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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / May 2008Anybody have direct experience on the Canon EOS Rebel Xsi?
Read an advance look in, I think, Popular Photography on the Rebel Xsi and was intrigued and highly interested in it to replace my 3 year-old Rebel XT. There's nothing wrong with the Rebel and it's 8 mega pixels are enough, but I see great advantes for the 3" LCD especially in live preview mode, and I think it's improved AF and AE algorithms as I understand them will help. I assume all my lenses and 430EX external flash will work. And, I hope that the Xsi still uses CF cards. If not, can you comment on what it does use? TIA.  SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > Read an advance look in, I think, Popular Photography on the Rebel Xsi > and was intrigued and highly interested in it to replace my 3 year-old [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that the Xsi still uses CF cards. If not, can you comment on what it does > use? CAn't comment other than it does use SD/SDHC cards, that should not be a show stopper, a couple of 4Gig cards will only cost a few dollars. >> Read an advance look in, I think, Popular Photography on the Rebel Xsi >> and was intrigued and highly interested in it to replace my 3 year-old [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > CAn't comment other than it does use SD/SDHC cards, that should not be a > show stopper, a couple of 4Gig cards will only cost a few dollars. Be aware that the SDHC cards (SD cards that are 4GB and larger) may require you to get a new card reader for your computer. I tried merely installing Windows XP hotfix KB934428 but it did not resolve the problem I had reading my 4GB SDHC cards. I bought a new card reader that specifically says that it supports SDHC (not just SD) and it works like a champ. Bob Signature== NOTE: I automatically delete all Google Group posts due to uncontrolled SPAM == >>> Read an advance look in, I think, Popular Photography on the Rebel Xsi >>> and was intrigued and highly interested in it to replace my 3 year-old [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Bob Some SDHC cards come with a SDHC reader, I think my 4Gb Sandisk card did. [] > Be aware that the SDHC cards (SD cards that are 4GB and larger) may > require you to get a new card reader for your computer. [] > Bob So stick with 2GB cards - probably more than enough. David Pete D added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> I assume all my lenses and 430EX external flash will work. And, I >> hope that the Xsi still uses CF cards. If not, can you comment on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > be a show stopper, a couple of 4Gig cards will only cost a few > dollars. maybe not a show stopper, but a PITA because I can't use my CFs. Thanks for the comment. btw, I would NEVER use more than a 1 gig card EVER - too great a chance of blowing many hundreds of shots if anything at all goes wrong. much better to spread the risk across 4 1 gigs, I think. still, since it is highly unlikely that I'll shoot at over 4 MP, I barely need 2 gig of memory. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" >Pete D added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >highly unlikely that I'll shoot at over 4 MP, I barely need 2 gig of >memory. If you are going on a 1 or 2 week trip to somewhere where there may not be easy access to Internet cafes to unload the memory card, then you may have to store all your shots on the card(s). The easiest remedy is to buy an 8 GB card (probably would hold 700 raw shots) or maybe even a 16 GB card (nowadays less than $200). It's a lot easier to carry a 16 GB card than a laptop. And IMHO your chances of dropping a 1 GB SD card down a sewer grating or similar while changing it for another 1 GB card are a lot higher than losing all your images on a 16 GB card. Archibald : If you are going on a 1 or 2 week trip to somewhere where there may : not be easy access to Internet cafes to unload the memory card, then [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : or similar while changing it for another 1 GB card are a lot higher : than losing all your images on a 16 GB card. I sort of agree with you. But the counter argument would be that if you're careful, you'll never drop a card down a sewer grating, while the failure of a card is beyond your power to prevent. Bob > : If you are going on a 1 or 2 week trip to somewhere where there may > : not be easy access to Internet cafes to unload the memory card, then [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bob How many cards have you had fail, never had any myself. : > : If you are going on a 1 or 2 week trip to somewhere where there may : > : not be easy access to Internet cafes to unload the memory card, then [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : : How many cards have you had fail, never had any myself. None. But I never dropped one down a sewer grating either. Moreover, I'd bet important money that I never do. Bob [] > How many cards have you had fail, never had any myself. I've had one microSD fail - it was supplied with a Garmin GPS. It was unbranded. David I cant comment on the noise issue, as I havent done enough shooting at high iso's to tell, I do know that at 1600 in total darkness with the flash, it wont focus but if you focus it on something else it can see then take the pic in the total darkness it is very impressive, I didnt save that pic but was suprised what the outcome was. The camera also is small in your hands, I am almost to the point of changing settings while looking through the viewfinder FAW Pete D added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> : And IMHO your chances of dropping a 1 GB SD card down a sewer >> : grating or similar while changing it for another 1 GB card are a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > How many cards have you had fail, never had any myself. None, also, but then, that's exactly when Murphy would show up. I once bought one of those pricey Epson aux storage and viewing gizmos to avoid this problem but took it back because it was "watching paint dry on growing grass" slow manipulating even a small load of images on its HDD. I suppose if I really thought I'd have a problem these days, I might buy one of those USB port small external HDD and try to find a computer store someplace to upload the images off my cards. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>btw, I would NEVER use more than a 1 gig card EVER - too great a >>chance of blowing many hundreds of shots if anything at all goes [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > maybe even a 16 GB card (nowadays less than $200). It's a lot easier > to carry a 16 GB card than a laptop. Again, to my point above, I would even MORE go small if I were on an extended vacation as I'd surely store many more thousands of once-in-a- lifetime images and prefer NOT to blow the whole thing on some minor write failure or maybe an accidental short on a card. > And IMHO your chances of dropping a 1 GB SD card down a sewer > grating or similar while changing it for another 1 GB card are a > lot higher than losing all your images on a 16 GB card. Well, I guess I could also drop my $1,250 L-glass zoom on the concrete running through a driving rain after first being hit by lightning ... SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > Read an advance look in, I think, Popular Photography on the Rebel Xsi > and was intrigued and highly interested in it to replace my 3 year-old [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > TIA. According to the Xsi manual from Canon's web site - page 178... "Recording media: SD memory card, SDHC memory card" SignatureLen l v added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> I assume all my lenses and 430EX external flash will work. And, I >> hope that the Xsi still uses CF cards. If not, can you comment on >> what it does use? > According to the Xsi manual from Canon's web site - page 178... > > "Recording media: SD memory card, SDHC memory card" Thanks. If I buy it, I guess I'll have to connect the 4-way card reader I bought some time back! SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" : > Read an advance look in, I think, Popular Photography on the Rebel Xsi : > and was intrigued and highly interested in it to replace my 3 year-old [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : : "Recording media: SD memory card, SDHC memory card" They all seem to be going that way. So those of us who bought a sufficient quantity of CF cards without whining about it are made to look like jackasses. And someone who buys an XSi and saves his XT or XTi as his spare has to carry two kinds of cards. Thanks, Canon. Bob > but I see great advantes for the 3" LCD especially in live > preview mode I upgraded from a 400D to a 40D featuring a larger LCD and live view as the XSi. I find both features are significant and useful. Richard J Kinch added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> but I see great advantes for the 3" LCD especially in live preview >> mode > > I upgraded from a 400D to a 40D featuring a larger LCD and live view > as the XSi. I find both features are significant and useful. I have done no research yet but plan to take a look maybe this afternoon or early next week. I really like the compact size and weight of the Rebel series which prevented me from getting a better Canon in the first place or a Nikon D70s or higher end which I also evaluated. My strength and endurance isn't what it was when I wore the clothes of a younger man, so light weight is important to me. I'm not sure what camera stores, if any, still allow full refunds for any reason. I think that Ritz still does but I haven't talked to them or any. I much prefer to buy ONLY from a store that allows refunds just in case I just don't like it or don't see $800 in improvements with a few hundred test shots. Anybody know for sure about the L-glass lenses and Canon external flashes? Thanks. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" As far as I know any EF glass will work including L lenses,Ive been lookin at this one for mine http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/183198-USA/Canon_2578A002_70_200mm_f_4_0L_ USM_Autofocus.html . Ive had my xsi about a month and am happy with it, taking some getting used to as my last slr was a minolta x370, that ive used since 1985. The flash should be ok also as the 430 was what the Canon Dealer has been pushing at me. My understanding is that any of the accessories from their newer cameras will work from the rebels to the d models (30d+). I do know that it used a different battery grip and a different battery, the sd cards seem fine , but get higher speed ones I was told, I know the high speed ones transfer data to the puter faster but not sure if the write in the camera faster. This is the only photo Ive posted with the xsi, and I degrade the quality and size to make it less desirable for rippers and other photo I may have online was taken with a sony dsc v1. http://faw67.deviantart.com/art/Da-Frog-85827142 Happy days FAW gotbait added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > As far as I know any EF glass will work including L lenses,Ive been > lookin at this one for mine [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The flash should be ok also as the 430 was what the Canon Dealer has > been pushing at me. Great, thanks! You'll be quite happy with it, I think. It is, IMO, a very good compromise of size/weight, power, and price. > My understanding is that any of the accessories from their newer > cameras will work from the rebels to the d models (30d+). I would expect that and will find out for sure when I go looking. I intend to take my Rebel XT with my most commonly used L-glass zoom and the 430EX and test drive them in the store. > I do know that it used a different battery grip and a different > battery, the sd cards seem fine , but get higher speed ones I was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > photo I may have online was taken with a sony dsc v1. > http://faw67.deviantart.com/art/Da-Frog-85827142 It annoys me that I need to buy new SD cards but I guess that's progress. Also, it is annoying from a $$$ standpoint also, but expected, that the battery would be different. Seems all the camera makers have some sort of compulsion to change this stuff each time they release a new model.Maybe that's an easy way to more revenue when people upgrade. Thanks for the link. As I said earlier this morning, I hope I can find a store that will allow a full Visa refund if I don't like it, but since I feel so strongly that my current XT was and still is a great camera, it seems pretty far fetched that I wouldn't like the Xsi with what I believe are so many improvements. The main issues I've had with the XT taking my main subject, cars at outdoor shows and museums are these: 1) AF failures about 2% of the time even though I always use AF lock and only use one sampling point in the center 2) Flash AE failures even though I also always use AE lock on the back of the camera (once I found it). It is tedious and never quite right to keep moving the AE sampling point to different parts of the car until it looks OK in the LCD. And, the much larger LCD will give me a better chance at success here 3) Problems with dynamic range both outdoors and with flash. Outdoors, it is usually when shooting an engine or car interior and everything else is blown out from being way over-exposed. And, with flash, I have similar dynamic range problems. Dang! Forgot to ask people how the noise is on the Xsi! Since you own one, you're a very good source for an opine. On my XT, I find that it is pretty much useless above ISO 400 but I would love to shoot at 1600 (or higher if the Xsi can) because I could get away many times with the flash which causes it's own kind of problems. Thanks for the comments and if you have more based on my reply now, please let me know, I'd appreciated it. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" >gotbait added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> As far as I know any EF glass will work including L lenses,Ive been >> lookin at this one for mine [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> The flash should be ok also as the 430 was what the Canon Dealer has >> been pushing at me. >Great, thanks! You'll be quite happy with it, I think. It is, IMO, a >very good compromise of size/weight, power, and price. >> My understanding is that any of the accessories from their newer >> cameras will work from the rebels to the d models (30d+). >I would expect that and will find out for sure when I go looking. I >intend to take my Rebel XT with my most commonly used L-glass zoom and >the 430EX and test drive them in the store. >> I do know that it used a different battery grip and a different >> battery, the sd cards seem fine , but get higher speed ones I was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >release a new model.Maybe that's an easy way to more revenue when >people upgrade. It *is* annoying, but technology advances. You'd want a camera with the latest technology or you'd not be upgrading. The battery change is, I've been told, due to the fact that the camera can require more power and the new battery is able to supply that. The CF vs SD debate is about over. The CF cards are big and so with an SD card more other stuff can be put into the camera without increasing its size. Canon held out with CF cards for a long time. Most others have already gone to SD. Signature--- Paul J. Gans > The battery change is, I've been told, due to the fact that > the camera can require more power and the new battery is able > to supply that. The CF vs SD debate is about over. The CF > cards are big and so with an SD card more other stuff can be > put into the camera without increasing its size. Sony S300/350 - 410 shots with live view per battery charge Canon 450D- 190 shots with live view per battery charge The battery is half the size, it's not exactly surprising! > Canon held out with CF cards for a long time. Most others > have already gone to SD. Not if you want to mix pro and amateur cameras - the speed limitations of SD are such that the frame rates and large file sizes of many cameras just don't work with SD, they have to stick with CF for the serious stuff, and so will Canon. Olympus only uses CF (with extra provision for xD in some bodies as a second card), Sony only uses CF (with an MM Pro Duo second slot in the A700 only), Canon use CF for all earlier and higher level bodies, Nikon uses CF for everything above D60 level. Penta/Samsung (essentially one camera) is the only company so far to restrict users to SD on a relatively high-end body (K20D/GX20). CF seems assured of a long run and I would hesitate to buy any camera which only use SD, fiddly little things as well as slow, impossible to label or write on easily and FAR too easy to lose. David >> The battery change is, I've been told, due to the fact that >> the camera can require more power and the new battery is able [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >David There is a lot to be said for buying a 16 gig card and just leaving it in the camera until you get back from what/wherever. Then once at the computer, the card comes out long enough to copy the contents, and then back safely into the camera. You may technically have a point about speed, I don't know, but the SD card in my XSi works very well! The camera can achieve almost 4 frames per second with a burst of around 50 shots for hi res JPGs, and that's more than adequate. Archibald Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > There is a lot to be said for buying a 16 gig card and just leaving > it in the camera until you get back from what/wherever. Then once at > the computer, the card comes out long enough to copy the contents, > and then back safely into the camera. And a BIG reason NOT to do that! What happens if you get a minor short or some write failure that takes out ALL your pictures? My God, depending on the mega pixels and/or RAW you're shooting, that'd be into the many thousands of destroyed images on a 16 gig card. I bought one 2 gig Sandisk high-speed SD today and will buy another soon, and depending on if I'm shooting 3.3 MP to the full 12.2 MP, I should be able to fit approx. 1250 to "only" 465, which would be just 1/8 of a 16 gig. Just my opinion, YMMV, but I believe in spreading my risk if I at all can. > You may technically have a point about speed, I don't know, but the > SD card in my XSi works very well! The camera can achieve almost 4 > frames per second with a burst of around 50 shots for hi res JPGs, > and that's more than adequate. > > Archibald SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" >Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Just my opinion, YMMV, but I believe in spreading my risk if I at all can. If you did some risk analysis, I think you would find that the amount of losses would be the same whether you use 16 1GB cards or 1 16GB card. True, with one 16GB card, you would lose more of just one trip or event all at once. On the other hand, with 16 small cards rattling around in your camera bag or pocket, and having to change them at inopportune moments (perhaps on the deck of a boat or on a rocky cliff or in the middle of a wedding), there is a greater chance of losing or damaging one, or putting the wrong one in. I have two 8GB cards for my 40D, plus two 2GB cards that I bought earlier. That's 4 cards, and it is complicated enough to keep track of them. I've already suffered through some crises where I couldn't find one. As well, I have two 2GB SD cards shared between my G7 and my XSi. I find that this is too many cards, and it is too complicated. Give me simplicity. Soon will buy an 8 or 16 gigger that is dedicated to the XSi. I'm not going to buy until I actually need the memory, because prices keep dropping... but when the moment comes, I will buy the biggest card I can reasonably afford and leave all the other cards at home. Archibald Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>Just my opinion, YMMV, but I believe in spreading my risk if I at >>all can. > > If you did some risk analysis, I think you would find that the > amount of losses would be the same whether you use 16 1GB cards or 1 > 16GB card. I understand your point but my days of doing risk analysis as well as failure mode analysis are over since alternative solutions are dirt cheap.Besides which, Murphy seldom pays attentions to probabilities. True, with one 16GB card, you would lose more of just one trip or > event all at once. On the other hand, with 16 small cards rattling > around in your camera bag or pocket, and having to change them at > inopportune moments (perhaps on the deck of a boat or on a rocky > cliff or in the middle of a wedding), there is a greater chance of > losing or damaging one, or putting the wrong one in. Have it your way. I can fit 800 6.3 mega pixels JPEGS on a 2 gig card which is enough for an entire car show usually, or I could carry one spare for if I have more energy than my battery for a change. BUT, there is simply NO way I'd go on an extended, expensive trip and NOT spread my risk, also keeping the added cards in separate places well labeled so that customs or airport security for carry-on luggage don't go postal. > I have two 8GB cards for my 40D, plus two 2GB cards that I bought > earlier. That's 4 cards, and it is complicated enough to keep track > of them. I've already suffered through some crises where I couldn't > find one. As well, I have two 2GB SD cards shared between my G7 and > my XSi. I find that this is too many cards, and it is too > complicated. If you're not gone senile, how can someone who claims to understand risk analysis possibly get confused about just 4 cards? Just use binary divide and you've got it in just 2 tries. > Give me simplicity. Soon will buy an 8 or 16 gigger that is > dedicated to the XSi. I'm not going to buy until I actually need the > memory, because prices keep dropping... but when the moment comes, I > will buy the biggest card I can reasonably afford and leave all the > other cards at home. Again, suit yourself. I DID say "YMMV" and it obviously does. As David Taylor correctly commented on earlier, it is very nice to have choices - about everything. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" >Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Have it your way. I can fit 800 6.3 mega pixels JPEGS on a 2 gig card >which is enough for an entire car show usually, What, ALL the car pix on a single card?? >or I could carry one >spare for if I have more energy than my battery for a change. BUT, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >risk analysis possibly get confused about just 4 cards? Just use binary >divide and you've got it in just 2 tries. Six cards (count 'em) spread over 3 cameras. Yes, too complicated for me. Archibald > Not if you want to mix pro and amateur cameras - the speed limitations > of SD are such that the frame rates and large file sizes of many cameras > just don't work with SD, they have to stick with CF for the serious > stuff, and so will Canon. what speed limitation is that? in the 10 fps canon 1d mark iii (which supports both cf and sd), the fastest performance was with an sd card. <http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/camera_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9038> in the earlier 1d mark ii, which also supports both card types, sd was also the fastest: <http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-8200> and the new rebel 450d (which uses sd) benchmarks faster than the higher end camera, the 40d (which uses cf): <http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/camera_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9424> <http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/camera_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9257> the nikon d80 (sd) and its bigger brother, the d200 (cf) have roughly the same speeds: <http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-8531> <http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/camera_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9406> > Canon use CF for all earlier and higher level bodies, the top of the line 1d and 1ds use both card types. > Nikon > uses CF for everything above D60 level. the d80 uses sd and presumably its replacement will also. > CF seems assured of a long run and > I would hesitate to buy any camera which only use SD, fiddly little > things as well as slow, impossible to label or write on easily and FAR > too easy to lose. the industry is moving towards sd. they're smaller, less expensive to put into a camera, more rugged and immune to bent pins. >> Not if you want to mix pro and amateur cameras - the speed limitations >> of SD are such that the frame rates and large file sizes of many cameras [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > the industry is moving towards sd. they're smaller, less expensive to > put into a camera, more rugged and immune to bent pins. Whoops, CF cards have no pins, cameras have pins!! >> The battery change is, I've been told, due to the fact that >> the camera can require more power and the new battery is able [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > David Get over yourself man, and you are wrong about Nikon, the D80 uses SD and the 1D and 1DsII have both SD and CF. Paul J Gans added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>It annoys me that I need to buy new SD cards but I guess that's >>progress. Also, it is annoying from a $$$ standpoint also, but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It *is* annoying, but technology advances. You'd want a > camera with the latest technology or you'd not be upgrading. I did wind up buying the Xsi this afternoon from Ritz Camera near me. I like them because while their sales droids are very sharp, they will allow a full charge credit refund on ANYTHING they sell for ANY reason, even "I just don't like it." I was about to walk out when then said they weren't going to carry just the body-only but all with the 18-55mm new kit lens. Who needs another kit lens, right? Then, I thought, who in Hell wants TWO DSLRs? So, my daughter is going to eBay or half.com or something my XT and kit lens, an extra battery, CF cards totalling over 2 gig, and a few other things I no longer need. One high-speed SD 2 gig today (NOT an SDHD) card cost me only $40, so that seems OK. > The battery change is, I've been told, due to the fact that > the camera can require more power and the new battery is able > to supply that. The CF vs SD debate is about over. The CF > cards are big and so with an SD card more other stuff can be > put into the camera without increasing its size. I've never personally had a pin bent or jammed but I've heard of people that have. However, with the SD's having their contacts in the open where they could short out from coins or keys in my pocket, I intend to carry them around in their little plastic cases. > Canon held out with CF cards for a long time. Most others > have already gone to SD. I have only gotten as far as firing the Xsi up and setting the options I like. I think I'm in love already! The controls are virtually idential to my XT and so are the menu items, except of course for the new stuff, so the learning curve should be trivial compared to the nightmare I had when I first tried the XT. That was mainly because the truly important stuff in the manual was buried in obscure places, which caused me to miss something of extreme importance to me, the EL/FEL button. I also very much like the new, larger LCD and, so I've been told, the new high ISO noise reduction feature should allow me to get to the full 1600. I know that pales to what I could do with, say, a 40D which the Ritz sales droid also showed me.But, I prefer the small size and light weight of the Rebel as well as it's price. But, then, I'm hardly a pro, so things like the 1D are WAY out of my league. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" [] > One high-speed SD 2 gig today (NOT an SDHD) card cost me only > $40, so that seems OK. Sounds expensive to me, Jerry. SanDisk Ultra II 2GB SD is GBP 8.49 (US $17) here: http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_6&products_id=100515 Good luck with your new purchase - enjoy it! Cheers, David David J Taylor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [] >> One high-speed SD 2 gig today (NOT an SDHD) card cost me only $40, >> so that seems OK. > > Sounds expensive to me, Jerry. SanDisk Ultra II 2GB SD is GBP 8.49 > (US $17) here: David, you and I get along OK, but if the sales droid says it is $40, it is $40. Yes, I'm sure I could've beaten that but I had limited time to get memory cards for both cameras so I bought what he had. $40 for a high-speed 2 gig is still a good value to me. > http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_6&produc > ts_id=100515 > > Good luck with your new purchase - enjoy it! Thanks, I think I'll like it even more than my XT. Later on, I look around at the discount stores to pick up some more memory. Thanks for the into! SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > I've never personally had a pin bent or jammed but I've heard of people > that have. However, with the SD's having their contacts in the open > where they could short out from coins or keys in my pocket, I intend to > carry them around in their little plastic cases. Our first Canon - 300D - was sold to a new owner and within one day they had shoved the CF card in the wrong way round and bent the pins (or a pin or two, not sure how much damage was done). Cost them £120 (half the s/h price of the camera) to get the drive replaced. David : Richard J Kinch added these comments in the current discussion du jour : ... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] : Anybody know for sure about the L-glass lenses and Canon external : flashes? Thanks. It's a member of the EOS family, so it's inconceivable that the lenses and flashes aren't compatible. But in any case, that info is surely on the Canon Web site. (Yes, I realize that the Canon USA site may be the slowest in the civilized world, but it's reasonably informative when you finally get where you're going.) Bob Robert Coe added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >: Anybody know for sure about the L-glass lenses and Canon external >: flashes? Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > site may be the slowest in the civilized world, but it's reasonably > informative when you finally get where you're going.) Bob, when the marketing mavens take over and change memory cards and batteries for good or less than good reasons, NOTHING is inconceivable to me, so I always apply the 6-P Principle: "Proper Planning Prevents Piss- Poor Performance" and hauled my XT, L-lense, and 430EX to test-drive with the Xsi today. Of course, it DID work just fine, I really didn't expect an incompatibility. But, the time to find that out is before one buys, doncha think? SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > Robert Coe added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > an incompatibility. But, the time to find that out is before one buys, > doncha think? Because I'm also a fan of humorous redundancy, I like "Proper Prior Pre-Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance" :) SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org NEW --> Now evaluating a GG-free news feed: http://usenet4all.se Blinky the Shark added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> Bob, when the marketing mavens take over and change memory cards >> and batteries for good or less than good reasons, NOTHING is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Because I'm also a fan of humorous redundancy, I like "Proper Prior > Pre-Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance" :) That'd be 8-Ps and also loses the charm of the quote of Robert Duvall's character as a CIA assasin in the 1975-ish movie "The Killer Elite". Of course, when I used this at work, I dropped one of the "P"s and used it as the 5-P Method of Management, which may have been plagarism but nobody called me on it. <grin> I am also big on these two, that apply equally well in all things PC, especially Windoze: "never try to fix something that isn't broken" and "never give Murphy an even break". WRT camera, perhaps I've lost a feature or two from not upgrading my firmware or even using cracked firmware to fix or unfix some things but ... Just thought of something you might know about, Blinky,since you're bi- lingual (or, bi-something, <grin>). I haven't cracked the CD yet for either camera I bought today because that WOULD kill my refund at Ritz, but do you or anyone know if I can put a named JPG back on the SD card and "see" it in the camera? Usually, that doesn't work because the camera won't recognize anything it didn't write itself so people have recommended freeware to get around it. I CAN use either of my 2 Panasonic DVRs to do this because both the one in my family room that I use and the other in my den that my wife uses have SD slots. But, the dang things chop the pictures back to 4:3 and lop off the left and right sides even if I try changing the video to 16:9. Haven't found a way around that one yet. Have a good one, Blinky! SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > Just thought of something you might know about, Blinky,since you're bi- > lingual (or, bi-something, <grin>). I haven't cracked the CD yet for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > camera won't recognize anything it didn't write itself so people have > recommended freeware to get around it. I CAN use either of my 2 Probably depends on a lot of factors. I just took a jpg from my Nikon, moved it to a Fuji and it plays back there fine (although in multi-image (thumb) view, that thumb just shows a big question mark. The Nikon won't show a jpg from the Fuji, though. SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org NEW --> Now evaluating a GG-free news feed: http://usenet4all.se >> Just thought of something you might know about, Blinky,since you're >> bi- lingual (or, bi-something, <grin>). I haven't cracked the CD yet [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > multi-image (thumb) view, that thumb just shows a big question mark. > The Nikon won't show a jpg from the Fuji, though. I wrote a small program to make JPEGs readable in various cameras - they can make for a convenient display device, especially when coupled to a TV. It's here: http://www.satsignal.eu/software/imaging.html#TVwriter Cheers, David : Robert Coe added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... : [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : an incompatibility. But, the time to find that out is before one buys, : doncha think? Yeah, I think I'd have at least looked it up. I wouldn't have expected the batteries to be incompatible either, so you never know. Bob Robert Coe added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >: Bob, when the marketing mavens take over and change memory cards >: and batteries for good or less than good reasons, NOTHING is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yeah, I think I'd have at least looked it up. I wouldn't have > expected the batteries to be incompatible either, so you never know. I had an opportunity to pop over to the mall and hit the Ritz store this afternoon or wait until mid-week because of other things on my plate so I didn't have time to nose around Canon's web site. Besides which I almost always have trouble truly finding what I want on those things. Blows my mind, but ... One easy example distantly related to digital photography is the 100% failure I had when trying to simply find out what Windows screen resolutions a Samsung 244T 24" wide-screen LCD monitor supported. The best I did was a Best Buy sales droid who's sales DB said that besides the native 1960 x something, it did support 1280 x 1024, but I could find nothing on Samsung's web site nor talking to several customer support people further. I usualy run 1280 x 960 and figured that going to 1024 would elongate all of my pictures by about 7%. Oh, well. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > mind, but ... One easy example distantly related to digital photography > is the 100% failure I had when trying to simply find out what Windows > screen resolutions a Samsung 244T 24" wide-screen LCD monitor supported. > The best I did was a Best Buy sales droid who's sales DB said that > besides the native 1960 x something, it did support 1280 x 1024, but I Probably the same 1920x1200 my 245BW supports. SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org NEW --> Now evaluating a GG-free news feed: http://usenet4all.se : > but I see great advantes for the 3" LCD especially in live : > preview mode : : I upgraded from a 400D to a 40D featuring a larger LCD and live view as the : XSi. I find both features are significant and useful. So is the 40D worth the extra money over the XSi? Or should one wait for the 50D? Bob >: > but I see great advantes for the 3" LCD especially in live >: > preview mode [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So is the 40D worth the extra money over the XSi? Or should one wait for the >50D? I have both -- the 40D is for more serious shooting, the Excess Eye is for occasions when portability is more important. The 40D with the 17-55/2.8 is twice the weight of the XSi with the 17-55 SI kit. But the 40D is a much faster camera to work with and autofocus can be better, so it gets used when I can. Kind of hard to make decisions about the 50D, since it's not out yet. Archibald >>: > but I see great advantes for the 3" LCD especially in live >>: > preview mode [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>So is the 40D worth the extra money over the XSi? Or should one wait for the >>50D? >I have both -- the 40D is for more serious shooting, the Excess Eye is >for occasions when portability is more important. The 40D with the >17-55/2.8 is twice the weight of the XSi with the 17-55 SI kit. But >the 40D is a much faster camera to work with and autofocus can be >better, so it gets used when I can. >Kind of hard to make decisions about the 50D, since it's not out yet. And by the time it is, folks will be wondering about the 60D... Signature--- Paul J. Gans Paul J Gans added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>I have both -- the 40D is for more serious shooting, the Excess Eye >>is for occasions when portability is more important. The 40D with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And by the time it is, folks will be wondering about the 60D... and, if you'd waited to buy a full-featured scientific calculator until the features and price had come down, you'd STILL be waiting, 30 years later! SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" I used to use an old HP, now I have a TI-89 calulator. Newer students have it easy. Integrate Differentiate Matrix Equation simplification It is all good ... and worth the wait ;) Steven Green added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > I used to use an old HP, now I have a TI-89 calulator. > Newer students have it easy. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It is all good ... and worth the wait ;) horseshit. I've owned a dozen electronic calcuators, maybe more, and before that a couple of different slide rules. one has to use the best tools available at the time or get left behind. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > : > but I see great advantes for the 3" LCD especially in live > : > preview mode [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So is the 40D worth the extra money over the XSi? Or should one wait for the > 50D? In the UK, YES YES YES - it is at the most only $200 - £100 more and in many places, the body price is identical after current Cann rebates. Until June 30. Any British buyer choosing the 450D is crazy, I've said so in print, and so have several other magazine reviewers. The 450D may start to drop in price and the 40D will go up but right now, the 40D (a FAR better camera) is hardly anything more to buy in Britain. David [] > In the UK, YES YES YES - it is at the most only $200 - £100 more and > in many places, the body price is identical after current Cann [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Britain. > David Of course, they may /wish/ the lighter weight, and more compact camera, which isn't at all crazy. David > [] >> In the UK, YES YES YES - it is at the most only $200 - £100 more and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Of course, they may /wish/ the lighter weight, and more compact camera, > which isn't at all crazy. Well, I've also said that in reviews - unless you want it for travel. But the 40D is not exactly big or heavy by Canon standards. David David J Taylor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [] >> In the UK, YES YES YES - it is at the most only $200 - £100 more [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Of course, they may /wish/ the lighter weight, and more compact > camera, which isn't at all crazy. David, that is exactly the reason I first bought the XT over a Nikon D70s and replaced it now with the Xsi - small size and light weight. Still, I do understand that some people prefer a larger and heavier camera because their hands are bigger and they prefer the steadiness of the greater mass. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > David J Taylor added these comments in the current discussion du jour [] >> Of course, they may /wish/ the lighter weight, and more compact >> camera, which isn't at all crazy. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > camera because their hands are bigger and they prefer the steadiness > of the greater mass. .. and one of the reasons I got the Nikon D40 rather than a more capable, but les portable model. It's great that there /is/ the choice! Are the menus any better on your more recent camera? Cheers, David David J Taylor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>> Of course, they may /wish/ the lighter weight, and more compact >>> camera, which isn't at all crazy. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > capable, but les portable model. It's great that there /is/ the > choice! Are the menus any better on your more recent camera? That's what choic is all about, isn't it David? Whenever a friend asks me for some info and a recommendation, when I get done babbling, I always tell them the same two things: 1) go to the store and pick up the ones on your short list and buy the one that feels the best to you and 2) only buy from a store that'll let you return for a full refund. A Cyber friend in Cincinnatti did just that and decided on the D80 for exactly the opposite reason I eschewed the D70s - he found the larger body size and placement of controls fit his big hands better than the XTi which he thought felt like a toy camera. Okey, Dokey by me! The menus are almost identical from my XT to the Xsi, except for the new stuff, of course. I've only had a very brief test run so far, too busy on other "stuff of life", but the early results show that the new high ISO noise reduction is fantastic-a-mundo! Yes, I can see some noise, but no more than I used to see on the XT at 200, and completely controllable so for the very first time I have a chance to do some museum car shots without a flash or a tripod. Too bad the basic EOS/Rebel design precluded any higher ISOs. Also, I have very briefly tried the new Live Preview shooting mode with locks up the mirror and does some magic to get the sensor data directly to the 2 3/4" LCD. It's a bit kludgy to focus because one must either revert to manual OR press the AEL/FEL lock button to bring the mirror back down, do an AE lock, then put the mirror back up and turn on the display again. But, at least the body now has IS so doing this "live" MAY be a reasonable solution for me to spend less time avoiding glare from overhead lighting and/or the flash. It seems that the user manual is improved or it may be that I finally deciphered how to read it! There're always downsides and there's a few minor ones such as controls moved around somewhat inconventently and deletion of the former small lighted LCD parameters display that is now on the LCD but I think I'll get used to it very quickly. So far, so good, I'm quite impressed even with the new 18-55mm kit lens. Gonna have my daughter ebay my XT and we'll split the proceeds. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" [] > The menus are almost identical from my XT to the Xsi, except for the > new stuff, of course. I've only had a very brief test run so far, too [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > so doing this "live" MAY be a reasonable solution for me to spend > less time avoiding glare from overhead lighting and/or the flash. [] Thanks for your comments, Jerry. Sounds very positive. As yet, my DSLR doesn't include Live View, so that's a treat I have in store in the future. The higher sensitivity will undoubtedly help - I'm happy with images at ISO 1600 on my Nikon D40, but I wouldn't use ISO 1600 all the time. You said: "the body now has IS" - are you sure about that? Cheers, David David J Taylor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [] >> The menus are almost identical from my XT to the Xsi, except for [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > You said: "the body now has IS" - are you sure about that? I'm never sure of anything. I haven't yet read the entire manual but the sales droid is the one who said the body now has IS and I just took his word for it. Will have to see for sure within the 10 full refund window. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" [] > I'm never sure of anything. I haven't yet read the entire manual but > the sales droid is the one who said the body now has IS and I just > took his word for it. Will have to see for sure within the 10 full > refund window. I think the 18-55mm lens now has a version with IS - perhaps that's what you have. It's not in the body, though, as far as I know. Cheers, David > [] >> I'm never sure of anything. I haven't yet read the entire manual but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I think the 18-55mm lens now has a version with IS - perhaps that's what > you have. It's not in the body, though, as far as I know. Correct. The body does not have IS, the new 18-55mm does. Salesmen get great training in communications! David David Kilpatrick added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> HEMI-Powered wrote: [] >>> I'm never sure of anything. I haven't yet read the entire manual [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Correct. The body does not have IS, the new 18-55mm does. Salesmen > get great training in communications! Then, what's the switch for on the body just behind the lens mount which clearly indicates IS on and off? Does that really control IS in a lens which would mean that my two L-glass zooms and my Sigma zoom are still IS-less? Thanks. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" >David Kilpatrick added these comments in the current discussion du >jour ... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >which would mean that my two L-glass zooms and my Sigma zoom are still >IS-less? Thanks. There is no such switch on the body of the XSi. There is no switch ANYWHERE that clearly states "IS on and off". There might be a switch that says "Stabilizer on off", but it is on the lens, not the body. Remove the lens and see where the switch goes. Archibald Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>David Kilpatrick added these comments in the current discussion du >>jour ... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the lens, not the body. Remove the lens and see where the switch > goes. You are full of sh.t. You know, I really don't like being called a liar by you or anyone when I can see the God Damn switches and everything else I've talked about sitting right next to my computer monitor. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" >Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >by you or anyone when I can see the God Damn switches and everything else >I've talked about sitting right next to my computer monitor. Ahahahah!!.... So that's where they are, on the side of your computer monitor, not on your camera body. In photography, it seems your biggest challenge is figuring out where a switch is. DON'T GIVE UP! I know you can do it! It just might take a couple of days... Archibald > Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > by you or anyone when I can see the God Damn switches and everything else > I've talked about sitting right next to my computer monitor. If you truly have the camera in question within reach, you are either the dumbest SOB in Texas, or the biggest lying asshat west of the Mississippi. Take your pick. There's no IS/Stabl*/whatever switch **anywhere on the Xsi camera body**. Period. So you're either too stump stupid to realize the switch you're looking at is on the lens itself, or too much of a coward and a child to simply admit you have zero clues. Personally, if I were you I'd go with stump stupid. There's just something about the sort of liar who would act the way you're acting that makes most people ill. Stupidity, at least, can be understood and overlooked. >> Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >acting that makes most people ill. Stupidity, at least, can be >understood and overlooked. Hemi probably thinks the round thing with the glass is the body. Archibald >>> Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Archibald He probably shoots holding the camera backwards.. wonders why all his pictures are fuzzy images of his eyeball. Dunc Duncan H. Davies added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>>> Archibald added these comments in the current discussion du jour >>>> ... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > He probably shoots holding the camera backwards.. wonders why all > his pictures are fuzzy images of his eyeball. you're just as FUBAR as the rest of the idiot elitists and prima donnas here that simply refuse to believe what other people say when it conflicts with some sh.t-a.s dpreview review or an erroneous user manual. I have found that reality trumps all the other cards in the game of life, so if you want to go around with your head stuck up your a.s while insulting people who know more than you do, well, feel free. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > you're just as FUBAR as the rest of the idiot elitists and prima donnas > here that simply refuse to believe what other people say when it > conflicts with some sh.t-a.s dpreview review or an erroneous user > manual. do i understand this correctly? canon designed the camera and wrote the user manual, but somehow, they got the location of the switch totally wrong. for some reason, not a single person noticed the error until just the other day, when you bought your camera. is that right? have you contacted canon to have them fix the user manual? did you alert phil askey at dpreview to update his website? it's best that they issue an errata soon, because a lot of people will be looking for that switch in the wrong place, and we can't have that happen. they might even switch to nikon in frustration. > I have found that reality trumps all the other cards in the > game of life, so if you want to go around with your head stuck up your > a.s while insulting people who know more than you do, well, feel free. if you insist. >> you're just as FUBAR as the rest of the idiot elitists and prima donnas >> here that simply refuse to believe what other people say when it [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > if you insist. I haven't enjoyed a thread this much in ages. :-D HEMI, dearest, I am one of those anybodys who has direct experience of that camera. I've had mine for two weeks now. Trust me, I do know what I'm talking about. On page 34 of your manual it shows you how to detach THE LENS (the cylindrical glassy bit where the lens cap goes), from THE BODY (the chunky bit that has the shutter button on top and says "EOS" and "XSi" or "450D" on the front). Try that. Now ... which bit, THE LENS, or, THE BODY, has the switch on it that is labelled - STABILIZER ON | | OFF ? If you can't manage that, give us a link to a photo of the camera you have, which shows the IS switch. Please? If you are right, that will prove it forever without question. PS: would someone please reply to HEMI so that I can see his reply? (I plonked him years ago.) >>> you're just as FUBAR as the rest of the idiot elitists and prima donnas >>> here that simply refuse to believe what other people say when it [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >STABILIZER >ON | | OFF Careful... he's going to pull the lens apart. Archibald >>>> you're just as FUBAR as the rest of the idiot elitists and prima donnas >>>> here that simply refuse to believe what other people say when it [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Careful... he's going to pull the lens apart. Has _his_ stabilizer been switched off? Wilba added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>> you're just as FUBAR as the rest of the idiot elitists and prima >>> donnas here that simply refuse to believe what other people say [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > STABILIZER > ON | | OFF No, idiot, the kit lens has NO switch - the IS on-off switch is on the lens mount of the body! > ? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > PS: would someone please reply to HEMI so that I can see his reply? > (I plonked him years ago.) What is wrong with all you idiots? I don't give a Flying f.ck what the manual does or does not say! Morons, I'm telling you where the God Damn switch is, if you don't believe it, well stick you head up your a.s and rotate on your elbows for all I care. YOu really have to get ahold of yourself and learn the difference between fiction and reality. Now, blow. SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > Wilba added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > yourself and learn the difference between fiction and reality. Now, > blow. Then we idiot's do not know what the purpose of the switch since the manual is incorrect and have no reference to assist you. Please contact Canon or the shop you purchased your camera from. SignatureLen >>> HEMI, dearest, I am one of those anybodys who has direct experience >>> of that camera. I've had mine for two weeks now. Trust me, I do know [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> No, idiot, the kit lens has NO switch - the IS on-off switch is on the >> lens mount of the body! Oh, you didn't try it! I'm so disappointed in you. >>> If you can't manage that, give us a link to a photo of the camera >>> you have, which shows the IS switch. Please? If you are right, that >>> will prove it forever without question. >> What is wrong with all you idiots? I don't give a Flying f.ck what the >> manual does or does not say! Do you give a FF about the truth? Detach the lens from the body and you will know it. Please don't reply until you do. Go on ... you know deep down the truth will set you free. >> Morons, I'm telling you where the God Damn switch is, if you don't >> believe it, well stick you head up your a.s and rotate on your elbows >> for all I care. You don't care? OK, we won't be hearing from you again? >> YOu really have to get ahold of yourself and learn the difference >> between fiction and reality. You know how to do it - do it! PROVE us all wrong. >> Now, blow. Doesn't matter how hard I blow, it won't put an IS switch on my 450D. But you know that, you're just being silly. Wilba added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >>> No, idiot, the kit lens has NO switch - the IS on-off switch is on >>> the lens mount of the body! > > Oh, you didn't try it! I'm so disappointed in you. Wilba wakes up! What is there to try, twit? If I have an IS lens mounted, and the only one I own is the new 18-55mm kit lens, why not leave IS on? And, if the lens doesn't have IS, then what difference does it make which way the switch is thrown? >>>> If you can't manage that, give us a link to a photo of the camera >>>> you have, which shows the IS switch. Please? If you are right, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Do you give a FF about the truth? Detach the lens from the body and > you will know it. Please don't reply until you do. Yeah, I know the truth, and it says you are simply crazy, insane, or just plain stupid to argue what is plainly in front of your beady little eyes if you'd only look. > Go on ... you know deep down the truth will set you free. That's true, and the truth sets me free by ignoring your idiotic babbling. >>> Morons, I'm telling you where the God Damn switch is, if you don't >>> believe it, well stick you head up your a.s and rotate on your >>> elbows for all I care. > > You don't care? OK, we won't be hearing from you again? Oh, I never say never. I particular enjoy hoisting idiots on their own elitist petards, so rant on, you're only proving that you don't know squat except when you need to pee and also that you ain't no lady (unless, of course, "Wilba" is some weight male or transvesite name) >>> YOu really have to get ahold of yourself and learn the difference >>> between fiction and reality. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Doesn't matter how hard I blow, it won't put an IS switch on my > 450D. But you know that, you're just being silly. Maybe not, but I don't own an EOS 450D, which is the international model name, my camera which DOES have an IS on-off switch is marketed as the Rebel Xsi which I said in my OP but of course, you're too stupid to read so you just go more and more into the tall weeds. Begone, el stupido! SignatureHP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" > Maybe not, but I don't own an EOS 450D, that much is obvious, because a dslr body with a stabilization switch is not made by canon. >> Maybe not, but I don't own an EOS 450D, > >that much is obvious, because a dslr body with a stabilization switch >is not made by canon. Don't FEED the TROLLS!! That Hemi Fart Powered Hemmoroid is the biggest f.cking troll to ever show up here! He doesn't actually own a camera, or know how to operate one if he did... Ignore the cretin and he will go away... >Maybe not, but I don't own an EOS 450D, which is the international >model name, my camera which DOES have an IS on-off switch is marketed >as the Rebel Xsi which I said in my OP but of course, you're too stupid >to read so you just go more and more into the tall weeds. Begone, el >stupido! http://img.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XSI/0canonscratch/THUMBSVAR/XSi_lens_rebel.jpg >>Maybe not, but I don't own an EOS 450D, which is the international >>model name, my camera which DOES have an IS on-off switch is marketed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://img.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/XSI/0canonscratch/THUMBSVAR/XSi_lens_rebel.jpg Don't FEED the TROLLS!! That Hemi Fart Powered Hemmoroid is the biggest f.cking troll to ever show up here! He doesn't actually own a camera, or know how to operate one if he did... Ignore the cretin and he will go away... l v added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> Wilba added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > manual is incorrect and have no reference to assist you. Please > contact Canon or the shop you purchased your camera from. give it a rest. in a contest between what a manual says or doesn't say and what you can actually see someplace on the camera body and/or lens and/or another accessory like an external flash, then reality wins evertime. Look at my sig, that's what this is all about. You simply cannot dispute a switch on the lens mount of the body just above the AF-M switch as not being there no matter if the manual says it is or the manual say it isn't. God Damn it, go to your nearest camera store - in the U.S., I don't know what international EOS cameras have and I also don't care - and look for yourself! what do you possibly have to gain except to look like an a.s? 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