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jimw075@excite.com - 30 Jun 2005 03:34 GMT
It looks like the Fuji super ccd hr used on the F10 does a great job on
400/800 iso settings, much better than any other digicam. Is there any
chance this sensor will be used on cameras other than Fuji?
Thanks, JW
SimonLW - 30 Jun 2005 12:26 GMT
> It looks like the Fuji super ccd hr used on the F10 does a great job on
> 400/800 iso settings, much better than any other digicam. Is there any
> chance this sensor will be used on cameras other than Fuji?
> Thanks, JW

Fuji finally came up with somthing with visible results. They are finally
getting over calling cameras twice the resolution that they really are
(interpretation). The new HR sensor with large and small cells at each
photosite was supposed to improve dynamic range was no better than the
typical competitor. Well, the F10 with low noise at ISO400 and still usable
at 800 is a REAL step forward for compact digital cameras. They would be
foolish not to use the technology across the compact camera line as it will
give them a competitive edge. Next they or someone needs to figure out the
dynamic range problem and give us a couple stops more latitude.
-S
Gene F. Rhodes - 30 Jun 2005 16:52 GMT
My Fuji F700 does provide wider latitude when processed with downloaded
freeware.
See RAW Conversion at :
http://www.photoprojects.net/fujif700.html
Gene

> > It looks like the Fuji super ccd hr used on the F10 does a great job on
> > 400/800 iso settings, much better than any other digicam. Is there any
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> dynamic range problem and give us a couple stops more latitude.
> -S
JPS@no.komm - 30 Jun 2005 23:28 GMT
>Fuji finally came up with somthing with visible results. They are finally
>getting over calling cameras twice the resolution that they really are
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>give them a competitive edge. Next they or someone needs to figure out the
>dynamic range problem and give us a couple stops more latitude.

Many cameras are losing a stop because the native color balance of the
sensor/CFA combo is not white.  It seems that many Bayer filters cut a
*lot* more red than green, with blue somewhere in-between, and most of
the cameras do not do *anything* at all for white balance when
digitizing the sensor image, so the red channel uses almost a bit less
depth than the green, and its noise and posterization are spread into
the other channels in the demosaicing process.  Perhaps it would cause a
speed problem, reading the sensor, but I think that if the sensor/CFA
combe is a half stop less sensitive to blue, and a stop less sensitive
to red, then it should amplify those channels differently, based on the
white balance setting.

For DSLRs, in general, the sensors are already more sensitive at ISO 100
than the cameras are delivering.  The limitation on the usefulness of
the shadows in these cases is imposed more by the 12-bit digitization
than the sensor itself, as is evidenced by the fact the the same
shadows, when they are shot at the same f-stop and shutter speed at
higher ISOs, have far more levels and detail than the ISO 100 shadows.
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