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I hesitate to ask... Canon Rebel XT or Nikon D50
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Moi - 28 Dec 2005 23:12 GMT Hi!
While I've pretty much made up my mind on which camera to go with, and I've read pages upon pages on the internet, I still have niggling doubts.
One difference between the two that I have read about is how the images with the Canon Rebel XT tend to be softer than those with the Nikon D50. Excuse the newbie question here, but isn't that a matter of the lens rather than the camera itself?
While the Canon Rebel XT has more features that I want, the Nikon D50 felt so good in my hands. I couldn't believe the feel alone would sway me so much! It wasn't that the Rebel felt bad, but when compared side by side with the D50, I liked the solid feel of the Nikon much better.
Other differences that swayed me...I found both in commentaries and in image comparisons that the Canon had a truer colour representation than the Nikon; the Canon has a mirror lock-up; the Nikon has a spot meter; the Nikon ISO starts at 200, whereas the Canon starts at 100; and lastly, there is that difference in MP and accompanying software packages although these last two are not as critical for me as other features - desirable yes, but not a deal-breaker.
I would especially appreciate hearing from anyone with experience using both cameras, although I would like opinions from users of each camera as to why they love (or hate) their particular choice.
In the end I know the key things are personal likes and dislikes along with the user's abilities, but I guess I'm hoping for one statement that will help me make a definitive choice. I know I found that one statement when I was trying to determine if I should go for a slightly higher end choice (Canon 20D vs. Nikon D70) or a more affordable choice (Canon Rebel XT vs. Nikon D50).
Thanks to all with helpful responses!
Deb
Smudger - 28 Dec 2005 23:19 GMT > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Deb Deb - the Nikon is the better camera - better build, better quality for your money. With respect the softness of the images you'll find that most DSLRs will produce JPEG images softer than you'll be used to if you've used a consumer digicam. You can sharpen your images in quite sophisticated ways using Photoshop (lab sharpening is the best but it's a bit fiddly to do).
pixel_a_ted - 28 Dec 2005 23:32 GMT Each camera manufacturer also decides on the default level of softness for its images. This can usually be adjusted via camera menu as well as with imaging software.
I'm curious as to what that "one statement" was that made you decide on the XT/D50 rather than the 20D/D70.
Moi - 29 Dec 2005 05:59 GMT Hi pixel_a_ted!
To answer your question, I suppose what it boiled down to for me was cost. The 20D and D70 were a little more than I felt I could afford, but I was willing to do it if I could find evidence that either of these had a significant superiority to their less expensive counterparts. Then I read the following:
"If you're considering what camera to get (Nikon d70 or canon rebel XT) a word of advice that helped me tremendously is that don't think about what camera it is you're getting right now because you'll outgrow your camera and upgrade to something better that suits your needs in the future. these two cameras are entry level (granted, they could give a run for the money of their more expensive siblings) you should look at what you see yourself owning in terms of lenses, flashes and other accessories in the future. these camera bodies will come and go but the accessories are your investment."
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This statement made me realize the purpose I had behind getting an entry level digital SLR -- to learn about the art of photography and to learn about lighting using a format (digital) that would allow me to see instant results. I already have a film SLR (Minolta), but I don't know enough about photography to know if the shots I'm taking will yield a decent photograph. With digital you can at least have a good idea. For instance, a city skyline shot I took with my Minolta turned out entirely different than I had anticipated due in large part to the lighting. I shot it as dusk was approaching and I expected a much more vibrant shot than I ended up with, which was a darker, blurred picture. (I didn't have a tripod, but I did have a an object I was able to set the entire camera body on. I think I would have been better off doing a hand held shot because even though the camera was on a relatively flat surface, I likely moved the camera when I pressed the shutter.) With a digital post-view display image, I would have seen the problems before I left the site.
To make a long story short - why spend more when I'm still a novice? I got caught up in some of the features of the D70 and 20D, which I realized after reading this guy's comments. At my level of knowledge, I'd likely be better off spending the difference in cost on better lenses and extras, which I could then use with a future camera. It makes sense, don't you think? :)
Deb
> Each camera manufacturer also decides on the default level of softness > for its images. This can usually be adjusted via camera menu as well as > with imaging software. > > I'm curious as to what that "one statement" was that made you decide on > the XT/D50 rather than the 20D/D70. bj286@scn.org - 31 Dec 2005 06:19 GMT Canon's 50/1.4 is better than its 50/1.8, while Nikon's 50/1.8 is better than its 50/1.4.
Canon does not have 85/1.4. Its 85/1.2 is of course more expensive.
Pentax has more affordable 14/2.8 and 24/2.
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Floyd Davidson - 31 Dec 2005 07:55 GMT >Canon's 50/1.4 is better than its 50/1.8, while Nikon's 50/1.8 is >better than its 50/1.4. > >Canon does not have 85/1.4. Its 85/1.2 is of course more expensive. Might note that the Nikon 85mm f/1.8 lens is one of the best lenses ever made. It has a long history, and the current AF model is the best ever.
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Bruce Hoult - 29 Dec 2005 00:25 GMT > In the end I know the key things are personal likes and dislikes along > with the user's abilities, but I guess I'm hoping for one statement that > will help me make a definitive choice. I know I found that one statement > when I was trying to determine if I should go for a slightly higher end > choice (Canon 20D vs. Nikon D70) or a more affordable choice (Canon > Rebel XT vs. Nikon D50). When I was looking recently, it seemed that about 80% of the price difference between the D50 and the D70s could be explained by the better kit lens on the D70s.
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GTO - 29 Dec 2005 01:07 GMT If you have no expensive collection of Nikon glass, get the 350D. It offers more for less. If you need a camera that is better built, get the 20D or the D200. - What will be the next Canon, I wonder?
Gregor
> Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Deb Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 29 Dec 2005 02:11 GMT > If you have no expensive collection of Nikon glass, get the 350D. It > offers more for less. If you need a camera that is better built, get the > 20D or the D200. - What will be the next Canon, I wonder? How does the Rebel XT offer more for less? The 2MP advantage in the sensor is not as big a difference as some would think. The D50 is better built and costs less.
GTO - 29 Dec 2005 03:53 GMT The 350D supports better auto-focus, has a professional MLU and offers a battery grip for folks who want to shoot long sequences without the fear of running out of gas. The 350D has support for DSLR type memory cards (compact flash). (SD cards are for point&shoot digicams.) Last but not least, the 350D supports very low noise at ISO 100. The D50 does not. Today, the 350D is the best low-cost DSLR you can get.
Gregor
>> If you have no expensive collection of Nikon glass, get the 350D. It >> offers more for less. If you need a camera that is better built, get the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sensor is not as big a difference as some would think. The D50 is better > built and costs less. Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 29 Dec 2005 11:13 GMT > The 350D supports better auto-focus, has a professional MLU and offers a > battery grip for folks who want to shoot long sequences without the fear > of running out of gas. The 350D has support for DSLR type memory cards > (compact flash). (SD cards are for point&shoot digicams.) Last but not > least, the 350D supports very low noise at ISO 100. The D50 does not. > Today, the 350D is the best low-cost DSLR you can get. What this really means is that the 350D offers more for "more", not less. There are some areas in which the D50 has advantages over the 350D besides price.
Bill Funk - 29 Dec 2005 11:50 GMT >The 350D supports better auto-focus, has a professional MLU and offers a >battery grip for folks who want to shoot long sequences without the fear of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Gregor I think you're going a little overboard when you say, "The 350D has support for DSLR type memory cards (compact flash). (SD cards are for point&shoot digicams.)" Where did you get this from? CF and SD do the same thing, just using different form factors.
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Joan - 29 Dec 2005 12:25 GMT Plus one more thing: my Toshiba laptop has an SD reader and no CF reader. This may be because Toshiba invented the SD card.
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> I think you're going a little overboard when you say, "The 350D has > support for DSLR type memory cards (compact flash). (SD cards are for > point&shoot digicams.)" > Where did you get this from? CF and SD do the same thing, just using > different form factors. David J Taylor - 29 Dec 2005 12:35 GMT > Plus one more thing: my Toshiba laptop has an SD reader and no CF > reader. This may be because Toshiba invented the SD card. The same is true of my Acer laptop. I wish all my cameras used SD!
David
Skip M - 29 Dec 2005 15:25 GMT > Plus one more thing: my Toshiba laptop has an SD reader and no CF reader. > This may be because Toshiba invented the SD card. That's ok, my Sony Vaio laptop has a Memory Stick reader, but not a CF or SD card reader. I wonder why that is? ;-)
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Bill Funk - 29 Dec 2005 19:44 GMT >Plus one more thing: my Toshiba laptop has an SD reader and no CF reader. >This may be because Toshiba invented the SD card. My 'new' (about 1 year old) HP laptop has one of those "many in two" card reader setups, but no CF slot. We've figured it has to do with space considerations; a CF slot is as big as those two slots. So, I have a Cardbus CF adapter.
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ASAAR - 29 Dec 2005 21:00 GMT > My 'new' (about 1 year old) HP laptop has one of those "many in two" > card reader setups, but no CF slot. We've figured it has to do with > space considerations; a CF slot is as big as those two slots. > So, I have a Cardbus CF adapter. HP only puts CF slots in their "Pro" laptops. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Skip M - 29 Dec 2005 15:24 GMT >>The 350D supports better auto-focus, has a professional MLU and offers a >>battery grip for folks who want to shoot long sequences without the fear [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Where did you get this from? CF and SD do the same thing, just using > different form factors. One might also point out that the Canon 1D mkIIn uses both CF and SD cards, and there aren't many cameras more "professional" than that one...
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Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 29 Dec 2005 15:37 GMT > One might also point out that the Canon 1D mkIIn uses both CF and SD > cards, and there aren't many cameras more "professional" than that one... My wife's Fuji S7000 uses xD and CF cards. both can be inserted and when the xD card is full the camera writes to the CF card. Since it uses the "professional" type of CF memory then it must be a professional camera. Wow, all this time I just thought it was a very good prosumer camera.
U-Know-Who - 29 Dec 2005 03:53 GMT > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Deb Buy the camera that you like. Your questions are pointless. You have made up your mind. Sure, the XT has more capabilities, but if you like the feel of the Nikon, pull your wallet/purse out.
Moi - 29 Dec 2005 06:06 GMT Hi U-Know-Who,
Thanks for your response, but although you view my questions as pointless, for me they aren't because I like BOTH cameras. If I had money to fritter away I'd buy both. And between the Rebel XT and the D50, it's the D50 that is actually cheaper in price. Although I am leaning towards one, there is still enough doubt in my mind to wonder if I'm making the right decision. Many sites with comments about both cameras state that either way I can't lose, so I don't think it will be a disaster with either one, but right now I can't help feel very indecisive.
Deb
> Buy the camera that you like. Your questions are pointless. You have made up > your mind. Sure, the XT has more capabilities, but if you like the feel of > the Nikon, pull your wallet/purse out. Derek Fountain - 29 Dec 2005 10:45 GMT > Many sites with comments about both > cameras state that either way I can't lose, so I don't think it will be > a disaster with either one, but right now I can't help feel very > indecisive. You're worrying a little too much. Both are fine cameras and you've clearly done enough research to see that either will make you happy. You need something to swing it, and you have that: the Nikon felt right in your hands. That's a way bigger plus than any technical difference between two very similar and very capable cameras.
Go buy the Nikon, you won't be disappointed.
Bruce Graham - 30 Dec 2005 01:33 GMT > > Many sites with comments about both > > cameras state that either way I can't lose, so I don't think it will be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Go buy the Nikon, you won't be disappointed. The advice above and that from RoseW in another post is correct. Feel is important (and both of these cameras and systems will do your job well, once you learn the systems).
I have the Canon (the decision was a no-brainer for me because I already had 5 EF Canon lenses) and initially I disliked the small feel of the 350D. I quickly got used to it, but you should act on your *own* feelings. If you are still unsure, try both again and promptly buy the one you like, then spend your time learning it rather than worrying about which camera..
Mikko Harjula - 29 Dec 2005 12:32 GMT > think it will be a disaster with either one, but right now I can't help feel > very indecisive. You wisely said earlier that you go for an entry level body because the lenses are the real investment. So don't base your decision on features of the entry level body but the selection, price and quality of lenses you will want in the future.
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Bill Funk - 29 Dec 2005 11:52 GMT >> Hi! >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >your mind. Sure, the XT has more capabilities, but if you like the feel of >the Nikon, pull your wallet/purse out. I agree. If neither one has a feature set that, to you, makes one better than the other, then choose the one that just feels better. In this case, that means the Nikon.
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RoseW - 29 Dec 2005 05:29 GMT | Hi! | | While I've pretty much made up my mind on which camera to go with, and | I've read pages upon pages on the internet, I still have niggling doubts. | While the Canon Rebel XT has more features that I want, the Nikon D50 felt
| so good in my hands. | Thanks to all with helpful responses! | | Deb Of all your thoughts posted the line that stood out for me was 'While the Canon Rebel Xt has more features that I want, the Nikon D50 felt so good in my hands' If you are going to be using the camera frequently then each and every time will the observation come into your conscious thought as to how it feels? Previous to the Rebel Xt I picked up the model 300 and immediately the feel in my hands was not right and I put the camera down, walked away. I really wanted to get that range of camera. A year later the Rebel Xt came out and the moment I held it, the thing 'FIT' into my hands and it has been a fit ever since. So if the Nikon D50 felt like part of your hands then it will be used in an unconscious manner and you will likely use it up to its maximum. Fumbling around with a cumbersome object in your hand may forecast a 'dust collector'. Rose
Moi - 29 Dec 2005 06:44 GMT Hi Rose!
Thanks for your insight! It wasn't that the Canon felt wrong. In fact, when I picked it up I was excited about it because I was worried how it would feel after reading all of the negative comments on how light and small of a camera it is. All my worries were put to rest. But when I held the Nikon it just felt like a "real" camera to me in comparison to the Canon. I was really surprised that the feel of a camera could make such a difference.
What you said about this observation coming into my conscious thought as to how it feels is part of what concerns me if I get the XT.
I still remain undecided though. *sigh*
Deb
> Of all your thoughts posted the line that stood out for me was 'While > the Canon Rebel Xt has more features that I want, the Nikon D50 felt so [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 'dust collector'. > Rose bj286@scn.org - 29 Dec 2005 05:51 GMT Minolta 5D: Anti-Shake Pentax DS: TTL Flash Nikon D50: 1/500s X Sync Canon 350D: 8MP
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GTO - 29 Dec 2005 07:11 GMT You may add the MLU to the Canon 350D. A lot of people try to use their D50/D70 with available light for close-up photography and find themselves easily fighting the problem that their equipment "does not focus". Actually, it does focus. But what they see in their pictures is blur due to the mirror slap. It's amazing to see how many amateurs want to use their cameras for close-up photography without a flash. So, the available MLU is a great plus. One which the D50 and D70 lack. BTW, Nikon added it to "my upcoming" D200 ;-)
Gregor
> Minolta 5D: Anti-Shake > Pentax DS: TTL Flash > Nikon D50: 1/500s X Sync > Canon 350D: 8MP > > http://digitcamera.tripod.com/#slr Skip M - 29 Dec 2005 15:29 GMT > You may add the MLU to the Canon 350D. A lot of people try to use their > D50/D70 with available light for close-up photography and find themselves [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> http://digitcamera.tripod.com/#slr The only thing is, MLU is so buried in the menus/custom function labyrinth that few have the patience to burrow their way down to it. I know I don't, and I've been fiddling with Canon's MLU for years. I miss the simplicity of the old FD series cameras.
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Philip Homburg - 29 Dec 2005 17:07 GMT >You may add the MLU to the Canon 350D. A lot of people try to use their >D50/D70 with available light for close-up photography and find themselves [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >One which the D50 and D70 lack. BTW, Nikon added it to "my upcoming" D200 >;-) I wonder how much of this blur is due to the use of a cheap tripod or the lack of a remote shutter release.
It seems to me that you can usually close the aperture a bit more (or add a ND filter or block the light a bit, etc.) to reach shutter speeds of 1 second or more.
Making sure that the subject (for example a flower) doesn't move also tends to be a problem.
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per - 29 Dec 2005 11:29 GMT The D70s design is an older generation than the D50 or the 350, which shows in more noise at high ISO compared to the others. Mening that D50 is newer and better than the D70s, only lacking some features that you may or may not miss. The differences between lenses will be greater than the difference between the D50 or the 350. But, the cheap 18-55 kit lenses do not show the full potential of either. The Nikon 18-70 lens is the most cost effective way to get quality pics. Go for that one if you do not plan to spend big $ on pro Nikon or Canon L-lenses.
Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 29 Dec 2005 15:50 GMT > The D70s design is an older generation than the D50 or the 350, which > shows in more noise at high ISO compared to the others. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Go for that one if you do not plan to spend big $ on pro Nikon or Canon > L-lenses. There's also the third-party lenses, some of them being very good choices for less money than the camera manufacturer's counterparts. I bought my D50 without a lens and opted for a Tokina 28-70mm F2.8 ATX PRO lens for starters. It's very good, built like a tank, and I have no regrets from what I've seen thus far. I also have a Sigma DSLR and the Sigma EX lenses I use give excellent results - the 50mm EX, 105mm EX, and the 24-70mm EX. I haven't used any Tamron lenses but I'm willing to try a few with my D50.
k-man - 31 Dec 2005 06:57 GMT D50 "better" than the D70s? Define "better." Depends on the photographer's requirements.
I agree... the Nikon 18-70mm is a very nice lens for the money. Not very fast aperture-wise (though it's not terribly slow either), it's tack sharp and nice and contrasty.
I bought the D70s kit, which, at the time I bought it, was only $100 more than the D70s body alone. The 18-70mm for essentially $100 seemed like a steal.
For the XT, I've seen kits offered for only $20 more than what the same store asked for the body alone. For $20, take whatever lens comes with the camera and run with it. Could probably pull in more than $20 for it on eBay if you don't like it! :)
per - 31 Dec 2005 12:25 GMT > D50 "better" than the D70s? Define "better." Lower noise from the D50 than the D70s is probably the most important difference. /per
k-man - 31 Dec 2005 16:28 GMT Thanks. I agree. Particularly for higher ISO's. I myself shoot 200 90% of the time anyway. The D70s offers in-camera noise-reduction. Though, Nikon recommends using it for shots greater than 30 seconds exposure.
k-man - 30 Dec 2005 06:24 GMT Hi Deb:
I consider myself an amateur photographer. I shot with a Minolta 600si 35mm film camera for the last 7 years and moved to digital only a few months ago. Since then, I've shot a wedding with a Nikon D70s, a Baptism with a Nikon D50, a backyard party with a Canon 20D and some basic indoor shots with a Canon Rebel XT (while demonstrating photography 101 to a friend (who had just gotten the Rebel XT)).
In the end, photography is all about the pictures and the Nikon D70s, Nikon D50, Canon 20D and Canon Rebel XT all can take great pictures. Don't worry about how this camera's sharper or how that camera's got this kind of color. One thing I loved about my 600si was that I turned it on, set the aperture and maybe the metering (spot vs. full, etc.) and took a picture. That was it. I did color adjustments, etc. after scanning in the developed film. In fact, for digital, I started out by turning all of the automated color, sharpening, toning, etc. features OFF. Only after experience did I turn on what I felt I needed to turn on. For example, during post-processing, I found myself bumping up the saturation for nearly every shot. So, because of my own preference, I decided to save myself some time and have the camera bump up the saturation on all shots for me so that I didn't have to worry about it during post processing.
What you should worry about is what you want to do as a photographer. Do you want to shoot sports? Landscapes? Screaming babies? Birds?
In terms of a camera, think about the features you think you'll need (example: for sports, you'll want many frames per second and fast buffering). For night scenes requiring you to shoot at a higher ISO range, you'll want something with low noise (the Canon 20D has very low noise at higher ISO ranges compared to the Nikon D50 or D70 (or D70s)).
In terms of lenses, think about the focal lengths and apertures you think you'll most need. Check out what Nikon and Canon have to offer. Consider price and other features. For example, maybe you would like something with image stabilization (Canon) or vibration reduction (Nikon's system). If so, then are those features offered in your price range? If so, then do those lenses offer the performance you desire? Which MFR offers what?
If you find that both camera systems offer similar features and prices, then, yeah, if you have a choice, consider which camera feels better in your hands! One of the things I loved about my Minolta 600si was the weight (nice and heavy) and ergonomics. Looking through that giant viewfinder was great and hearing that nice mechanical shutter-clink followed by the sound of the film advancing was music to my ears and made taking pictures a blast. Ease of use was great too. I could change settings as quickly as I could snap off a shot. Enough about my 600si.
All in all, I went with a Nikon D70s. My brother's got a Canon 20D. And even though I could share his nice, expensive lenses, I went with Nikon anyway. First, I'm narrow minded and just had to have a Nikon since that's just the brand I've always wanted. Second, I wanted to get into flash photography and prefer Nikon's flash system. I liked that the D70s could act as a commander and fire off a slave flash (which allowed me to buy the SB-600 (vs. SB-800), which free'd up some money for some other stuff, like an IR remote, nicer UV filter, bigger CF card). (D50 cannot do commander mode).
My opinion about the D50? Great camera. Compared to D70s, the D50 cannot do commander mode and I prefer the D70s' build quality and size. I think the feature set is otherwise similar.
My opinion about the XT? It takes great pictures. However, I don't like it in my hands. Too small for me. I can't hold it very well and I have trouble quickly accessing the features. With a big lens on it, it's off balance for me. Not very comfortable for me.
My opinion about the 20D? Beautiful camera. Low noise at higher ISO's. And the 5 FPS is great for increasing your odds of getting a good picture while chasing around kids at a birthday party. :)
My opinion about 6 MP vs. 8 MP? Don't fall into the trap of the MP wars. Unless you plan on doing a lot of heavy cropping and/or a lot of very large prints, you won't notice the difference (besides the additional filesize). I've gotten a beautiful 12 X 18-inch print from a 3.2 MP point-and-shoot.
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Moi - 31 Dec 2005 11:33 GMT Hi Kevin,
Thanks so much for your insights!
Regarding what I want to do as a photographer...well I see myself using my camera primarily for landscapes. I'm hoping to do a bit more travelling in the future. Even without travelling I have a lot of subject matter right here in Hawai`i, where I currently reside. Aside from the usual beach stuff, palm trees, sea turtles and marine life (whales and dolphins -- underwater stuff is something for the future), I also want to be able to photograph the active volcano both during the day and after dark. I've seen the volcano after dark and aside from the glow of the flowing lava it is a black atmosphere -- there are no lights around. This is what made me wonder about the mirror lock-up, if this might be an advantage, or if all I need is a high ISO. (Depending on where you're at, the lava does ooze at an incredibly slow pace.) I also like taking macro shots of flowers. Don't ask me why, but it's something that holds a certain amount of appeal for me.
Excuse the question but, what is the difference between image stabilization (that you mentioned the Canon has) versus vibration reduction (that you said Nikon has)?
> Looking through that giant > viewfinder was great and hearing that nice mechanical shutter-clink > followed by the sound of the film advancing was music to my ears and > made taking pictures a blast. I completely agree! I remember the Pentax ME I had as a kid. The difference is that I seem to recall having to advance the film manually. I don't believe it was automatic. It was just recently that I decided I needed to get back into photography, with the exception of learning more this time. It's been a long time, but I'm excited over the prospect.
> First, I'm narrow minded and just had to have a Nikon > since that's just the brand I've always wanted. I can understand that. When I bought the Minolta, I lusted after the Nikon, but given my financial situation at the time and the fact I'm still a photo novice, I opted for a less expensive entry level film SLR.
I've read about the 6 MP versus the 8 MP situation and I'm aware that the advantage is primarily with regards to cropping.
The one feature that bothers me about the Nikon is the fact it starts at 200 ISO. Why not 100? If I remember correctly, there is a difference in grain with film camera, so isn't it noticeable with digital?
Thanks again for your comments!
Deb
WDYVET - 30 Dec 2005 07:08 GMT >Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >Deb Both good cameras, Canon in menu allows u to sharpen the picture. Canon has more features (if U need them) U will not see any difference in picture quality (ok a little maybe) going from the Rebel to the 20d, U will see a big difference on the 2 models from Nikon. I would advise getting the cheaper Canon but if U want the Nikon I would move up, there were alot of changes from the D50 to the d70. 8 vs 6 is a difference U have that much more for croping, adjusting the exposure etc. Also depending if U want larger pictures. This was an old argument when Nikon had nothing to compete with a lower end camera with the megapixels, Now they do stop using this argument. If U can wait about 2 months canon is annousing the replcement for the 20d so 20d will come down in price. I think. I have a 20d, the 5d and had the rebel. I would also look at the menu system how easy to use etc. Higher ISO Canon does better, Canon makes their sensors Nikon buys from Sony. Nothing wrong with that but Canon was able to build the sensor for higher ISO. Dont get me wrong I think Nikon is a very good camera too. I stayed with Canon because of my lenses, thats why most people select one vs the other then try and justify. But I will say more Nikon users are moving to Canon than canon users to Nikon. Watch football on Sunday and see canon. U cant go wron with either choice. good luck!
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Rich - 30 Dec 2005 22:44 GMT The Rebel XT with a decent lens instead of the kit lens. -Rich
cjcampbell - 31 Dec 2005 08:53 GMT > One difference between the two that I have read about is how the images > with the Canon Rebel XT tend to be softer than those with the Nikon D50. > Excuse the newbie question here, but isn't that a matter of the lens > rather than the camera itself? Not necessarily. All digital cameras have sharpening algorithms in their software. Some of these algorithms are more agressive than others. It comes down to a matter of personal preference.
In the case of these two cameras, though, it hardly matters at all, as you can set sharpening to match your own taste, or not at all. I always use no sharpening, preferring to do my own sharpening in post-processing.
> While the Canon Rebel XT has more features that I want, the Nikon D50 > felt so good in my hands. I couldn't believe the feel alone would sway > me so much! It wasn't that the Rebel felt bad, but when compared side by > side with the D50, I liked the solid feel of the Nikon much better. Ain't it the truth. Nikon does a lot better job with ergonomics; Canon is more innovative. For me, there were no features that Canon offered that I could not live without, so I went with Nikon. And, as you note below, this is only the beginning of it.
> Other differences that swayed me...I found both in commentaries and in > image comparisons that the Canon had a truer colour representation than [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > packages although these last two are not as critical for me as other > features - desirable yes, but not a deal-breaker. Yes. And then there is menu accessibility and button location. Nikon likes to make almost everything available from a rocker button and a couple dials all accessible with your thumb. I really like that. Canon scatters buttons and dials all over the place. Does that mean I could not learn to use a Canon? Of course not. But it does make the learning curve a little steeper.
Given the choice between mirror lock-up and spotmeter, it is a toss. I think I would use one about as often as the other. If the exposure is so long that you need mirror lock-up, you are likely to have other vibrations that are going to affect the picture more -- few cameras are operated in a vacuum. Trucks drive by, gusts of wind come up, etc., so maybe mirror lock-up is not nearly as critical as people think. OTOH, I never use the spotmeter, either. If the subject is backlit or has some other problem that would seem to mandate a spotmeter, I find the problem is easier to fix in Photoshop. The lower limit on ISO is not real, either.
> In the end I know the key things are personal likes and dislikes along > with the user's abilities, but I guess I'm hoping for one statement that > will help me make a definitive choice. I guess you have to choose between ergonomics and the bleeding edge of technology. :-) Heck, I like both of these cameras a lot. I really don't see how you could go very wrong with either one of them.
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