Kudos to Pentax for NOT following the herd

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RichA - 26 Jun 2008 02:57 GMT

In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
earlier models. While this is the case (IMO) with the K20D compared
to the K10D, take a look at the high ISO files and the detail retained
by the Pentax here. It has been left up to the user to decide about
how to implement noise reduction in post-processing.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp

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RichA - 26 Jun 2008 03:09 GMT

> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
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> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp

Addendum; I see DPreview is still reviewing JPEGs, I thought the
images were raw, my mistake. I'm still encouraged by the lack of in-
camera manipulation, but the real issue is what is being done to raw
files in-camera by the mfgs to appeal to a new market that doesn't
like to do post-processing.

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Chris Malcolm - 26 Jun 2008 08:24 GMT

>> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
>> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
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>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp

> Addendum; I see DPreview is still reviewing JPEGs, I thought the
> images were raw, my mistake. I'm still encouraged by the lack of in-
> camera manipulation, but the real issue is what is being done to raw
> files in-camera by the mfgs to appeal to a new market that doesn't
> like to do post-processing.

That must be a very new market, these folk who shoot in RAW and don't
like to do post-processing!

I'm surprised there's enough of them for it to be worth manufacturers
trying to appeal to them :-)

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Roger Moss - 26 Jun 2008 09:13 GMT

>>> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
>>> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
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> I'm surprised there's enough of them for it to be worth manufacturers
> trying to appeal to them :-)

I think I know what he means:

If a system is already intelligent enough to produce a really quite
decent-looking JPG then the same image analysis could equally be applied
(non-destructively, of course) to give Lightroom, etc. a head start when
opening a RAW file.

Every little helps...

RM

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John McWilliams - 27 Jun 2008 17:14 GMT

>>>> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
>>>> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
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> Every little helps...

It's possible right now to have LR open your RAW files and emulate, or
improve on, what the camera might do in its processing to JPEGs. I
expect to see more and more presets and algorithms to achieve this- not
a bad thing, but not so great, either.

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RichA - 26 Jun 2008 19:00 GMT

> >> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
> >> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
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> I'm surprised there's enough of them for it to be worth manufacturers
> trying to appeal to them :-)

I think raw has made an impact on more people, since new P&S sometimes
have it now.

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