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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / ZLR Cameras / September 2006Canon Powershot G7
The G7 camera is due to be released in November. Can I safely assume that the "G" series is the most sophistocated P&S that Canon markets? > The G7 camera is due to be released in November. > Can I safely assume that the "G" series is the most > sophistocated P&S that Canon markets? I would see the lack of RAW output, the limited zoom (200mm), lack of swivel LCD, and lack of EVF making the "most sophisticated P&S" not applicable. In fact, many of the Canon DSLRs can operate in P&S mode...... David >> The G7 camera is due to be released in November. >> Can I safely assume that the "G" series is the most [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > swivel LCD, and lack of EVF making the "most sophisticated P&S" not > applicable. You could make an argument either way. It has a flash hotshoe, more pixels and a bigger sensor than the nearest competitor (the S3IS), an optical viewfinder (preferred by many over an EVF), etc. I'm a little surprised that they didn't try to focus more on the wide-angle range of focal lengths, leaving the long zoom regime to the S3. > In fact, many of the Canon DSLRs can operate in P&S mode...... Heh. -dms wierd my G2 has raw mode , is it something they dropped because hardly "'any'' of the punters use it ???? >> The G7 camera is due to be released in November. >> Can I safely assume that the "G" series is the most [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > David > wierd my G2 has raw mode , is it something they dropped because hardly > "'any'' of the punters use it ???? I dont get it either. Yeah, I've heard the arguments about cannibalizing DSLR sales, diminishing market for "bridge" cameras, etc. etc. - but does Canon not realize that there is a significant market out there that *does* want a full-featured small camera? Surely this market has to be bigger than the number of people willing to py $1500 for a 50mm lens. I like my G6, but the shutter lag could use some real improvement. The G7 has that, and is in black as well (and there was great rejoicing! yay!!!) - I can live with the SD card and different batteries. At a pinch, I'll deal with the non-twisty LCD. But a slower lens is getting a bit iffy, and lack of RAW kills it for me. I am at a complete loss why so many otherwise excellent camera dont come with RAW - or, if they do, have a painful lag (Sony R1, Fuji E9000, Kodak P880, etc). Take a Panasonic FZ30, add an APS-C sensor, faster RAW capabilities, and a lens going out to 28mm on the wide end --> tell me this camera wont sell like hotcakes. Vandit > Take a Panasonic FZ30, add an APS-C sensor, faster RAW capabilities, > and a lens going out to 28mm on the wide end --> tell me this camera > wont sell like hotcakes. I officially herewith place an order. That's exactly the cam I have been wanting for quite some time now. For the time being I'll just stick with my G5... Cheers robert > Take a Panasonic FZ30, add an APS-C sensor, faster RAW capabilities, > and a lens going out to 28mm on the wide end --> tell me this camera > wont sell like hotcakes. An FZ30 with an APS sensor would be an enormous beast. Look at the Sony R1 for starters, and then make the lens twice as long or thereabouts. Cost would go up in proportion; the Sony lists for $1k, and this hypothetical camera would probably be $1500ish. The superzooms are practical because of their small sensors; with big sensors, they would need big (and pricey) glass bolted to the front end to make them work. -dms > > Take a Panasonic FZ30, add an APS-C sensor, faster RAW capabilities, > > and a lens going out to 28mm on the wide end --> tell me this camera > > wont sell like hotcakes. > An FZ30 with an APS sensor would be an enormous beast. Look at the Sony > R1 for starters, and then make the lens twice as long or thereabouts. > > The superzooms are practical because of their small sensors; with big > sensors, they would need big (and pricey) glass bolted to the front end > to make them work. Sorry, I forgot about the superzoom - I was thinking of the other desirable characteristics of the FZ30: manual zoom ring, decent EVF, good lens. You are absolutely correct that this would be painfully large and expensive. Forget superzoom - give me 24-85mm, ala the Nikon 8400. Or even 28-105 or so. I keep hearing that the market for this is too small. Poppycock, I think. Surely the market for a camera like this is bigger than the market for a $1500 50/1.2 lens. The other argument is - it will eat into DSLR sales. Well, the way I see it is - if someone is buying this camera instead of a DSLR, they need just this focal length. So the manufacturer has lost the sales of one DSLR and one lens. Fine - price this camera to make an equivalent margin off this sale. Also take into account the benefit of incremental sales to existing DSLR users, as well as people who will buy this camera instead of other brands of DSLRs. The "doesnt make economic sense" theory doesnt hold, either. Heck, even limit the camera in some other way - say, no onboard flash, reduced burst mode, ISO up to 400/800 only. That would make a DSLR clearly more capable in more situations, but would also allow this camera to be used as a workable, high-quality tool that doesnt compromise on quality in certain specific applications (the current crop of digicams compromise across all applications... that's my main beef). Even assuming that for some unknown reason it doesnt make sense for Canon to make this camera. What about Pentax? They arent exactly setting the world on fire with their DSLRs. Make this, and you'll eat dino-sized chunks out of Canikon. Vandit >> > Take a Panasonic FZ30, add an APS-C sensor, faster RAW capabilities, >> > and a lens going out to 28mm on the wide end --> tell me this camera [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > large and expensive. Forget superzoom - give me 24-85mm, ala the Nikon > 8400. Or even 28-105 or so. That's basically a Sony R1, but with some of the more annoying niggles smoothed out. Call it an "R2", if you will. I have no idea whether or not the R1 has sold well enough to warrant a successor, but I would imagine that Sony knows one way or the other. -dms > That's basically a Sony R1, but with some of the more annoying niggles > smoothed out. Call it an "R2", if you will. > > I have no idea whether or not the R1 has sold well enough to warrant a > successor, but I would imagine that Sony knows one way or the other. True. The Sony comes very close in function - and I almost ordered one the day I saw the specs. But it isnt there yet, and I am not sure if Sony will release an R2. The one other serious issue with the R1 is size - it is pretty much SLR sized, in which case one might as well buy a DSLR. Also, it should be possible to make this whole camera more compact as well. After all, film compact cameras had tiny lenses that covered the full 35mm sensor. It doesnt have to be tiny or pocketable - say, the size of the Canon Pro1 or a wee bit bigger. And a lot lighter than the R1 too. It can be done - the Leica M8 is proof that the body doesnt have to be that big. If I were Sony or even Pentax, that's the camera I'd be throwing my money at, hoping to stick it to Canikon. Vandit |
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