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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / March 2005Dual-Layer TDK "Armor Plated DVDs"?
Hi, I have had a hard time keeping my DVD backups (data) unscathed. I carry them in a case and have to travel a lot so many of my disks become hard to read after awhile (I do not touch the media side, they do not stay out of my case [well now I just use jewel cases but that is a pain in the a.s]) due to something like smudge looking scratches that seem to happen eventually after carrying them around long enough. I wanted to get a dual layer burner and some of the TDK "Armor plated DVDs" (or other brand that is equally as durable?) but I also wanted to consolidate my stuff a bit and get dual layer disks, problem is in looking around I haven't been able to find any "armor plated" dual-layer DVDs. Does anyone out there know of any brands (I hear Imation has something similar) that are as durable and have dual layers? Any help or a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated! -Gaiko > Hi, I have had a hard time keeping my DVD backups (data) unscathed. I > carry them in a case and have to travel a lot so many of my disks [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > layers? Any help or a point in the right direction would be greatly > appreciated! We should keep all your data on a hard drive, too. The 300GB drives are cheap and you can store them, too. Some quick math (scary for me) shows you can fit 75 DVD's on a 300GB drive. Not as cheap, but easy to access and then you have your data on two mediums. I'm going this route soon - I've got the drives I just need to start copying the DVD's to disc with my fingers crossed. > > Hi, I have had a hard time keeping my DVD backups (data) unscathed. I > > carry them in a case and have to travel a lot so many of my disks > > become hard to read after awhile (I do not touch the media side, they [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > you have your data on two mediums. I'm going this route soon - I've got the > drives I just need to start copying the DVD's to disc with my fingers > crossed. A agree but due to my exessive travel i am restricted to a laptop, I don't think 300gb internal drives are an option and 300gb externals are a bit pricy however you are totally right about a backup which is why I #1 keep copies of all my stuff on my Brothers exessivly large Raid 1 setup (hes close to a terrabyte [does lots of multimedia] so he can spare the space) and #2 I have backup copies of my DVDs. It should be noted though that your calculation seems to be for 4.7GB disks, I am looking for dual-layer 8+GB disks which would just about cut the bulk in half (of what it would be for sigle layer disks). Cheers -Gaiko Check with these guys for premium archival stuff: http://www.mam-a.com/Default.htm Just one addition to the excellent suggestion about high capacity hard drives: try to get a USB version or, if you can use a screwdriver, a simple USB 2.0 enclosure (fifty bucks or less) for the drive, which you can now connect to any or all computers you or your family have at home or work. I have kept one in the back of my car for a long time with important images and data in case the ole homestead burns down. They're more durable than dvd's or cd's. These enclosures are great for hard drives one no longer needs. I recently yanked a six gig drive from an old and unused subnote, put it in a nifty little five dollar enclosure purchased on eBay and have a very useful device for file transfer, or backing up important files while on a trip. >>Hi, I have had a hard time keeping my DVD backups (data) unscathed. I >>carry them in a case and have to travel a lot so many of my disks [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > drives I just need to start copying the DVD's to disc with my fingers > crossed. In rec.photo.digital gaikokujinkyofusho@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, I have had a hard time keeping my DVD backups (data) unscathed. I > carry them in a case and have to travel a lot so many of my disks [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > layers? Any help or a point in the right direction would be greatly > appreciated! It is hard to find dual-layer DVDs at all, little enough armor plated. In all honesty, until the price comes down to match the storage space, I would just use to regular DVD+-R disks. That will run you less than $2 rather than around $7.  SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. > In rec.photo.digital gaikokujinkyofusho@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > would just use to regular DVD+-R disks. That will run you less than $2 > rather than around $7. I got a TDK DVD-RW Single layer that employes TDKs latest scratch proof technology. Whilst it may have been scratch proof - it only allowed me to write data to it twice before it became useless. >In rec.photo.digital gaikokujinkyofusho@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >would just use to regular DVD+-R disks. That will run you less than $2 >rather than around $7. If you watch the weekly special at Best Buy and CompUSA, 8x DVD media is under 50 cents a disc. Dual layer media is indeed still up around $7. >It is hard to find dual-layer DVDs at all, little enough armor plated. >In all honesty, until the price comes down to match the storage space, I >would just use to regular DVD+-R disks. That will run you less than $2 >rather than around $7. If you're paying anywhere near $2 per DVD, you're just not shopping hard enough. :-) I can get DVD-/+Rs for under $.50 all day long locally, and for less watching the Sunday ads. DL DVDs, OTH, are expensive locally; a 3-pack is about $20! Just under $7 each. SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a" In rec.photo.digital Big Bill <bill@pipping.com> wrote: > If you're paying anywhere near $2 per DVD, you're just not shopping > hard enough. :-) > I can get DVD-/+Rs for under $.50 all day long locally, and for less > watching the Sunday ads. Go back and read what I wrote ;-) I indicated using 2 DVD+-R rather than one dual-layer disk. I then indicated that it would cost less than $2 (meaning less than $1 per disk). I usually by DVDs in packs of 25 or 50, and it is around 80 cents a piece, but smaller packs are around $1 / disk, so I just chose that as a good maximum. > DL DVDs, OTH, are expensive locally; a 3-pack is about $20! Just under > $7 each. Which is about what I said ;-) SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. >In rec.photo.digital Big Bill <bill@pipping.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >50, and it is around 80 cents a piece, but smaller packs are around $1 / >disk, so I just chose that as a good maximum. Sorry, I saw the "to" where you meant "two" ("I would just use to regular DVD+-R disks"), and lost it. >> DL DVDs, OTH, are expensive locally; a 3-pack is about $20! Just under >> $7 each. > >Which is about what I said ;-) SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a" In rec.photo.digital Big Bill <bill@pipping.com> wrote: > Sorry, I saw the "to" where you meant "two" ("I > would just use to regular DVD+-R disks"), and lost it. Yeah .. I type faster than I think sometimes. In another post I wrote "by" rather than "buy". I think DL-DVD will remain high for awhile as the movie industry really hates that they have been made generally available. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. >In rec.photo.digital Big Bill <bill@pipping.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I think DL-DVD will remain high for awhile as the movie industry really >hates that they have been made generally available. What I think will keep the prices up for DL is the iminent arrival of BlueRay DVDs. Remember the small CD-Rs? The USB thumb-drives killed them. The blue laser DVDs will kill off DL DVDs simply because the DL discs aren't going to be cost effective before the blue laser drives arrive. When you can go to the store and buy the DVD you want cheaper than buying a DL disc to copy the movie onto (with the attendant hassle), why bother? SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a" I found a Simple Tech 250 gig external USB 2.0 HDD for under $160 before shipping at Amazon. Since I think maybe a hard drive is faster, tougher, cheaper and more flexible than DL DVD's, maybe you should take a look at that option? > Hi, I have had a hard time keeping my DVD backups (data) unscathed. I > carry them in a case and have to travel a lot so many of my disks [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -Gaiko [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Kitt <niteman3d@gmail.com>], who wrote in article <1111094909.844889.162980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: > I found a Simple Tech 250 gig external USB 2.0 HDD for under $160 > before shipping at Amazon. Since I think maybe a hard drive is faster, > tougher, cheaper and more flexible than DL DVD's, maybe you should take > a look at that option? I have no experience with this, but that is what I heard: you put an HD into an enclosure - you get a very short estimated time to failure. And this "very short" is at least an order of magnitude lower than DVDs (unless you carry them unprotected). Non-notebook drives just are not designed to work when yo can accidentally bump them, drop them, etc. Even the notebook ones are not taking high g when attached to several-kg notebook. So unless you screw the enclosure to something stable before switching it on, forget about it... If you believe this, HD-in-an-enclosure is not a viable way to backup DVD-Rs. Currently I write several copies on Tayo Yunden media (30 cents a platter at meritline), keep one copy unused, out of heat and direct sunlight, and just pray... Hope this helps, Ilya > [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to > Kitt [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you put an HD into an enclosure - you get a very short estimated > time to failure. This is correct for external USB drives. I have gone through several in less than 2 years. Frankly, I think they put marginal drives in the enclosures. They only warrant for a year, versus five for drives installed in a computer. > [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to > Kitt [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Hope this helps, > Ilya right, the hdd in the enclosure will be perfect for what you are doing, the only thing is if you are using it with a notebook you will have to make sure it doesnt move about too much, you dont have to go to extrems like screwing it down first, it should be ok and as long as your not too rough with it, it should last for ages [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to wee_luke <weeluke2005@hotmail.com>], who wrote in article <Xns962A1E2B92D7653180087@217.32.252.50>: > > And this "very short" is at least an order of magnitude lower than > > DVDs (unless you carry them unprotected). Non-notebook drives just > > are not designed to work when yo can accidentally bump them, drop > > them, etc. Even the notebook ones are not taking high g when attached > > to several-kg notebook. So unless you screw the enclosure to > > something stable before switching it on, forget about it... > right, the hdd in the enclosure will be perfect for what you are doing, > the only thing is if you are using it with a notebook you will have to > make sure it doesnt move about too much, you dont have to go to extrems > like screwing it down first, it should be ok and as long as your not > too rough with it, it should last for ages I repeat: I have not used this setup. However, what I saw reported on Usenet, and my (same as everybody's ;-() experience with Parkinson's laws suggests that what you say may be just wishful thinking... Yours, Ilya |
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