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jbert - 28 Mar 2005 21:45 GMT
When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is
this an in camera thing or is it something that is done using software
after down loading the images to the computer?

The D70 had no power and the clerk could not help me so I could not
examine the menu. How does this camera deal with sepia and B&W? I have
seen these types of images supposedly taken with a D70.

Thanks, JAB
Gadi Ben-Avi - 28 Mar 2005 22:22 GMT
On the 20D menu, select Paramters. The B&W option is one of the sub options
under paramters.

Gadi
> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is this
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>
> Thanks, JAB
Bubbabob - 28 Mar 2005 23:48 GMT
> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is
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>
> Thanks, JAB

In software, afterwards.
Jay Beckman - 29 Mar 2005 00:04 GMT
> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is this
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks, JAB

The 20D can be configured for B&W as a custom function.
Bert - 29 Mar 2005 00:11 GMT
On the 20D you go into menu and under the parameter menu you can select B/W
mode, in the B/W menu you can change the contrast, sharpness, select a
filter effect and choose a toning effect. I don't believe the D70 has a B/W
mode so this effect will need to be done post-process in software.

Rob.

> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks, JAB
C J Campbell - 29 Mar 2005 01:42 GMT
> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is
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> examine the menu. How does this camera deal with sepia and B&W? I have
> seen these types of images supposedly taken with a D70.

You do it in software afterwards. If you are smart, that is how you do it
with the 20D as well. The BW mode in any camera is not nearly as versatile
as what you can do with a good photo editing program.
Skip M - 29 Mar 2005 05:46 GMT
>> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
>> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is
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> with the 20D as well. The BW mode in any camera is not nearly as versatile
> as what you can do with a good photo editing program.

It may not be as versatile as doing in "channel mixer" in PShop, but, a)
it's easier and b) it gives a similar effect as about 3 minutes of tweaking
in PShop.  With my 20D in b&w mode, with the yellow filter effect applied,
it gives me results comparable to the Ilford XP-2 that I use/used.
If you have a fear of not having a color image to use, too, just shoot B&W
in RAW+JPEG, the RAW image comes up in color, the JPEG, black and white.

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Diane Wilson - 29 Mar 2005 13:34 GMT
> >> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
> >> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is
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> If you have a fear of not having a color image to use, too, just shoot B&W
> in RAW+JPEG, the RAW image comes up in color, the JPEG, black and white.

Back in the days of shooting with actual B/W film, there were a number
of filters that could be used for varying contrast.  But once you'd
shot with the filter, you were stuck with what you got on film.  Same
with using a "filter effect" in the camera.

I'd *much* rather do my BW effects in Photoshop.  PS rules!  You
don't need the channel mixer, either; there are always many ways
to do things in PS.  The hue/saturation layer effects gives you
control over color filtering before going BW, and a second
hue/saturation layer effect lets you desaturate.  The neat thing
about layer effects is that they don't alter the base image;
you can change anything you want in them, even in later editing
sessions.

If you want to play with hand-tinting effects, you can edit the
mask layer on the hue/saturation mask layers to block selectively
the color filtering or the desaturation.  Or if you want single-
color effects like old hand-tinted photos, you can apply colors
in new layers and set the layer attribute and transparency to
get the effect you want.  The possibilities are endless.

Diane
JPS@no.komm - 01 Apr 2005 00:28 GMT
>> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
>> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is
>> this an in camera thing or is it something that is done using software
>> after down loading the images to the computer?

>> The D70 had no power and the clerk could not help me so I could not
>> examine the menu. How does this camera deal with sepia and B&W? I have
>> seen these types of images supposedly taken with a D70.

>You do it in software afterwards. If you are smart, that is how you do it
>with the 20D as well. The BW mode in any camera is not nearly as versatile
>as what you can do with a good photo editing program.

It is, however, possible that the camera does a better job than a
channel mixer with a demosaiced color image, if the filter effect chosen
is the one you want.  I believe that the optimal B&W filter will use
data from both a demosaiced image, and the three color planes
interpolated independently, as well.  You can't get the latter from an
already-demosaiced image.
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Skip M - 29 Mar 2005 05:42 GMT
> When looking over the two cameras at the store, I could not find on the
> menu for the 20D any reference to taking pictures in sepia or B&W. Is this
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks, JAB

It is not an effect in software after the fact, as Bubbabob said, nor is it
a custom function as Jay Beckman said.  It is in parameters, in effect it is
"Set 4."  The parameter says B&W, sepia is a sub heading in that parameter.
The camera MUST be in one of the Creative Modes, AV, TV, P or M, for it to
be accessed, you can't get to it if you are in one of the Basic Modes.
AFAIK, any b&w images taken with the D70, however, are done in
postprocessing.

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