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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / ZLR Cameras / April 2005

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ZLR?? You mean EVF !!!

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David Mitchell - 18 Mar 2005 09:02 GMT
What is a zlr??

It does not exist. Neither do "SLR-like" cameras. Either you have an
SLR or you don´t. You people are fooling yourselves if you think your
crappy point and shoot zooms have anything to do with an SLR. Please
change the name of this group as it is an abomination to serious
photographers.

D. Mitchell
David J Taylor - 18 Mar 2005 10:45 GMT
The name of the newsgroup cannot now be changed.  For your interest, here
is the charter with which the group was founded.

David
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CHARTER: rec.photo.digital.zlr

This newsgroup, rec.photo.digital.zlr, is an open forum for the discussion
of
high-end digital cameras with fixed zoom lenses and full manual controls,
and
using those cameras. These cameras are frequently referred to as digital
ZLR
(zoom lens reflex) cameras or SLR-like digital cameras, and typically have
an
SLR-like appearance due to the bulk of the lens rather than the relatively
more
compact shape of most point-and-shoot digital cameras.

Additional On-Topic Discussion:

- Any relevant accessories for digital ZLR cameras, such as: external
flash
 units, add-on lens elements, memory cards, microdrives, lens
filters/hoods,
 camera bags/cases, digital ZLR maintenance, tripods and monopods.
- Photography techniques, as long as the discussion remains within the
context
 of digital ZLR photography
- Image post-processing, as long as the discussion remains within the
context
 of digital ZLR photography
- Posting links to personal photo galleries or images, as long as the
 discussion remains within the context of digital ZLR photography.

What Is Considered Off-Topic:

- Discussion of "point and shoot" digital cameras with no manual controls
- Discussion of any film cameras
- Discussion of cameras with mounts for detachable lenses
- Discussion of scanners
- Discussion of printers
- Posting links to personal photo galleries or images, not in the context
of
 digital ZLR photography

Posting off-topic should be kept to a minimum. All off-topic posts should
be
prefixed with [OT] or another easily-identifiable prefix in the subject
line.
If a segment of any on topic thread ever becomes clearly off-topic, it is
the
duty of those individuals posting to change the subject line to reflect
the
off-topic change.

Debating the pros and cons of digital photography vs. film photography is
off-topic. Please be polite and try to not steer any conversations in that
direction. In the event that any segment of any on-topic thread ever
becomes
clearly off-topic by debating the pros and cons of digital photography vs.
film
photography, it is the duty of those individuals posting to change the
subject
line to reflect the off-topic change.

What Is Considered Inappropriate:

- Crossposting to any other newsgroup except where the post is of direct
 relevance to each group in the crosspost

What Is Not Permitted:

- Posts from mail2news gateways and/or anonymous remailers
- Flame wars (comparisons between different digital camera brands or
models are
 permitted as long as they do not degenerate into personal flames)
- Signatures with more than 4 lines
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- Personal attacks
- Binary postings (i.e. non text postings) other than PGP and small binary
 signatures
- Commercial advertisements:

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kind,
whether personal, private or commercial, as well as all other promotional
material, whether or not it is in any way related to photography.

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END CHARTER.
Larry - 18 Mar 2005 11:17 GMT
> What is a zlr??
>
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>
> D. Mitchell

If you should ever meet a serious photographer, be sure to let us know.

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Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct.

Ken - 18 Mar 2005 16:11 GMT
> What is a zlr??
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> change the name of this group as it is an abomination to serious
> photographers.

If serious photographers are pedantic elitist snobs then offending them is a
duty that serves the greater good of mankind.
Per Nordenberg - 18 Mar 2005 18:26 GMT
> What is a zlr??
>
> It does not exist. Neither do "SLR-like" cameras. Either you have an
> SLR or you don´t.

What do you call Olympus' E-10 and E-20 models then?

Regards,

Per Nordenberg
jwjensen356@sbcglobal.net - 05 Apr 2005 05:19 GMT
In a related question, what is my Olympus C-2100 (sometimes referred to as
an UZI)?  This is a serious question.  I do want to know.

John

>> What is a zlr??
>>
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>
> Per Nordenberg
David J Taylor - 05 Apr 2005 07:58 GMT
> In a related question, what is my Olympus C-2100 (sometimes referred
> to as an UZI)?  This is a serious question.  I do want to know.
>
> John

It has full manual controls and an SLR-like shape, so yes.
Welcome to the group!

David
jwjensen356@sbcglobal.net - 10 Apr 2005 19:46 GMT
Thanks. Glad to be aboard.  I have lots of other caneras but find I take
most of my pictures these days with my UZI.

John

>> In a related question, what is my Olympus C-2100 (sometimes referred
>> to as an UZI)?  This is a serious question.  I do want to know.
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>
> David
Bram - 11 Apr 2005 18:38 GMT
> > It does not exist. Neither do "SLR-like" cameras. Either you have an
> > SLR or you don´t.
>
> What do you call Olympus' E-10 and E-20 models then?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but those are SLR's. The fact that
you can't detach their lenses doesn't change anything from the
fact that the viewfinder is optical and through the lens.

Actually.. I can show you a picture of the E-10 box (I still
have one sitting in a closet) saying it is a "Digital SLR".
so at least Oly says they are SLRs..
YANewsreader - 18 Mar 2005 18:41 GMT
> It does not exist. Neither do "SLR-like" cameras. Either you have an
> SLR or you don?t. You people are fooling yourselves if you think your
> crappy point and shoot zooms have anything to do with an SLR. Please
> change the name of this group as it is an abomination to serious
> photographers.

Then I suggest serious photographers stay away from it. There are over
20 thousand newsgroups out there, so if you don't like our rules, please
take your ball and go home.

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YAnewsreader
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replying>

colinstone@hotmail.com - 18 Mar 2005 21:59 GMT
> What is a zlr??
>
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>
> D. Mitchell

One can be a serious photographer with a Kodak Brownie 120, as I was as
a kid - a camera that was probably around long before your time.
Having an SLR does not automatically make you a better or more serious
photographer and clearly for you is just an extension of your body.
Stay in the play pen until you have something useful to say, petulence
is not a pleasant trait in any walk of life.
measekite - 18 Mar 2005 22:27 GMT
Why is all this chatter about this bullshit.  Are we kids or adults?

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>
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Roland Karlsson - 18 Mar 2005 22:05 GMT
> What is a zlr??

It means zoom reflex camera and Oly E-10 end E-20 are ZLR.

> It does not exist. Neither do "SLR-like" cameras. Either you have an
> SLR or you don?t. You people are fooling yourselves if you think your
> crappy point and shoot zooms have anything to do with an SLR. Please
> change the name of this group as it is an abomination to serious
> photographers.

The name of this news group is ZLR. It is not correct, as I have
told here before. But ... the charter defines what is meant by ZLR
in this news group. You may or you may not like it - but so it is.
Unfortunately you may think - but the only thing you can do if you
are offended is to go somewhere else. BTW - there are thousands of
news groups with not so optimal names. So - if you are easyly offended
by this - I recommend you to stay away from news.

> D. Mitchell

Come to think about it: Are you a Troll?
Woodchuck Bill - 23 Mar 2005 22:20 GMT
>> What is a zlr??
>
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> news groups with not so optimal names. So - if you are easyly
> offended by this - I recommend you to stay away from news.

As soon as I saw the subject line, I thought to myself...Roland
Karlsson will be in this thread. Low and behold, I am correct! ZLR is a
nickname, inspired by the acronym you posted above. It is not to be
taken literally, as has been explained to you dozens of times before.

> Come to think about it: Are you a Troll?

It takes one to know one. ;-)

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Bill

Roland Karlsson - 24 Mar 2005 14:06 GMT
> As soon as I saw the subject line, I thought to myself...Roland
> Karlsson will be in this thread. Low and behold, I am correct! ZLR is a
> nickname, inspired by the acronym you posted above. It is not to be
> taken literally, as has been explained to you dozens of times before.

Was anything in what I wrote incorrect?
Did anything in my post hint at that I do not
already understand what you now are so kindly
telling me?

>> Come to think about it: Are you a Troll?
>
> It takes one to know one. ;-)

Your smiley is not appreciated.
Your post I find offensive.
Please stop responding with your insinuation posts
about me and my posts every time I post.
We are discussing ZLR here and not other posters posts.
Are you sitting there just waiting for Mr Karlsson
to post about ZLR - so you can spawn your own
posts about my posts? If you are totally uninterested
in what I write - why do you bother? Get a life.

/Roland
YAnewswatcher - 24 Mar 2005 20:47 GMT
> As soon as I saw the subject line, I thought to myself...Roland
> Karlsson will be in this thread. Low and behold, I am correct! ZLR is a
> nickname, inspired by the acronym you posted above. It is not to be
> taken literally, as has been explained to you dozens of times before.

I think the easiest solution is to put Karlsson in the Kill file.

There. 'Tis done!

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YAnewsWatcher.

Roland Karlsson - 25 Mar 2005 16:50 GMT
YAnewswatcher <umustbjoking@ihug.co.nz> wrote in news:umustbjoking-
C94F1E.07474325032005@lust.ihug.co.nz:

> I think the easiest solution is to put Karlsson in the Kill file.
>
> There. 'Tis done!

Your welcome :)

BTW - did you read what I wrote?
I actually defended the name ZLR.

OK - OK - I know - you kill-filed me - so
you cannot read this. But you obviously
could not read the post that made you killfile
me either.

/Roland
Alan Browne - 21 Apr 2005 00:31 GMT
> What is a zlr??
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> change the name of this group as it is an abomination to serious
> photographers.

You're an abomination to politeness and form.  Blow off.

*Plonk*

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