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Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20
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Hunibal - 24 Jun 2005 02:16 GMT What canera is the best? - Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20
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starcolony - 24 Jun 2005 03:51 GMT > What canera is the best? - > Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20 > Cheers _ Hunibal _ How does one answer that question? It really depends on your needs.
I needed a light-weight, compact, take anywhere, anytime, high performance camera. The FZ5 is near perfect for my needs.
The FZ20 is an impressive camera, but is larger and has the older image processing engine (slower, noisier). If you need manual focus and/or hot shoe and don't mind the larger chassis, then the FZ20 is your ticket.
For me, I love the FZ5 and have no regrets. I take it with me at times that a larger camera would be left at home. It is light and small enough to forget while I am carrying it around. At a recent school function a couple of parents brought along their SLR cameras. I noticed both of them had to keep one hand on the camera, (to keep it from swinging and taking a load off their neck), while they were walking around. It just plain looked uncomfortable.
I recently posted a review at amazon.com. Please check it and the others out for more user input on the Panasonic DMC-FZ5.
I would love to see Panasonic morph the FZ20 into a higher quality prosumer camera, like the Olympus C8080. Bring the size down a bit, upgrade the processing engine, reduce the noise a bit at high ISO, and wrap the whole thing in a sweet magnesium chassis.
So far, the FZ5 is performing beyond my expectations.
Good luck, TR
Paul Allen - 24 Jun 2005 20:09 GMT > What canera is the best? - > Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20 A better question would be, "How do these cameras differ and which differences are most immportant to me?"
The FZ20 is bulkier both in size and weight.
The FZ20 has a flash hot-shoe.
The FZ20 has an ED element in the lens, so it might have better sharpness under some circumstances. I don't think I've seen a good analysis of this on any of the review sites.
The FZ20 has a very nice ring-operated fly-by-wire manual focus, while the FZ5 has no manual focus. People are saying this doesn't really matter. Both cameras appear to have some sort of multi-zone autofocus scheme. If you can force the camera to focus on a particular zone, that would be almost as good as a real manual focus. The manuals are unclear and I have not seen any owner of one of these cameras describe how the multi-zone focus actually works.
It looks as if it might be simpler to adapt filters to the FZ20 than to the FZ5, but this may be just because the FZ5 has not been around as long. I'm to the point where I know I want to use ND and polarizing filters for some shots, so this is important to me.
The FZ5 is a little less expensive.
My current camera is an Olympus C700UZ. Either of the FZ5 or the FZ20 would be a nice upgrade. I'd rather have the smaller camera, but I'm held back over not knowing how the autofocus works and not knowing exactly what the lens tradeoff is.
Paul Allen
David J Taylor - 24 Jun 2005 20:50 GMT []
> The FZ20 has an ED element in the lens, so it might have > better sharpness under some circumstances. I don't think > I've seen a good analysis of this on any of the review > sites. I tried telephoto shots with both the FZ5 and FZ20 (we have both cameras) and under "normal" conditions you couldn't see much difference at all. I'd be interested in a good analysis as well!
> It looks as if it might be simpler to adapt filters to > the FZ20 than to the FZ5, but this may be just because the > FZ5 has not been around as long. I'm to the point where > I know I want to use ND and polarizing filters for some > shots, so this is important to me. 55mm filters fit directly onto the lens-hood adapter of the FZ5, supplied with the camera. I got a polarising filter and use it occasionally to good effect. (From the FZ20 manual, it looks to be the same, perhaps requiring a larger filter, though.
Cheers, David
Monroe - 27 Jun 2005 19:55 GMT Another poster had mentioned an older/slower/noisier (as in audible noise?) processor on the FZ20. I'm interested if there is actually a difference in speed or audible noise between these two? The FZ20 seems ideal for amateur wildlife photography. The audible noise may be an issue.
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:50:46 GMT, "David J Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk.invalid> wrote:
>[] >> The FZ20 has an ED element in the lens, so it might have [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Cheers, >David --
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David J Taylor - 27 Jun 2005 20:24 GMT > Another poster had mentioned an older/slower/noisier (as in audible > noise?) processor on the FZ20. I'm interested if there is actually a > difference in speed or audible noise between these two? The FZ20 > seems ideal for amateur wildlife photography. The audible noise may > be an issue. Just compared the two and, yes, there is a difference. The shutter noise in the FZ5 is almost inaudible, in the FZ20 a quiet whisper (so, no precise measurements!). The processor might cause more image noise, rather than more audible noise, although I've not been aware of any significant difference.
I would check in a shop. I'm not a wildlife photographer, but I would be very surprised if the shutter noise was an issue. There is no other noise. A twig cracking would be much louder by comparison. All these cameras have vastly less acoustic noise than any DSLR.
Cheers, David
starcolony - 28 Jun 2005 05:55 GMT > Another poster had mentioned an older/slower/noisier (as in audible > noise?) processor on the FZ20. I'm interested if there is actually a > difference in speed or audible noise between these two? The FZ20 > seems ideal for amateur wildlife photography. The audible noise may > be an issue. The FZ20 uses an earlier image processor engine (Venus I vs. Venus II) that is a somewhat slower and per some of the reviews I have read does not do quite as effective a job on image noise suppression. This has nothing to do with audible noise. The FZ5 is virtually silent, I imagine the FZ20 is also quite stealthy soundwise.
TR
measekite - 01 Jul 2005 03:43 GMT >[] > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I'd be interested in a good analysis as well! > I would be more interested in an analysis between the Canon S2 and the Pan FZ5 relating to photo quality and field use not just a comparison of features that one can do by themselves.
> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Woodchuck Bill - 01 Jul 2005 06:00 GMT > I would be more interested in an analysis between the Canon S2 and > the Pan FZ5 relating to photo quality and field use not just a > comparison of features that one can do by themselves. You will see plenty of those comparisons, but you might need to wait for the S2 to have been on the streets for a little while, first. :-)
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Charles Schuler - 24 Jun 2005 23:56 GMT > What canera is the best? - > Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20 Not either one. The FZ5 is more general consumer oriented.
Pete Fenelon - 27 Jun 2005 20:25 GMT > What canera is the best? - > Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20 Objectively? FZ20. Subjectively? You might find the FZ5 suits your needs and your budget, in which case why spend more?
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per - 03 Jul 2005 10:13 GMT > What canera is the best? - > Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20 Has anyone yet seen a published portrait taken with either the FZ5 or FZ20 showing natural skin tones, and not overly pink, red or orange? Check out this pic: http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/panasonicfz20_samples/040919-1100-10.jpg The sitting guy has the typical FZ style red face, but the girl on the poster has a much more subtle face color. Is it that the camera overreacts from the natural haemoglobin of people but not from printed colors?
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David J Taylor - 03 Jul 2005 10:57 GMT >> What canera is the best? - >> Panasonic FZ5 - or - FZ20 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Is it that the camera overreacts from the natural haemoglobin of > people but not from printed colors? Per,
It might be that you would prefer the colour saturation (and perhaps sharpness) less than the default. The FZ20 allows you to adjust this, and the FZ5 has "Picture adjust" natural, standard, or vivid. I haven't been aware of any skin tone issues, but neither have I taken a lot of portraits!
Cheers, David
per - 03 Jul 2005 11:57 GMT > Per, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, > David Thanks David for the reply. Most test pics I have seen comparing the FZ20 and FZ5 indicates that the FZ5 has the better lens, apart from having a smaller aperture when zoomed out! This is in contradion with all sales propaganda, but maybe the larger lens of the FZ20 made it necessary to design it more complicated, not to loose even more quality? Would you know where I can find sample portrait pics, shot with natural, standard and vivid colors for comparison? I reckon the Standard Color Mode is default, maybe the Natural Color Mode could take the red face tone down a notch. Also, did you indicate that the FZ20 had better or worse possibilities to adjust color tones than the FZ5? On this page, all portraits look like the models are blushing: http://www.panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/lumix/gallery/models/fz5.html /per
David J Taylor - 03 Jul 2005 15:10 GMT []
> Thanks David for the reply. > Most test pics I have seen comparing the FZ20 and FZ5 indicates that > the FZ5 has the better lens, apart from having a smaller aperture > when zoomed out! This is in contradion with all sales propaganda, but > maybe the larger lens of the FZ20 made it necessary to design it more > complicated, not to loose even more quality? My own very limited tests show very similar results from the two cameras, the only difference being the slightly wider maximum aperture as you say.
> Would you know where I can find sample portrait pics, shot with > natural, standard and vivid colors for comparison? Sorry, no.
> I reckon the Standard Color Mode is default, maybe the Natural Color > Mode could take the red face tone down a notch. Also, did you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/lumix/gallery/models/fz5.html > /per "Standard" is indeed the default on the FZ5. It sounds as if "Natural" would suit you better. I think that the FZ20 may have more individual adjust possibilities than the FZ5. Yes, I just checked, individual control of contrast, saturation, sharpness and noise reduction.
Cheers, David
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