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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / November 2006Got my D200 today
I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. They all do, right out of the box. >>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. > > They all do, right out of the box. You're a Canon a.shole, right? >>>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >> >> They all do, right out of the box. > > You're a Canon a.shole, right? You ever seen a camera that didn't look good, right out of the box? ;-)  SignatureSkip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com > You ever seen a camera that didn't look good, right out of the box? ;-) Holga, Kiev, and Olympus dSLRs come to mind... David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan NO but this one looks REALLY REALLY nice and waint until he starts using it tooooooo wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow >>>>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >>> >>> They all do, right out of the box. >> >> You're a Canon a.shole, right? >You ever seen a camera that didn't look good, right out of the box? ;-) >>> I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to >>> try it. >> >> They all do, right out of the box. > > You're a Canon a.shole, right? Would this mean you're an anti-Canon arse? Now, let's not get started with the Canon fodder jokes. >>>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >> >> They all do, right out of the box. > > You're a Canon a.shole, right? Gee, but you are touchy ... can't find your pacifier again? >>>>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >>>They all do, right out of the box. >> >>You're a Canon a.shole, right? > > Gee, but you are touchy ... can't find your pacifier again? I always love the Nikon vs. Canon crap. Can't we all just come together and bash Sigma? >>>>>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >>>>They all do, right out of the box. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I always love the Nikon vs. Canon crap. Can't we all just come together >and bash Sigma? At the moment, Nikon would appear to be the underdog, the higher-end but lower volume department store to Canon's "Walmart." Interesting companies. Nikon makes microscopes nearly as good or as good as Zeiss, Leitz. Canon makes....photocopiers. -Rich > At the moment, Nikon would appear to be the underdog, the higher-end > but lower volume department store to Canon's "Walmart." > Interesting companies. Except that Nikon has no high-end products that compete against the Canon high end products (1DsMarkII) and Canon has no low-end products that compete against the Nikon low end products (D50). Of course Canon could, if they chose to do so, compete down in the $600 segment of the market, while Nikon lacks the key component needed to compete in the high end segment. > Nikon makes microscopes nearly as good or as > good as Zeiss, Leitz. Canon makes....photocopiers. You've stated the problem for Nikon in a nutshell. Nikon's core competency is optics, period. Canon has core competencies of optics, micro-electronics, miniaturization, micro-lithography, and imaging. Nikon has to go outside for digital camera sensors, having not taken investment in sensors seriously. Nikon is further hampered by the fact that for the larger sensors, they are essentially the only customer with any volume at all, so Sony is essentially building larger sensors only for Nikon, there is no economy of scale for Sony based on selling the same product to other manufacturers. > Except that Nikon has no high-end products that compete against the > Canon high end products (1DsMarkII) Of course they do. Don't be silly. > Canon has core competencies of optics, micro-electronics, miniaturization, > micro-lithography, and imaging. Some might question the "optics" part. > Nikon has to go outside for digital camera sensors, So does almost everyone else. Chip fabrication isn't something that you just go and do yourself because you decided it was a good idea. SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com Don't you guys get tired of these "Ford" vs. "Chevy" arguments? They're both good. Buy the one that turns your crank. They both shoot better pictures than you can. And neither one compares with a medium or large format film camera. Reply via the web portal at www.faczen.com or email usenet at firstaidco dot ca [] >> Nikon has to go outside for digital camera sensors, > > So does almost everyone else. Chip fabrication isn't something that > you just go and do yourself because you decided it was a good idea. Indeed, and Nikon make a lot of the chip fabrication equipment. David Well said, the cost of fabrication for Intel computer chips and High end optics costs BILLIONS to develop and put on the market, few can afford to just fire up a manufacturing facility to build it tomorrow. LOL >> Except that Nikon has no high-end products that compete against the >> Canon high end products (1DsMarkII) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >So does almost everyone else. Chip fabrication isn't something that you >just go and do yourself because you decided it was a good idea. Lets see ........ would you rather deal with a company that has lots of different interests and core competencies or ........... Deal with ONE that does ONE thing GREAT ! >You've stated the problem for Nikon in a nutshell. Nikon's core >competency is optics, period. Canon has core competencies of optics, >micro-electronics, miniaturization, micro-lithography, and imaging. >>>>> I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >>>> They all do, right out of the box. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I always love the Nikon vs. Canon crap. Can't we all just come together > and bash Sigma? Now, THAT makes sense@....:) PC >>>>>> I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try >>>>>> it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Now, THAT makes sense@....:) That doesn't work: we Canonista's need the Stigma 12-24 to justify the full frame sensors! David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan >That doesn't work: we Canonista's need the Stigma 12-24 to justify the full >frame sensors! Nah, we can just drone on at great and tedious length about how wonderful the EF 50mm f/1.4 is, and how it's now a great walking-around lens, and not just a nice portrait lens any more. ;-) >>>>>> I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try >>>>>> it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Now, THAT makes sense@....:) Sigma bash themselves well enough ... Where is the SD11 and a Foveon CCD bigger than 3.43 megapixels? >"Proconsul" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message >> Cynicor <j..tru.p.i.n...@speakeasy.net> >>>>>>> I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try >>>>>>> it. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Where is the SD11 and a Foveon CCD bigger than 3.43 megapixels? Didn't you see their many claims that the SD10 was really a 10MP camera? They wouldn't lie or mislead, would they? SignatureRay Fischer rfischer@sonic.net > Didn't you see their many claims that the SD10 was really a 10MP > camera? They wouldn't lie or mislead, would they? Oh no, Gionovella will come out of hibernation now with some new aliases. No just a bunch of Nikon fans tired of the crap posted on here about how the NIKON bands, is too expensive, is a beta camera etc. I bet its outselling canon at least 4 to 1 >>>>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gee, but you are touchy ... can't find your pacifier again? > I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. Then be aware that if our magazines don't get a D200 to test in January, some sort of fee awaits anyone able to send me top quality (good lens, high detail content into corners, etc) sample raw files. The very least on offer is a free subscription for a file to examine and not reproduce. David f2photo.co.uk Send me your email address at: tbroach@gmail.com and I will send you several nature shots take with the D200, which I can't praise highly enough. Tom Roach >I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >>I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. > > Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. And what's the downside to this? >> Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. > > And what's the downside to this? Well, since you asked... the downside is that Nikon might be perceived as not showing support for a market that has continued to give them strong support. While sales of Nikon products may have slipped in other world markets, they have continued to do very well in Canada. Rob >>>Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > support. While sales of Nikon products may have slipped in other world > markets, they have continued to do very well in Canada. Yeah, but where do you plug the battery recharger into your igloo? SNIP >> While sales of Nikon products may have slipped in other world >> markets, they have continued to do very well in Canada. > > Yeah, but where do you plug the battery recharger into your igloo? You seem confused by the size of Canada, the second largest country in the world. The majority of its southern border is approx. at the same 49 degrees latitude as the northern edge of Paris/France, and its most southern latitude is similar to the latitude of the norther part of Spain and Portugal. Bart > "Cynicor" <j..tru.p.i.n...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > southern latitude is similar to the latitude of the norther part of > Spain and Portugal. I know all of that. It's just that Canadians are sooooo cute when they take mild offense! :D And NYC is the same latitude as Portugal. That only affects sunrise times, not weather conditions! SNIP > I know all of that. It's just that Canadians are sooooo cute when > they take mild offense! :D Wouldn't know, I'm from the Netherlands (winters not cold enough for serious igloos ;-) ). Bart > I know all of that. It's just that Canadians are sooooo cute when they > take mild offense! :D Ey? >> "Cynicor" <j..tru.p.i.n...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I know all of that. It's just that Canadians are sooooo cute when they >take mild offense! :D The trouble is, if a European said it, it would immediately be taken as humour. When an American says something like that, half believe it is because of their ignorance of World geography! -Rich >>>You seem confused by the size of Canada, the second largest country in >>>the world. The majority of its southern border is approx. at the same 49 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > as humour. When an American says something like that, half believe > it is because of their ignorance of World geography! I know, it's great. I love being graded on a curve! > SNIP >>> While sales of Nikon products may have slipped in other world markets, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > southern latitude is similar to the latitude of the norther part of > Spain and Portugal You left out the fact the the vast expanses of Canada are largely uninhabited except by the wapiti....! It's also instructive to learn that 90% of Canadians live within a hundred miles of the US border - gotta stay close to decent medical care and consumer products......:) And, one might compare total population instead of land mass.....:) The wapiti who are the greatest inhabitants of most of Canada don't buy cameras.....:) PC SNIP > The wapiti who are the greatest inhabitants of most of Canada don't > buy cameras.....:) No doubt, and I assume they also don't need an igloo ;-) Bart > It's also instructive to learn that 90% of Canadians live within a hundred > miles of the US border - gotta stay close to decent medical care and > consumer products......:) And, one might compare total population instead > of land mass.....:) You have that arse backwards: they have to stay close so they can make money providing decent medical care and fairly-priced medicines to abused US consumers. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan <SNIP> > You have that arse backwards: they have to stay close so they can make money > providing decent medical care and fairly-priced medicines to abused US > consumers. You've got it half right. Medicines are cheaper there. Healthcare is better in the USA. Scott Chapin >> SNIP >>>> While sales of Nikon products may have slipped in other world markets, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >PC All true, but I'm hoping global warming changes that. -Rich >>> SNIP >>>>> While sales of Nikon products may have slipped in other world markets, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > All true, but I'm hoping global warming changes that. Don't hold your breath.....:) PC >>>> Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yeah, but where do you plug the battery recharger into your igloo? Well, the trading post has a generator and I've got this really, really lonnggg extension cord...... >>>>> Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Well, the trading post has a generator and I've got this really, really > lonnggg extension cord...... Unarmed men in a battle of wits. >>>>Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yeah, but where do you plug the battery recharger into your igloo? Not a problem, we have charger outlets on our Skidoos. >>> Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rob That's ok, Canada, and the rest of the world, got the Canon 5D before the US did, so maybe Nikon's just trying to address the inequity. SignatureSkip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com >>>> Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's ok, Canada, and the rest of the world, got the Canon 5D before the > US did, so maybe Nikon's just trying to address the inequity. Canon 5D sales are slow which is why the price in Ottawa dropped from CDN $4,300 to CDN $3,900 >>> Seems like Canada does't get the D200 so the USA can get them first. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > strong support. While sales of Nikon products may have slipped in other > world markets, they have continued to do very well in Canada. I suspect they won't send too many to Mongolia either..... The Canadian market, compared to the US market, is miniscule - no rocket science involved. You go where the money is - and that's just good business....! PC Maybe you lucky Canadians won't have to bother with the first round of firmware downloads and battery recalls. Your glass is half full. > Maybe you lucky Canadians won't have to bother with the first round of > firmware downloads and battery recalls. Your glass is half full. Amazing how digital SLRs have become like motor vehicles, with the better quality production units becoming available after production has been going on for a while. Yet despite that, clueless people rush to buy the latest model the instant it comes on the market. >> Maybe you lucky Canadians won't have to bother with the first round of >> firmware downloads and battery recalls. Your glass is half full. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > been going on for a while. Yet despite that, clueless people rush to buy > the latest model the instant it comes on the market. In the cases of firmware updates and recalls to fix problems, those who get the latest model as soon as it comes out are not at a disadvantage. On the contrary, they get to have the imperfect but still usable camera for some time, and also get the fixes as and when available. - Len >>> Maybe you lucky Canadians won't have to bother with the first round of >>> firmware downloads and battery recalls. Your glass is half full. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > On the contrary, they get to have the imperfect but still usable camera > for some time, and also get the fixes as and when available. True. But for some hardware issues, the manufacturer deems them not sufficiently serious to even inform the buyers. Unless a large number of people experience the problem, the manufacturer does nothing. I've worked for semiconductor companies where we realize that there is a small chance of a problem with a component, and when the company that buys the component is informed, they often decide to do nothing, because it's cheaper to repair a few units under warranty, and hope that the rest either never break, or don't break until the warranty is over. You constantly see recalls where you must check a serial number because the manufacturer keeps track of when they made production changes for known issues. How many known issues are there where they just let it slide? > Maybe you lucky Canadians won't have to bother with the first round of > firmware downloads and battery recalls. Your glass is half full. And yet Canon is up 7 firmware fixes since the 20D was introduced. > I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. This is not that big of a deal but I did *not* write the above. No clue what happened. Tony V. Congratulations enjoy your new puchase and hope you enjoy it for many years LOVING MINE ! >I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. > Congratulations enjoy your new puchase and hope you enjoy it for many > years LOVING MINE ! > >> I just picked it up at ritz and it looks great! I can't wait to try it. Rather than post little snips of wisdom whose accuracy is questionable, perhaps you could explain to this naive reader why you or anyone else would get bent out of shape regarding which brand of anything is better or worse than any other (as opposed to a more objective post itemizing the pro's and con's of same). One of the advantages of a free market system is to permit the consumer to choose based on price, performance and user preference. Dave Cohen >Rather than post little snips of wisdom whose accuracy is questionable, >perhaps you could explain to this naive reader why you or anyone else [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >and user preference. >Dave Cohen Fist let me say I am not "bent out of shape" just annoyed sometimes by ignorance. Sure I would be happy to explain my little snip of wisdom in greater detail and am glad you asked. I am disappointed when people, and naive reads like yourself put down this camera. Most, like yourself I am sure, don't even own one. Yet many on here say things about it like: (a) The camera is defective and bands and the company has finally admitted this fact. (b) The Camera is really just a big "Beta Test" and new adopters of this beta camera should be cautious (c) I am waiting and not buying mine until the next release And a litany of other stupid nonsense. Now the consumer choice you mentioned and the advantages of a free market. First and foremost, it is the most camera you will get to date for your money. It was a long time in coming but well worth the wait and fills a HUGE market need for those that wanted more than a D100 but didnt want or need all the features of a D2X or 5D. The D100 while a great camera was aging and a more feature rich camera was needed. The D200s 10.2 megapixel resolution rugged moisture and dust sealed magnesium-alloy body, large viewfinder, and 5fps motor all for less than $2000 make it a winner. Now you mentioned the cons, THERE ARE NONE. I am not alone in this feeling google the reviews and you will learn there are a litany of others that say there are no cons to note. My accuracy on these points is not questionable it is supported by countless others that have rigorously tested this camera and drawn the same conclusions. I think the sales of the camera also speak for themselves and as they say in Latin. "Res Ipsa Loquitur" I hope my response was helpful for the naive reader and he is now a bit less naive. :) |
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