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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / April 2005Out of ink, then buy another printer
I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer rather than buy inkjet cartridges. Today I saw a printer selling for $74. I asked the sales person the total cost for the cartridges for the printer (it took a black and a colour cartridge). The cost was $72. Only $2 difference. Regards Brian >I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Regards Brian How about re-fill the cartridge? wouldn't cost more than $20.00 Cheers _ Hunibal _ > How about re-fill the cartridge? wouldn't cost more than $20.00 > > Cheers _ Hunibal _ Well, I tried that a few years ago. VERY messy, and only about 1 in 3 of the cartridges worked afterwards. Worse, the ink was terrible. No thanks.  SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net > > How about re-fill the cartridge? wouldn't cost more than $20.00 > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the cartridges worked afterwards. Worse, the ink was terrible. No > thanks. Carts in Japan seem to be going down in price - after all - this is the home of the Kyoto Protocol and big business is looking out for the 3-R's - Re-use, Recycle and Re-fill. Unfortunately this seems to be limited to Japan and the economy here is still export-driven, meaning Epson and Canon will sell the same printers abroad but make it impossible to use cheap Japanese carts. The usual prices here are Canon BCI 6 and BCI 3e carts - around 750yen ($7) Epson IC**21's (Stylus 950 etc) around 850yen ($8.20) Using the re-fill inks will only save about 10% over these prices. > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Epson IC**21's (Stylus 950 etc) around 850yen ($8.20) > I think Canon should drop the price of the Pixma series carts to $5.00. Then the hawkers and whores will be out of business. >Using the re-fill inks will only save about 10% over these prices. > > How about re-fill the cartridge? wouldn't cost more than $20.00 I used to do that, and I had a good experience with it. However, manufacturers switched to carts with chips in them, and they no longer worked after reporting themselves empty, even though I'd refilled them. SignaturePhil Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed The Civilized Explorer | spam and read later. email from this URL http://www.cieux.com/ | http://www.civex.com/ is read daily. >I used to do that, and I had a good experience with it. However, >manufacturers switched to carts with chips in them, and they no longer >worked after reporting themselves empty, even though I'd refilled them. I bought one of those 3rd party black ink cartridges for my Canon printer and it ruined the black print heads because the ink gummed up inside. I tried cleaning the print head with Isopropyl alcohol but the head is ruined. I'll never buy a 3rd party cartridge again, and now I have to buy a new printer too. Well, I could order a new print head from Canon but it would be just about as cheap to just replace the printer. It's not an expensive model. >>How about re-fill the cartridge? wouldn't cost more than $20.00 > > I used to do that, and I had a good experience with it. However, > manufacturers switched to carts with chips in them, and they no longer > worked after reporting themselves empty, even though I'd refilled them. That scheme can often be defeated, but it is a lengthy song and dance routine, not worth the effort in my opinion. SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net >I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Regards Brian You're assuming the new printer came with a full set of carts. Often they come with a 'starter set'. Tom > You're assuming the new printer came with a full set of carts. Often they > come with a 'starter set'. > > Tom I've heard this, particulary from shop staff, but never found it to be correct when I've bought Epson. >> You're assuming the new printer came with a full set of carts. Often >> they come with a 'starter set'. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've heard this, particulary from shop staff, but never found it to be > correct when I've bought Epson. It's HP that use "starter" sets. >I've heard this, particulary from shop staff, but never found it to be >correct when I've bought Epson. Well good for Epson and I mean that as a compliment. My HP came with carts with a G in partnumber. (Special one drop of ink carts). Wes >> You're assuming the new printer came with a full set of carts. Often they >> come with a 'starter set'. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I've heard this, particulary from shop staff, but never found it to be >correct when I've bought Epson. It was an Epson printer (I think it was Epson 45....but I'd need to check) Regards Brian > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Tom > Yes in the case of HP; No in the case of Canon. > >>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >> rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Tom I checked and the printer does come with a black and a colour cart. Regards Brian >>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >>>rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Regards Brian Yes, both carts, but are they FULL OF INK? The only way to tell is to weigh a regular cartridge, and the 'starter' cartridge. If there is a difference, factor that into the purchase price. SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net GOTO www.printpal.com a full set for the epson C84 is only about $36.00 I have been using them for 2 years about a set a month. Yes I do a weekly handout paper >>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >>> rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Regards Brian > I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Regards Brian I bought a refurbished HP 845 printer a couple of years ago for $45. Well below the cost of two cartridges. I used it until a couple of months ago when I bought an HP 1350 for $129. A bit more than the cost of two cartridges, but not a lot. However, then printer manufacturers are getting wise and are putting in 'starter cartridges' with only a little ink in them. sigh. SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net Try printpal.com Carts are very cheap and work well. Been using them for years. HP is a little more costly than Epson. Also after you have purchased from them, they usually send you an email for 10% off and free shipping. If I remember correctly, I think if you spend over $40 you get the free shipping. I usually get about 4 to 6 carts every time and it runs me about 45 to 60 respectively. But you can order 2 if you like. Anyway check it out. They do not tell you the mfg/formulator of what they sell. It is a black box. >Try printpal.com Carts are very cheap and work well. Been using them >for years. HP is a little more costly than Epson. Also after you have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > rather than buy inkjet cartridges. > Today I saw a printer selling for $74. I asked the sales person the > total cost for the cartridges for the printer (it took a black and a > colour cartridge). The cost was $72. Only $2 difference. It was cheaper to buy a new printer than to refill my Xerox C20. Then again I got the C20 'free' for buying a set of consumables. The cost of carts for it went *up* as the years went on, and after an unsuccessful experiemtn with third-party inks, I looked at the cost of a new set of carts, saw the offer a local shop had on the HP 5650 and bought one. Sure, I miss the A3 and PostScript interpreter of the Xerox occasionally - and I could get the carts refilled if I needed to I guess - but printer economics are voodoo economics! pete Signaturepete@fenelon.com "Send lawyers, guns and money...." >>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >>rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > pete Every time I pay the outrageous price for a new cartridge, I just remind myself that I am making a payment on the printer. At least I feel better that way. SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net > I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Regards Brian Buy ONLY a printer that has individual cartridges for all colors. Look for discount ink - my canon i850's carts can be had for less than $2 each. The same cartridges work in the 3 canon bjc3000's I also have. Canon seems to try to reuse cartridges instead of designing new ones for every printer model. I've run at least ten sets through one of the bjc3000 and it works fine. They work fine for almost everything. I wouldn't do this for printing high quality artwork but that's not what most people are printing. mgg Signaturesig goes here > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >They work fine for almost everything. > I wouldn't do this for printing >high quality artwork Why not? > but that's not what most people are printing. > >mgg > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Why not? there does seem to be minor differences in color between cheap and original cartridges. With color correction perhaps you could live with it. For most everything I print - it isn't noticeable and doesn't matter. > > but that's not what most people are printing. > > > >mgg > > > > Signaturesig goes here >> I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >> rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Buy ONLY a printer that has individual cartridges for all colors. Also if you look at them, the cheaper printers have smaller carts, especially the black one. SignatureStacey When looking at a decent printer you will usually find the cost about half of the street price of the printer. That is really out of line. >I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Regards Brian > > I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > rather than buy inkjet cartridges. Often, printers are given away when you buy other stuff. Depending on your buying patterns of hard and software, you may not _need_ to buy a new printer when your ink runs out on the old one. :-> SignaturePhil Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed The Civilized Explorer | spam and read later. email from this URL http://www.cieux.com/ | http://www.civex.com/ is read daily. Phil, I think it was you that mentioned built in chips. my son picked up a reset gizmo for his epson cartridge from ebay, very cheap. I prefer a laser for b&w and get my photo printing done outside. Dave Cohen >> I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >> rather than buy inkjet cartridges. > > Often, printers are given away when you buy other stuff. Depending on your > buying patterns of hard and software, you may not _need_ to buy a new > printer when your ink runs out on the old one. :-> >Phil, I think it was you that mentioned built in chips. my son picked up a >reset gizmo for his epson cartridge from ebay, very cheap. I prefer a laser >for b&w and get my photo printing done outside. I'm thinking of going lazer too for text printing. The problem with inkjet is that if you don't use it frequently the ink dries up and can gum up the print heads. That happened to an Epson 870 I had and the printer was useless after that. > Phil, I think it was you that mentioned built in chips. my son picked up a > reset gizmo for his epson cartridge from ebay, very cheap. I prefer a laser > for b&w and get my photo printing done outside. Yep, I use a laser printer for myself nowadays -- it's cheaper than inkjets. I stopped even accepting the free ones when you buy a new computer or whatever. My wife prefers inkjets because she prints a lot of her photos, and she bought one that doesn't chip the carts. A canon i9900, as I recall. SignaturePhil Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed The Civilized Explorer | spam and read later. email from this URL http://www.cieux.com/ | http://www.civex.com/ is read daily. Otherwise, why refill cartridge at a time if you're really printing hundreds/thousands of pages a month? Just buy a continuous ink bottle feed system from www.inkjetmall.com and elsewhere and relax! Really, really cheap ink costs with one! (yahoo groups -> epson inkjet mailing list for more info on these) But yeah, with a new laser printer selling for <$50 on sale with coupons, no reason to use an inkjet for regular printing (www.fatwallet.com/c/18/ for these deals). Yep, and even cheaper when you buy a printer on sale for <$50 at www.fatwallet.com/c/18/ threads! Heck, with some clearance Lexmarks at Target for <$25, you can't go wrong at all buying a new printer when the inks run dry in your old one! > I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > rather than buy inkjet cartridges. > Today I saw a printer selling for $74. I asked the sales person the > total cost for the cartridges for the printer (it took a black and a > colour cartridge). The cost was $72. Only $2 difference. You do realize some cheap printers come with 1/2 full cartridges? SignatureStacey >> I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >> rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You do realize some cheap printers come with 1/2 full cartridges? I don't know if this was the case for this $74 printer. I wonder if the buyer would be told that the cartridge was half full. At the moment it seems to be cheaper to process a 35mm film and get 24 (6x4 inch) prints for $10. To made a print of a digital photo costs 60 cents at most places. Far as I know the cheaper printers have expensive ink cartridges and the more expensive printers have cheaper cartridges. If I was to buy another printer it would be one that has separate colours for each cartridges. I hate replacing colour cartridges that have run out of a certain colour, when there is still ink for the other colours. Regards Brian >>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >>>rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Regards Brian Sixty cents! WHERE? I can get digital prints at CVS Pharmacy for $.39 and at Sam's Club for $.14. SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net >>>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >>>>rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Sixty cents! WHERE? I can get digital prints at CVS Pharmacy for $.39 >and at Sam's Club for $.14. That price was for New Zealand. Regards Brian .....>>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > >>>>rather than buy inkjet cartridges. > >>>>Today I saw a printer selling for $74. I asked the sales person the > >>>>total cost for the cartridges for the printer (it took a black and a > >>>>colour cartridge). The cost was $72. Only $2 difference. I have had a HP Deskjet 930c for about three years and could never afford to buy new carts at app £20 - £30. From the start I've bought ink and refil myself, results are no different to those from a brand new cartridge, e.g. excellent.. ( My Sister bought me one for Christmas and apart from testing it is still unused, I speak of colour) BW is easier to fill as it is an empty space inside, coulor is padded and you have to push the syringe through it, still easy. At first it was a bit messy and I used to do it in the sink but now with all the practice I've had when one of the colours needs to be filled I just put a kitchen towel in front of the PC and do all three, five minutes. Some important points = When a new cart. or one refilled won't work, place a kitchen towel round the jet end and with it facing outwards swing it vigorously round and round until ink shows on the towel. If a cart has been standing without use, mix a tiny drop of bleach with water in a small dish and soak the jet end in it - then swing it round till ink shows. When one colour only stops, I use a bigger size syringe to force air through just the one hole. I print hundreds of A4s on ordinary paper; thicker A4 card and thin and thick printer paper, with perfect results. Though I will admit, setting the many colour options in the PC to get the best results can be a pain in the ***. John. > .....>>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > the best results can be a pain in the ***. > John. I am glad your results with refilling have been better than my attempts which were, to say the least, unsatisfactory. Maybe I am just too uncoordinated for the task. SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net > > .....>>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > uncoordinated for the task. > Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net *** Thanks Ron, Perhaps if you can say what went wrong I could help. I use 4 syringes one for each colour then I can fill and clean them after. It is important to fill them as soon as you can otherwise they can be awkward to get started. I fill the syringe and push it through the tough padding that is inside till it hits the bottom then draw it back out a bit and slowly push the ink in until it comes out of the top quickly wiping with a towel, then do the next and the next. You must know which chamber takes each colour. With the colour cart you don't need to seal it as it sits with the holes on top but with the black you must put the bung back and cellotape. My colour cart is hp 6578d, 19ml. It's worth you persevering as you can do the same cart dozens of times. And the cost of doing as many pictures as you like is very little. John. >>>>>I read somewhere that soon it would be cheaper to buy another printer >>>>>rather than buy inkjet cartridges. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Regards Brian Sorry. There was nothing in your post, or header, to indicate the point of origin. So, that's the price you pay for living in a fairly remote area, but from what I have seen of pictures of NZ, the scenery is probably worth $.60 a print! SignatureRon Hunter rphunter@charter.net |
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