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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / ZLR Cameras / December 2004bait & switch usaphotonation.com
Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. In my case they advertised a new Nikon 8080 on their website at an unbeatable low price. So, I ordered it on their website, along with some accessories. Soon after I got a phone call from their salesmen saying he needed my security code. After I gave it to him, he lied and mislead me into changing or adding to the accessories (I even hung up on him and he called back immediately). Moreover, I am partially deaf and had difficulty understanding some of what he said (this is why I buy online). When the goods arrived, they did not include a $299 flashcard I ordered. Moreover, I soon found out that most of the accessories I had bought, thanks to the salesmen, did not fit my camera, or were otherwise undesirable. So, I sent the company an email about the missing flashcard, and received a response saying I should contact them by phone (the only company on the internet that has responded in this way to an email). Explaining that I was hard of hearing, and realizing the trouble I had before with a salesmen, I sent them an additional email explaining this and noting also that I wanted to return most of the accessories. No response. Sent a warning. No response. Sent a final email, just to be sure. No response. In the meantime, in spite of my hearing difficulty, I finally tried to call them, but the phone was either busy, or when I got through, I got a message to leave a message, which I did. No return call. I have ended up without a $300 flash card I ordered and about $600 worth of useless or undesirable accessories. So, I have contested their credit card charge with my bank. >Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. Those of us that research companies before we buy from them already knew about this outfit, if you had done even a little checking you would have known about them too. Call your credit card company and dispute the charges. > Don't buy from ***************. As this may be of general interest rather than ZLR-specific please post it in rec.photo.digital and not here. (See group charter). Thanks, David > > Don't buy from ***************. > > As this may be of general interest rather than ZLR-specific please post it > in rec.photo.digital and not here. (See group charter). Maybe he felt that only ZLR owners, or at least people who thought that the ZLR group was a cool idea were likely to be taken in by such a scam? B >>> Don't buy from ***************. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that the ZLR group was a cool idea were likely to be taken in by such > a scam? Unlikely, as it was posted to other groups as well. David >Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. I found their rating: http://resellerratings.com/seller8278.html Kind of low. If you haven't already you should add your story there. There was no address at resellerratings. So I did a whois on the domain name. I find a Brooklyn area phone number, but no address. Also no address at their web site. (Maybe they don't want me taking their picture!) A reverse lookup on the web site local phone number produces: Radio Active 164-15 Jamaica Ave. Jamaica, NY 11432 This is just a little ways from Brooklyn. Note the early closing on Friday and being closed on Saturday. Don <donwiss at panix.com>. >>Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Don <donwiss at panix.com>. A Google shows a residential listing just north of Belmont Park Race Track ... R. Tomers Floral Park, NY 11001 (718) 526-8080  Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' >>>Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. >> There was no address at resellerratings. So I did a whois on the domain >> name. I find a Brooklyn area phone number, but no address. Also no address [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Floral Park, NY 11001 >(718) 526-8080 Hmm... Well, I'll take Verizon's Yellow Pages reverse lookup over whatever google does. Anyway. I just spent three hours bicycling out there to get a picture of Radio Active. Give me a couple hours and I'll get it on the web. Here's a web page with the phone number: http://www.pricescan.com/vendors/radioactivedeals.asp But then going to their site at: http://www.radioactivedeals.com/contact.asp I find a different 718 phone number, but the same fax number that is on the USAphotonation.com site. Then a whois on radioactivedeals.com finds this same phone number. And the address I just took a picture of. Don <donwiss at panix.com>. >>>>Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Don <donwiss at panix.com>. Well, I guess I could've called (718) 526-8080 before I posted earlier, but I rang it just now and the menu options are definitely that of radioactivedeals.com. So you're listing seems more appropriate than Google's - unless R. Tomers is surreptitiously living in the attic. :) Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' >Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. Okay. It wasn't all that cold today, so I bicycled out for a picture. The next day I could go, Wednesday, is forecast to be very cold. Dusk was setting in when I got there, but I did get there in time. You can see a lot of shoppers out for Christmas shopping! http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/h0101.htm Don <donwiss at panix.com>. >>Don't buy from USAphotonation.com. It is a bait and switch operation. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Don <donwiss at panix.com>. I noticed they have a "for rent" sign out - maybe R. Tomers moved out of the attic. :) Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' Guys, This isn't ZLR-specific, and would be of interest to a wide audience. More people would see this thread if it were in rec.photo.digital. Cheers, David Is it your intention to have a news group with no postings? Are you the self appointed moderator of an unmoderated group? About half the threads in this group contain a post by you objecting to the posts of others. While I agree that some postings should in fact be questioned, if you continue to haze people because their posts don't perfectly meet your interpretation of the charter's requirements, you'll soon have one of those groups that have a post every two weeks or so until they die altogether. With thousands of alternatives out there, folks really don't need a group with it's own built in net nanny anymore than they need the ones with the flame artists and junk peddlers. Do as you wish, but it's my opinion that you're being more harmful than helpful. > Is it your intention to have a news group with no postings? Are you > the self appointed moderator of an unmoderated group? About half the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > peddlers. Do as you wish, but it's my opinion that you're being more > harmful than helpful. Kitt, I am sorry that you don't agree that identifying a problem supplier deserves a wide audience than purely the readers of this newsgroup. This newsgroup is not moderated, but does have a charter, by which the users should abide. I see the charter as a document which will be interpreted by the users of the newsgroup, but I suspect that many of the new posters will not have studied the charter before posting. Let's work together to maximise the value of this group to its members! David Whether something deserves or can get a wider audience isn't my point. Nor is it my point that a certain camera isn't on topic, etc. Telling people that their posts aren't welcome is something that should be done as infrequently as possible if you want to build a well used and useful newsgroup. Some folks get offended and leave, never to return. Others may well respond defensively and escalate to flaming, which can also lose a contributor via another route. My point is that censorship will result in responses you may not want and it should be applied very judiciously to avoid just that. > Whether something deserves or can get a wider audience isn't my point. > Nor is it my point that a certain camera isn't on topic, etc. Telling [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > result in responses you may not want and it should be applied very > judiciously to avoid just that. Since I was a contributor to this thread, I'll toss in a comment.... I didn't consider David's comment to be abusive nor coercive at all, and I didn't feel unwelcome either. Rather he's just trying to help spread information he considers to be too important for a single newsgroup, and I'm not certain I disagree within the context of this thread. You're both trying to help, as are many others, and I think it's important everyone know this as well. Looking forward to more help from everyone. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' > Is it your intention to have a news group with no postings? Are you > the self appointed moderator of an unmoderated group? About half the > threads in this group contain a post by you objecting to the posts of > others. While I agree that some postings should in fact be questioned, As this is a new newsgroup, setting the tone is quite important. David is correct in that this NG is zlr specific and that the intent of the OP is best given via the more general rpd. > if you continue to haze people because their posts don't perfectly meet > your interpretation of the charter's requirements, you'll soon have one > of those groups that have a post every two weeks or so until they die > altogether. Not at all. This NG has been growing slowly and steadilly since its inception early last month. It is good to see the on-topic stuff and good to encourage on-topic posting. In the case fo the ZLR group w/o having to wade through the morass that rpd has become. > With thousands of alternatives out there, folks really > don't need a group with it's own built in net nanny anymore than they > need the ones with the flame artists and junk peddlers. Do as you > wish, but it's my opinion that you're being more harmful than helpful. I don't concur. There are a few well intentioned people who will nudge things along the right way without becominig netcops. And it is good if occasionally irritating. Much less irritating than an out of control NG. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. They did the same thing to me. I ordered a Nikon 4800, and the next day they called me to tell me they needed my CV2 number, which I know I entered on the order form. Then they told me the product did not come with the battery and charger and it would be an additional $80.00. The description on this site and every other site did include the battery and charger. When I told them to cancel the order, The customer service agent became very hostile. I should have checked them out. |
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