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mike - 03 Jul 2009 03:32 GMT
Hi,
I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
by new camera occupy significantly bigger memory. For e-mailing
purposes, I would want to reduce it sometimes (by decreasing number of
pixels or whatever). How can I do this, with which photo editor?
Thanks
M.
John A. - 03 Jul 2009 03:39 GMT
>Hi,
>I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Thanks
>M.

Pretty much any of them. Resize the image and save it with a
new/ammended name so as not to lose the original.

For handiness, I might suggest Irfanview. But whatever you're using to
view them now may be able to do it.
Alan Browne - 03 Jul 2009 03:54 GMT
> Hi,
> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
> by new camera occupy significantly bigger memory. For e-mailing
> purposes, I would want to reduce it sometimes (by decreasing number of
> pixels or whatever). How can I do this, with which photo editor?

Photoshop (Elements, CSn)
The Gimp (freeware)

many others.

Save as a different name.
Resize (640 - 1200 pixels wide by 400 - 800 pixels high (in those
ranges) is typical for e-mailing and web display.  (View at 100% to be
sure what you're sending).

Save the JPG as quality 7 or 8 is usually sufficient and also reduces
the file size.

Again, keep your original image files separate.
Bob - 03 Jul 2009 14:18 GMT
-:On 02-07-09 22:32, mike wrote:
-:> Hi,
-:> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
-:> by new camera occupy significantly bigger memory. For e-mailing
-:> purposes, I would want to reduce it sometimes (by decreasing number of
-:> pixels or whatever). How can I do this, with which photo editor?
-:
-:Photoshop (Elements, CSn)
-:The Gimp (freeware)
-:
-:many others.
-:
-:Save as a different name.
-:Resize (640 - 1200 pixels wide by 400 - 800 pixels high (in those
-:ranges) is typical for e-mailing and web display.  (View at 100% to be
-:sure what you're sending).

thumbs plus will do a batch resize.

-:
-:Save the JPG as quality 7 or 8 is usually sufficient and also reduces
-:the file size.
-:
-:Again, keep your original image files separate.
-:
-:
-:
Alan Browne - 03 Jul 2009 22:49 GMT
> -:On 02-07-09 22:32, mike wrote:
> -:>  Hi,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> thumbs plus will do a batch resize.

So will Photoshop Elements and CSn (and many others, I 'spect).
mike - 03 Jul 2009 22:03 GMT
Thanks to all for your comments.
Does resizing always mean I get smaller frame, or it may stay
approximately same only with lower pixels density?
M.
Alan Browne - 03 Jul 2009 22:57 GMT
> Thanks to all for your comments.
> Does resizing always mean I get smaller frame, or it may stay
> approximately same only with lower pixels density?

Re-sizing means the image is "sampled down" so that a lot of information
is thrown away.  Displays present the image at about 90 - 100 pixels per
inch - that dictates the on screen physical dimension.

For example if the original is 3888 x 2592 pixels and you reduce it to
1200 x 800 then over 9M pixels (90%) are thrown away... (another reason
to always work from copies...).

(Printers go 240 - 360 dots per inch, so a given image always prints a
lot smaller - why you edit prints at larger dimensions).
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 06 Jul 2009 12:27 GMT
> Does resizing always mean I get smaller frame, or it may stay
> approximately same only with lower pixels density?

It depends completely on the displaying unit.  If you are
using a program (or a digital photo frame, or a printing
preprocessor or a whatever) that's set to display the image
at a given size (fill the frame, the screen, the paper, for
example), you should get the same frame size every time.

It may even mean that the progran has to upsize the image
(sometimes you have to click a checkbox to allow this), as
the physical pixels the unit (screen, LCD, printer, ...) uses
stay at the same size, and need to be told what to show.

Of course that means your digital photo frame of, say, 800x600,
has to downscale a 10 MPix image *a lot.  Which takes a moment
of time and may result in a slightly worse image displayed than
if you gave it an 800x600 image yourself.

If your displaying unit is set to show your image at a certain
percentage (25%, 33%, 100%, ...) of the original size, then the
frame size will differ.  This is sometimes used with some programs
showing your image on the computer screen, usually to edit it.

-Wolfgang
ThePortfolioPro - 03 Jul 2009 04:02 GMT
> Hi,
> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> M.

I'm sure you can do this in the camera... this will save you alot of
time the post production phase.
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 03 Jul 2009 20:20 GMT
>> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
>> by new camera occupy significantly bigger memory. For e-mailing
>> purposes, I would want to reduce it sometimes (by decreasing number of

> I'm sure you can do this in the camera... this will save you alot of
> time the post production phase.

I'm sure that emailing isn't the only reason to shoot the
images.

-Wolfgang
John A. - 04 Jul 2009 00:02 GMT
>>> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
>>> by new camera occupy significantly bigger memory. For e-mailing
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>I'm sure that emailing isn't the only reason to shoot the
>images.

Agreed. I have my camera set to store JPEGs at 2MP, along with
full-rez raw. The JPEGs are handy for quickly reviewing shots, sending
snapshots to family, and "auditioning" effects and edits before
applying them to the full size image.

This interesting page illustrates, though, that for a given target
file size, increased compression will retain more detail than reduced
resolution:
http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/misc/graphics/ResVsComp/JpgResVsComp.html
Jürgen Exner - 03 Jul 2009 05:01 GMT
>I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
>by new camera occupy significantly bigger memory. For e-mailing
>purposes, I would want to reduce it sometimes (by decreasing number of
>pixels or whatever). How can I do this, with which photo editor?

<canned answer #2>
To reduce the file size of a picture you can
- reduce the dimensions of the picture
- increase the JPEG compression of the picture
Both operations are standard features of any photo editing software. How
to execute them depends on what photo editing software you are using.
</canned answer #2>

Some email programs even ask if they should reduce the size of an
attached picture for you.

BTW: I seriously hope you don't have megabites. That would be a thousand
times worse than the Chinese torture of the thousand cuts.

jue
Ofnuts - 03 Jul 2009 07:31 GMT
> Hi,
> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> M.

For Windows XP, you can use the "Image resizer" powertoy, which lets you
resize your pictures (or create a resized copy) from the right-click
menu in the explorer:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

There are clone Vista versions (google for "image resizer powertoy")

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OG - 03 Jul 2009 11:20 GMT
> Hi,
> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> M.

If you are using Windows XP, you can select the pictures in Explorer and use
the 'Email this file' icon in the 'File and Folder Tasks' panel. This will
ask you whether you want to send smaller images or keep the original file
size. A 10 Mp image (3648x2736) was reduced to 640x480 and the file size was
reduced from 2.5Mb to 61kb.
PatM - 05 Jul 2009 02:39 GMT
> > Hi,
> > I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> size. A 10 Mp image (3648x2736) was reduced to 640x480 and the file size was
> reduced from 2.5Mb to 61kb.

Bingo.  Finally a correct answer.  It reduces it without damaging the
original and doesn't take any additional time/effort.
Leon@nospam.com - 04 Jul 2009 01:25 GMT
>Hi,
>I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Thanks
>M.

You can use Irfan View, which will also let you view, thumbnail, and even crop
your photos. It's free.

www.irfanview.com

You can re-size them if you want, and you can select the compression rate of the
jpeg when you save it.

For E-mail, usually you re-size to about 1000 pixels wide, or whatever your
monitor is, and you set the save compression factor to "5" or so.
John A. - 04 Jul 2009 01:56 GMT
>>Hi,
>>I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>For E-mail, usually you re-size to about 1000 pixels wide, or whatever your
>monitor is, and you set the save compression factor to "5" or so.

It also has a feature that lets you target (approximately) a file size
in bytes to automatically set an image's compression accordingly. I
tried the feature when it was first added, but I'm not sure it's
compatible with all the other JPEG saving options. I haven't tried it
in the latest release, though.
Leon@nospam.com - 05 Jul 2009 01:09 GMT
>>>Hi,
>>>I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>compatible with all the other JPEG saving options. I haven't tried it
>in the latest release, though.

I didn't have that feature when I wrote the post, so I went and got the latest
version.

One thing they added that I like is the 'rotate any angle' command, very useful!
David J Taylor - 04 Jul 2009 07:30 GMT
[]
> You can use Irfan View, which will also let you view, thumbnail, and
> even crop your photos. It's free.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> whatever your monitor is, and you set the save compression factor to
> "5" or so.

IrfanView also has the nice feature that you can do a lot in batch mode,
so processing an entire directory of photos automatically is easy.

Cheers,
David
R. Mark Clayton - 06 Jul 2009 14:45 GMT
> Hi,
> I've replaced recently my 5 MP Camera with the 10 MP one. Shots made
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> M.

Maybe you have one of those apples or something, but on my PC (XP Pro) if
you select jpeg images in Windows Explorer, right click and select "send
to" -> "mail recipient" then a little box comes up giving a choice of "make
images smaller" or "keep original size".

Simples...

Typically a 3Mb 2k X 1k5 (QXGA) camera jpeg (90% compressed from ~10M8b to
~1M1b) will be reduced 95% to 640X480 (VGA) jpeg (96% compressed from 1M3b
to 54kb).  I suspect it always tries to reduce to VGA.
 
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