and go from there.
There are some step by step tutorials on the net.
/per
peter - 30 Dec 2005 14:37 GMT
I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start? Is
this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?

Photoshop elements are bundled with many products like cameras, scanners,
computers, etc. I once gave one such CD to a friend because I already have
photoshop. Because of this reason, I would never buy elements software -- I
feel I'm paying for something that I could get for free.

And if you look on ebay, many sellers are selling elements2 for around $18
(plus shipping). Those that do not state it is a retail box software are
probably selling just a CD, the kind that is bundled. Don't buy from sellers
that is not straight forward up front.

IMO, the cheapest way to learn is to download a free trial version of
version 4 from adobe. It would probably expire in 30 days or have the "save"
disabled.

Corel also have free trial for photo paint. It is similar to photoshop
elements.
Dave Cohen - 30 Dec 2005 17:00 GMT
> I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start? Is
> this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?
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> Corel also have free trial for photo paint. It is similar to photoshop
> elements.

Same could be said for much other software, I got what I consider a great
package with my dvd burner (external). Even included a dvd player and slide
show software as well as mastering and packet writing stuff.
Dave Cohen
JunkMonkey - 31 Dec 2005 15:54 GMT
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

You are confusing PhotoPaint with Paintshop Pro!  PhotoPaint is similar to
Elements the same way Photoshop CS is similar to Elements.  PhotoPaint is a
professional level editor and is currently the only viable competition to
PSCS, though PP is starting to show its age and desperately needs a new
version.

There is no free download of PhotoPaint.  It is a part of the Corel Graphics
Suite, if you want to try PP12 for free, you have to download the entire
free trial of CGS.  This is do-able if you aren't on dial-up but a challenge
if you are.

> I have a chance to buy Elements 2 for $20. Is it a good place to start? Is
> this a good, inexpensive way to learn Adobe PS Elements 2?
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> Corel also have free trial for photo paint. It is similar to photoshop
> elements.
 
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