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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / March 2005Digital Camera Review Sites - What about us ?
I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see anyone point to us? Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net I looked at your site and to me it looks more like ads then reviews. I looked at the "review" for the 20D, it just looked like a spec sheet with a link as to where to buy it. Did I miss something? Scott I appologize scott I will update the page for you if it doesn't have enough information. As you know their are thousands of cameras on the market it takes time to do a quality review of each one. Maybe you better stick to dpreview then with 100,000 pages of forums then if you want that kind of interaction. In regards to " Did I miss something? " I would suggest you missed the point your mother made earlier in life about if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? Regards, Kevin Katovic > I appologize scott I will update the page for you if it doesn't have > enough information. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I would suggest you missed the point your mother made earlier in life > about if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? You did seem to be asking why nobody referred to your site, I told you why I though this was so, or was that a rhetorical question you asked? Scott Thanks for the opinions, What do you suggest I do to make my site more proffessonal so I can add to my credibility as a authority site other than the semantics of ranking terms on search engines ext. Lets say I only can spend 6 hours a day doing so with articles and I am one person and can only type at 40 wpm and my spelling is horrible and I can't afford a proof reader. maybe your in the wrong business then > Thanks for the opinions, What do you suggest I do to make my site more > proffessonal so I can add to my credibility as a authority site other > than the semantics of ranking terms on search engines ext. Lets say I > only can spend 6 hours a day doing so with articles and I am one person > and can only type at 40 wpm and my spelling is horrible and I can't > afford a proof reader. > Thanks for the opinions, What do you suggest I do to make my site more > proffessonal so I can add to my credibility as a authority site other > than the semantics of ranking terms on search engines ext. The easiest way is to have something substantial on your site. In fact, that's the only way. If you've got nothing to offer, you have no authority, and no traffic. <snip> >Thanks for the opinions, What do you suggest I do to make my site more >proffessonal so I can add to my credibility as a authority site other >than the semantics of ranking terms on search engines ext. Lets say I >only can spend 6 hours a day doing so with articles and I am one person >and can only type at 40 wpm and my spelling is horrible and I can't >afford a proof reader. Get a more pleasant on-line personality. I know I am not going to bother to look at your site.  SignatureMatt Silberstein All in all, if I could be any animal, I would want to be a duck or a goose. They can fly, walk, and swim. Plus, there there is a certain satisfaction knowing that at the end of your life you will taste good with an orange sauce or, in the case of a goose, a chestnut stuffing. Matt writes: > All in all, if I could be any animal, I would want to be > a duck or a goose. They can fly, walk, and swim. Plus, > there there is a certain satisfaction knowing that at the > end of your life you will taste good with an orange sauce > or, in the case of a goose, a chestnut stuffing. If I could be any animal, I'd be me. Heh... Jeff > I would suggest you missed the point your mother made earlier in life > about if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? Oh purleeze.... Iain [snip] >I would suggest you missed the point your mother made earlier in life >about if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? As Alice Roosevelt put it, if you can't say anything nice about someone, come and sit next to me. SignatureMatt Silberstein All in all, if I could be any animal, I would want to be a duck or a goose. They can fly, walk, and swim. Plus, there there is a certain satisfaction knowing that at the end of your life you will taste good with an orange sauce or, in the case of a goose, a chestnut stuffing. > I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see > anyone point to us? > > Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net I tried to give it a fair look, but the brand links were broken, no mention of the Rebel XT save the Amazon ad, and there are lots more informative sites out there. If you are out for site and eBay hits, it's okay, I guess, but as a competitive review site, it's not even solid. :( --- Michelle (SeaShel) free the fish to reply >I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see > anyone point to us? > > Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net Gotta agree with Scott. Looks more like cut & pasted specs and press releases than actual reviews, with a bunch of buy links. Mark You might advertise as a one stop spec. pages of digital cameras >I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see > anyone point to us? > > Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net <quote> > You might advertise as a one stop spec. pages of digital cameras</quote> > >I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see > > anyone point to us? > > > > Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net I was also thinking of maybe setting up a bananna stand on a few pages and writing free press releases for the premium banana review site do you think I may have the qualifications necessary. I realize I need to come up with some better reviews but do you think that this might get my site past the growing pains a new site faces ? Thank you all for all the helpfull advice ! > <quote> > > You might advertise as a one stop spec. pages of digital [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thank you all for all the helpfull advice ! If you are going to review bananas don't forget the apple banana, they are the best. Seriously you seem to have a real attitude problem, you come here with something that is not much beyond spam and you get mad when people tell you that they don't see much beyond specs and ads. Take a few deep breaths and think about whether this is something you really want to do. You did not come here saying that you had the start of a web page how did people like it so far, you came here wanting to know why your site is not referenced, implying that you thought it was up to the same caliber as the other sites and should be sighted as a reference, well we have told you why it is not used as a reference and now you can either fix it or live with it the way it is. BTW people may try to help you with how to improve your site but you need to be aware that they are not at all obligated to do so. And don't forget the apple banana, they really are good. Scott Well I take offense to the implication that it is spam as some webmasters have found they had to eat their words. http://www.chillingeffects.org/acpa/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1526&print=yes I take offense to the thought that I would " Spam " You might want to choose your words more carefully as I see piles of crap posted in this group that has nothing to do with digital imaging or anything else to do with photography. At least mine is right on target with what this forum is about nice friendly photographers sharing their experiences and knowledge. > Well I take offense to the implication that it is spam as some > webmasters have found they had to eat their words. http://www.chillingeffects.org/acpa/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1526&print=yes > I take offense to the thought that I would " Spam " Are you saying that Hormel Foods Corporation is going to go after me for saying that you were not far from spaming? I think they would be going after a LOT of people in that case, there are 54,300,000 references to spam on the internet, at least the ones that google knows about. I am sorry but I stand by what I said at the beginning, what I see is mostly ads. Scott [snip] > Thank you all for all the helpfull advice ! Since you don't have a lot of time to spend reviewing cameras then perhaps you could create a page pointing people to digicam and digicam related sites. Some places to put on the page would be review sites, digicam related forums, how-to pages, manufacters pages, photo editor pages etc. Honest it was the spell checker. rotflmao I thought this was great advice so I think the first thing I will do is go to google.com and link to the " I just picked one " lets say the 3rd site and I will link to him, the guys site is just great and he seems to be a real gentlemen. http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=digicam+reviews&btnG=Google+Search Just a few tips Kevin, from one digital photography site owner to another. I agree with Erin regarding getting some quality content on your site. Simply rehashing press releases and product brochures and passing them off as "reviews" will probably get you nowhere. People are after hands on information about the cameras. i.e. what did it feel like in outdoor usage, how responsive were the functions, what the image quality was like, ergonomics and other features... instead of just "this camera has X megapixels and X zoom and functions X, Y and Z." Alternatively, you could follow KennyJR's point about being a reference site and linking to reviews from other sites. Oh but wait - that's already been done. (www.dcviews.com). :D Cheers, Julian Shuttertalk Owner and Editor-in-Chief http://www.shuttertalk.com - the friendliest digital photography forums on the net! "Kevin K" <info@bargainfindsonebay.com> wrote in message > I was also thinking of maybe setting up a bananna stand on a few pages > and writing free press releases for the premium banana review site do > you think I may have the qualifications necessary. I realize I need to > come up with some better reviews but do you think that this might get > my site past the growing pains a new site faces ? You need to try to provide some information that the established sites have overlooked. When I was looking for a digital slr I found that no site adequately addressed all the considerations and trade-offs that needed to be made, no site had an easy to compare table of features, and too many of the review sites were terrified to say anything bad about a specific model, for fear of offending advertisers. So I took the spreadsheet I had made up and added to it, and it became a web site. When people started complaining that I had ranked what they had purchased too low, I knew that I was doing something right! It looks like your site's goal is simply to get Amazon referral fees. But people are annoyed when it's so obvious, and will not click through. I've been pleasantly surprised with the few hundred dollars in referral fees that I've gotten from my site, given that it's relatively new, but the prime goal of the site was not to make a living, and I'm happy with a couple of hundred dollars per quarter in fees. Don't get too excited about the apparent number of hits. Hundreds, and even thousands of those hits are from automated bots that classify pages. I was shocked to see the number of hits to my sites until I realized what was going on. Steve http://digitalslrinfo.com > I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see > anyone point to us? > > Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net I've copied your URL into my Bookmarks, thanks. BTW, you might like to include a more obvious contact link. I noticed a typo on the first page (Key points) I went to...FZ20's have a hot shoe, not a horse shoe. And their most important Key Point, the Image Stabilizer, doesn't get a mention at all. SignatureYAnewsreader <I do solemnly promise to trim all quotations appropriately before replying> First, this is not a personal attack, OK? 1. Listen to the advice that you have solicited, most of these people are just trying to be helpful. 2. Don't try to compete with the other dozens of review websites. Go your own direction and make your site really useful. 3. Get both a spell checker and a grammar checker and learn how to use them. Also consider: Most community colleges have English grammar courses, sometimes on eves or weekends. 4. A small, well organized website with carefully researched articles will be well-received. 5. Consider hosting a forum on your site where folks can share knowledge on digital-photography techniques. You could organize, summarize, and further research the data into useful articles or FAQ's. It's not easy being successful. If it was, we'd all be rich & famous. Good luck, Jack > I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see > anyone point to us? > > Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net Thanks for the advice Jack, I believe your comments regarding my personal usage of the english language to be almost on a benevolent level. The forum thing is not gonna happen for now since I believe it would then be too easy for me to surpase the competition that way, as well its cheasy, which wouldn't be indicative of your above forementioned well founded opinions. I am right now about to get that spell checker and grammar checker I so obviously need. As far as being useful I think my sites doing a great job of laying it on the line what the camera has, what it doesn't and where to get it. Can you as well post a site I could have a look at that you have so I could maybe get a few pointers. I think I have something to say , and I say it well. I will never " Slam my audience with 5000 word pages of over information " I think thats the problem in the current industry is that its all " over information " . I think the other sites are just bloated. In regards to Ads, hey I guys got to pay the bills and I don't see the other websites Not running them, I am just a tad more obvious. But you will find what your looking for when you come to any-one of my websites and their very relevant. Thank you for all your advice this is turning out to be very helpful. > First, this is not a personal attack, OK? > 1. Listen to the advice that you have solicited, most of these people [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net Jack, I think you are underestimating Kevin K. I'll bet he is a graduate of the finest public (USA usage) school system known to man. He's also finished a finishing school and is as well-mannered as you could hope for in today's world. The only thing missing is that Ghod needs to tell him he should be president, or maybe just a digital camera review site webmaster. Any road, I commend you, Jack, on your good-heartedness and patience. If Kevin K has any sense at all he will take your advice, as well as that of others who have offered similar, and shape up his site and his self. For my part, I'll skip his posts until some of the replies indicate a change for the better. (My turn in the grumpy seat) SignatureFrank ess Frank wrote: > ... > (My turn in the grumpy seat) Dangnabit! <VBG> You stole the tone of my reply if he replies incorrectly... Jeff (never grumpy... No, really!) >I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see >anyone point to us? > >Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net I use Firefox,and when I use ctrl+ to increase text size, ot totally screws up the site. You're doing something non-standard in your HTML. It is not user-friendly, especially for those of us who need larger type. Did you write those reviews? They look amazingly like ad copy. You call these "reviews", but I see little to suggest you've handled these cameras, much less reviewed them. You also have a serious attitude problem, judging from what I've seen here. You came here asking us to look at your site, remember? What did you expect? SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a" I appologize if I am being perceived by you as having a attitude problem. I am reallying trying to get some feedback here from my site see bill I am right now getting thousands of hits on my website and no one is emailing me regarding it. Unfortunately this makes it very difficult to tailor a website for users if they don't tell me what to change. I am more than happy to change formats to whatever pleases my audience. I think I will have to ad a FeedBack Form so people can tell me what they think. Possibly some more interactivity would be better. Again thanks for the info. On 28 Mar 2005 20:42:17 -0800 In message <1112071337.853935.324020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Posted from http://groups.google.com Several comments: There are not too many ads. There are too many ads that are poorly placed on pages. For example, a "review" headline placed off to the right side of a page with ad text formatted directly underneath the headline is confusing. I agree with other's comments on "no substantial information". The two reviews I picked were quickly thrown together, and it's obvious you don't have much (if any) experience with the cameras reviewed. Your domain name is NOT one I would select for unbiased reviews. You might as well have a front door marked "SPAM INSIDE". Bargain Finds On eBay.com > I appologize if I am being perceived by you as > having a attitude problem. If others are perceiving an "attitude" problem, I would guess the real problem is a language barrier. What is your native language? > I am reallying trying to get some feedback here from my site > see bill I am right now getting thousands of hits on my website and no > one is emailing me regarding it. "thousands of hits" is usually a highly inflated number. A few people can generate a lot of raw client-server requests in a short period of time, especially when actively seeking advise from a usenet group. You probably won't get very many " Vote Up " responses for two reasons: 1) You will not get my eMail address to rate a camera. 2) What's a " Vote Up " ??? > Unfortunately this makes it very difficult to tailor a website for > users if they don't tell me what to change. You have asked and been answered here. Heed the advice. > I am more than happy to change formats to whatever pleases my audience. First the audience must be identified, then write for the audience. AFTER you do that, you may get feedback if you hit your mark. > I think I will have to ad a FeedBack Form so people can tell me what > they think. You've already gotten more feed back here in one day than you would with a month of FeedBack (it's Feedback, btw). > Possibly some more interactivity would be better. That depends... do you want to write video games or reviews? ;^) > Again thanks for the info. "Information R Us" ... heh Jeff I appologize again :( , I also noticed you misenterpreted my site like quite a few already hence why I am changing it from http://www.bargainfindsonebay.com to http://www.camera-reviews.net. The current domain name is pronounced Bargain Finds One Bay and not to be confused with the Online Garage Sale that sells cheap useless merchandise. I realize that this was a poor choice in domain names. I will 301 the domain to the following domain and make the later root within 60 days to remove confusion since eBay has already asked google to remove one listing and they did. As I realize the following domain name is alot more auspicious than the first so I must create a new site layout that will refect the site " Flavor " again as not to confuse my readers. I am trying to provide the best reviews possible and the most unobtrusive ads as possible. BTW I changed the ratings page and front page as asked. I also don't know what my ethnic background maters but I am half ukranian and half yugoslavian Basically it means I like to fight with my neighbours and eat lots of perogies. I hope to create alot better reviews in the future thanks again for the helpful advice. On 28 Mar 2005 23:36:33 -0800 In message <1112081793.244811.275540@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Posted from http://groups.google.com > I also noticed you misenterpreted my site like quite a few already Have you considered that you might not be communicating your intent as intended? No one has misinterpreted your web site. > hence why I am changing it from http://www.bargainfindsonebay.com to > http://www.camera-reviews.net. That would be a mistake at this point in time. When your site has product review of note, then a change would be appropriate. Change it now and you will be a bottom feeder skimming click-through pennies from people who know nothing at all about cameras. Do you know how much money and time it would take to review all the cameras on sale AT THIS TIME? > The current domain name is pronounced > Bargain Finds One Bay I don't believe that for one second. Your english is too good to be able to sell that one. Nice try, though. <G> > and not to be confused with the Online Garage > Sale that sells cheap useless merchandise. I realize that this was a > poor choice in domain names. I will 301 the domain to the following > domain and make the later root within 60 days to remove confusion since > eBay has already asked google to remove one listing and they did. ?? "eBay has already asked google to ?? remove one listing and they did" What does that comment have to do with anything? Google doesn't listen to anyone except the United States Government. > As I realize the following domain name is alot more auspicious than the > first so I must create a new site layout that will refect the site " > Flavor " Since you have ignored my specific comments, I'll join 'ol grumpy after writing this reply. Take heed to an old saying: You can't judge a book by it's cover. Comments have been made as you requested, correctly observing that you have no reviews on your web site. There is an interesting twist to most "old sayings" that appear in many languages: they have a flip side. The flip side to this one is: You can't change a book by changing the cover. > again as not to confuse my readers. I am trying to provide > the best reviews possible and the most unobtrusive ads as possible. > BTW I changed the ratings page and front page as asked. I didn't ask. (see next comment) > I also don't know what my ethnic background maters but I am half > ukranian and half yugoslavian Your ethnic background is irrelevant. You need to expand your understanding of english before expanding and promoting your web site. > Basically it means I like to fight with my neighbours and eat lots of > perogies. > > I hope to create alot better reviews in the future thanks again for the > helpful advice. Jeff (off to join the old and grumpy :-) Or you could just target an audience that speaks (reads? :D) a language that you're familiar with, by writing your site in your native tongue. That might be quite successful - there aren't many multilingual digital camera sites out there... Jules http://www.shuttertalk.com - the friendliest digital photography forums on the net! >> I also don't know what my ethnic background maters but I am half >> ukranian and half yugoslavian >Your ethnic background is irrelevant. You need to expand your >understanding of english before expanding and promoting your web site. > Unfortunately this makes it very difficult to tailor a website for > users if they don't tell me what to change. It doesn't work like that. You have to do some work for your money. All the major browsers are free or have trial versions - download them and test them. The W3C's HTML validation service for your site is here: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bargainfindsonebay.com%2F And what the heck is that Bargain Finds On Ebay crap? If you expect your http://www.camera-reviews.net website be taken seriously at least arrange things so it keeps that name. > I am more than happy to change formats to whatever pleases my audience. > I think I will have to ad a FeedBack Form so people can tell me what > they think. Unless you at least make an effort to do a professional job you won't get any repeat visitors, let alone people who are prepared to put in the time to help you improve. Decent websites don't just appear from thin air and a bunch of advert referrals, as you've clearly found out. SignatureThe email address used to post is a spam pit. Contact me at http://www.derekfountain.org : <a href="http://www.derekfountain.org/">Derek Fountain</a> OMG WOW 17 errors thanks Derek I had no Idea my coding was so bad. I will try and improve this immediately ! I realize that my website is no where near what it should be. I am a amateur so I will never be as few errors per 1000 lines of code of such large corporations such as microsoft. As this site is very new I just started it yesterday on a whimb I knew I had a long road ahead before I start seeing results. I Since my website started last month I have seen only but a few ad cents and still havent sold a single camera. I just keep plugging away here as I live in a adobe house in bagdad right now and airconditioning isn't available. I realized now when I checked my raw logs that all those thousands were just googlebot :( I guess I still am never going to see and search engine traffic. > I see alot of post about digital camera review sites but I never see > anyone point to us? > > Digital Camera Reviews - http://www.camera-reviews.net There are no reviews on your site. You list the camera's features, and have a link to Amazon so you can get affiliate fees. Nothing wrong with this, but you shouldn't call it a review site. |
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