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Matalog - 30 Oct 2005 18:06 GMT
I am going to buy a vamera this week.  I have been looking at the 8/9 mp
slr-like (but non-slr - Too expensive) range and I think I'm down to 2.

I want a good zoom range 10x Optical is good, and a flip or twist lcd is
handy.  Also a manual zoom ring.  I want a shutter speed at least 30 secs
and up to 1/4000th but I would take 1/2000th and aperture down to f11
preferably.  But really the thing that matters is the final result - the
images the camera produces.

I'm stuck between (and I've read hundreds of reviews fro and against each)
the Panasonic Lumix DMC FZ-30 and the Fuji S9500/S9000z.   Do any of you
have any opinions of these cameras or could anyone recommend another camera
to look at.

Thanks for any help.

P.S. Which would be faster a 1gb xd card or a 1gb cf card?
Kinon O'cann - 30 Oct 2005 18:12 GMT
If you're going to look at these two, take a look at the Samsumg, as well.
They're all nice cams, so choose the one with the feature set that best
suits your use.

>I am going to buy a vamera this week.  I have been looking at the 8/9 mp
> slr-like (but non-slr - Too expensive) range and I think I'm down to 2.
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> P.S. Which would be faster a 1gb xd card or a 1gb cf card?
David J Taylor - 30 Oct 2005 18:15 GMT
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> I'm stuck between (and I've read hundreds of reviews fro and against
> each) the Panasonic Lumix DMC FZ-30 and the Fuji S9500/S9000z.   Do
> any of you have any opinions of these cameras or could anyone
> recommend another camera to look at.

If you want a 10X zoom, you really don't want to be without image
stabilisation, or hand-holding the lens becomes difficult to ensure a
sharp result.  That rules out the Fuji.

David
Matalog - 30 Oct 2005 18:25 GMT
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> > I'm stuck between (and I've read hundreds of reviews fro and against
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> David

Is IS really that necessary, could a slightly higher ISO and then higher
shutter speed work instead of IS?  I have a Fuji s602zoom and it has 6x
optical zoom, I never needed IS with that camera (although I realise that
10x is more that 6x, it's not that much more).
David J Taylor - 30 Oct 2005 19:20 GMT
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> Is IS really that necessary, could a slightly higher ISO and then
> higher shutter speed work instead of IS?  I have a Fuji s602zoom and
> it has 6x optical zoom, I never needed IS with that camera (although
> I realise that 10x is more that 6x, it's not that much more).

Well, it depends on your ability to hold a camera.  If you are always
using a tripod, you are always in very bright light, or you can accept the
noise (grain) at the higher ISO, then you may be able to manage without.
Having now used a camera with IS (the Panasonic FZ5), which gives you
about three stops gain in shutter speed (i.e. you can hand hold the 432mm
zoom setting at about 1/50s) there is no way I would wish to revert.  Why
not try it and see for yourself?

David
Kyle Jones - 30 Oct 2005 23:20 GMT
> > []
> > > I'm stuck between (and I've read hundreds of reviews fro and against
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> optical zoom, I never needed IS with that camera (although I realise that
> 10x is more that 6x, it's not that much more).

You should test and decide for yourself.  I took my camera,
which has no image stabilization, and zoomed up to 10x, which is
roughly equivalent to a 280mm lens on a 35mm camera.  I took
a series of photos of a calendar from about three feet away.  I
took five photos each at shutter speeds from 1/10s to 1/100s,
resting between sets.

I then dumped the photos to my computer and examined them.  I found
that I couldn't reliably handhold below 1/80s, with "reliably"
defined as 4 out of 5 shots without visible shake.

The 1/80s limitation means that shooting outdoors during the day
should pose no problems throughout the zoom range using low ISO
levels.  Indoors however, forget about handholding while using
the long end of the zoom for candid long range shots.  There will
never be enough ambient light to shoot at 1/80s unless high ISO
levels are used and then there will be a lot of noise in the
photos.
Matalog - 30 Oct 2005 23:35 GMT
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> > > > I'm stuck between (and I've read hundreds of reviews fro and against
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> levels are used and then there will be a lot of noise in the
> photos.

That's good to know, what was your aperture at on the series of photos?  The
biggest aperture in the fuji is 4.8 or something for telephoto.
Kyle Jones - 30 Oct 2005 23:58 GMT
> > > "David J Taylor"
> > > <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk.invalid> wrote
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> That's good to know, what was your aperture at on the series of
> photos?

f/2.6
Siddhartha Jain - 31 Oct 2005 10:35 GMT
> > > []
> > > > I'm stuck between (and I've read hundreds of reviews fro and against
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> levels are used and then there will be a lot of noise in the
> photos.

I had a similar experience with my Olympus C-750 that featured 10x
optical zoom. Buying such a long zoom without image stabilisation, IMO,
is a waste of money unless you are a human tripod. I think the only
camera to feature IS, 10x zoom and manual zoom/focus is the Panasonic
FZ30.

- Siddhartha
 
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