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Nikon 18-200mm VR lens query

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Greenbrightly - 23 Jan 2008 13:57 GMT
Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
to think it might have been better to spend the extra and get the
18-200mm VR lens. So I could effectively do away with the 18-55 kit
lens and the 55-200. Is this something I should be thinking about? I
don't have that much experience with DSLRs or lenses in particular, so
I am not sure what people normally do. Is it better to have a lot of
different lenses or try to whittle them down to a few 'all
ecompassing' lenses for multi-purpose.

Any advice would be great.

Thanks,

Neil
David J Taylor - 23 Jan 2008 14:16 GMT
> Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
> 55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
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>
> Neil

Neil,

I think that, had I been able to, I would have got the D40 and the
18-200mm VR.  That would have served me very well.  As it is, I have the
same combination as you, and have recently also bought the 70 - 300mm as
my interests also lie at the telephoto end.  In some respects, I could now
sell on the 55-200 VR, and live with the gap between 55 and 70mm, but I
think I'll hang onto it as spare.

You undoubtedly do loose some pictures if you are changing lenses and, for
my style of photography, the 18 - 200mm VR would have been ideal.  Light
and simple suits me best so the 18 - 55mm wins on weight and compact size,
but the 18 - 200mm wins on simple!

Cheers,
David
flambe - 23 Jan 2008 16:27 GMT
I have the Nikon 18-200VR.
It is a very heavy lens that is optically no better than the Sigma 18-200
non stabilized. I had both these lenses for awhile, I got the Nikon because
I needed the VR, and in my many sided by side comparisons the Nikon did not
win many if any and none at 18mm.
If you are not squeamish about distortion at the wide end you could use an
18-200 as an everyday all purpose lens as it is convenient to rely on one of
these SUV sized lenses for their zoom range. The 18-200s are great for
travelling/trekking. Mine have survived better than I did in a variety of
locales. But you will be toting around a behemoth camera/lens combination-I
believe the Nikon 18-200 is larger and heavier than the D40 camera body.
I would not get rid of your 18-55 as it is a visibly better performer at the
wide end of the zoom.
Before you tithe Nikon for an expensive, tanklike lens with mediocre optical
performance but excellent VR check out the Sigma 18-200 OS for a few hundred
dollars less. I own and have used the Nikon extensively and I strongly
recommend you check out the Sigma.
nospam - 23 Jan 2008 17:34 GMT
> I have the Nikon 18-200VR.
> It is a very heavy lens that is optically no better than the Sigma 18-200
> non stabilized.

it's not 'very heavy' and it's much better than sigma's 18-200.  look
at photozone's reviews, for instance.

> But you will be toting around a behemoth camera/lens combination-I
> believe the Nikon 18-200 is larger and heavier than the D40 camera body.

only slightly.  the 18-200 is 560 grams and the d40 is 475 grams, and
the d40 is wider than the lens is long (when retracted).

> Before you tithe Nikon for an expensive, tanklike lens with mediocre optical
> performance but excellent VR check out the Sigma 18-200 OS for a few hundred
> dollars less. I own and have used the Nikon extensively and I strongly
> recommend you check out the Sigma.

the stabilization on the sigma is noticably worse than the nikon (it's
even visible in the viewfinder) and the lens is slower at the long end
(f/6.3) which can affect focus in non-ideal conditions.  the price
difference is small, now that the nikon version is not hard to find
anymore.  also, the sigma is even *heavier* than the supposedly 'very
heavy' nikon lens (610 grams versus 560 grams) as well as slightly
longer in length.
Jürgen Exner - 23 Jan 2008 17:32 GMT
>Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
>55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>different lenses or try to whittle them down to a few 'all
>ecompassing' lenses for multi-purpose.

That totally depends on what _you_ want to do.
- a single zoom with a large zoom range is typically more convenient. At the
low bugdet end typically it is also cheaper than several individual lenses.
- multiple lenses with shorter zoom ranges typically have better picture
quality with less distortion, in particular at the short and long ends of
their respective zoom areas.

Designing a zoom lens is always a struggle for compromise and much more so
when the zoom range is large like the 11x for the 18-200.

Highest quality and fastest lenses you can typically still only find in
lenses with fixed focal length.

jue
Roy Smith - 24 Jan 2008 01:23 GMT
J?rgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Designing a zoom lens is always a struggle for compromise

Designing anything from airplanes to laptop computers to desert toppings is
a struggle for compromise.  Make it better in one way, and it's got to
become worse in some other way.  Nothing magic about optical design which
exempts it from that law.
Jürgen Exner - 24 Jan 2008 05:44 GMT
>J?rgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>become worse in some other way.  Nothing magic about optical design which
>exempts it from that law.

True. Maybe I should have been more specific: the larger the zoom range the
more the designer has to compromise and accept weak performance in at least
one area.

jue
Robert Peirce - 23 Jan 2008 18:02 GMT
In article
<1906ce0b-606b-4fd3-902b-54f8cb44d306@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

> Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
> 55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> different lenses or try to whittle them down to a few 'all
> ecompassing' lenses for multi-purpose.

I went through the identical situation and decided to take the cheap way
out.  The 55-200 was only $200, and the two lenses may have better
optics, although I really can't vouch for that.

The 70-300 was interesting, but it left a gap.  Apparently there is an
18-70 that avoids that gap.  Also, I figured if I ever really needed
anything beyond 200, which is about the same as a 300 on a 35mm camera,
I could always get a tele-converter.  I've used them before, and while I
don't much like them, they are useful in an emergency.

Finally, if you decide to go with the 18-200, not only do you have to
spend a lot of money, but you have to get rid of the 18-55 and the
55-200.

People say DSLRs are more prone to dust problems than SLRs, so you want
to avoid changing lenses as much as possible.  I think it might be
better to just try to avoid dusty locations as much as possible or be
prepared to have the right lens on your camera when you go in.  So far I
haven't had a problem, but maybe it is because I have been able to avoid
changing lenses in dusty locations.

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Robert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA  724-941-6883
bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac]
rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office]

acl - 24 Jan 2008 00:36 GMT
On Jan 23, 9:02 pm, Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com.invalid>
wrote:

> People say DSLRs are more prone to dust problems than SLRs, so you want
> to avoid changing lenses as much as possible.  I think it might be
> better to just try to avoid dusty locations as much as possible or be
> prepared to have the right lens on your camera when you go in.  So far I
> haven't had a problem, but maybe it is because I have been able to avoid
> changing lenses in dusty locations.

An easy precaution you can take is to use a blower brush, with the
brush removed, to blow on the sensor every few weeks, or if a dust
spot appears. Simple and quick, and I've been doing this for almost 2
years with my d200 and have had no problems with dust (and I change
lenses a couple of times a day at least). But it's not too dusty here.
Humidity might also have an effect, I don't know.
Tony Polson - 23 Jan 2008 18:10 GMT
>Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
>55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Any advice would be great.

The best optical quality of all comes from fixed focal length lenses.
The best pro zoom lenses come close to the performance of fixed focal
length lenses, but they cost a lot of money.

In the consumer price range, shorter zoom ratios tend to give better
optical quality.  Longer zoom ratios tend to give poor quality.  The
11X ratio of the 18-200mm is way past the point where you can expect
decent optical quality.

If you want to throw away the optical advantages of an DSLR over a
point and shoot, go buy an 18-200mm lens.  They are all optically very
poor, so buy the cheapest 11X zoom that you can find.  That way, you
will waste the minimum amount of money.  

Sorry to be so terse, but after 10 years of reading people asking the
same questions in online forums, there has been no improvement
whatsoever in the optical qualities of 11X zoom lenses.  So I get a
little impatient with people who think that they are worth buying.

;-)
HankB - 23 Jan 2008 18:14 GMT
> Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
> ... So I could effectively do away with the 18-55 kit
> lens  ...

Hi Neil,
One drawback to the 18-200 is that it blocks the built in flash at
wider angles. You might wish to keep the 18-55 to cover that situation
and perhaps be useful when weight is a concern.

-hank
Jay - 23 Jan 2008 18:35 GMT
The 18-200 is a good lens. Excellent walk around lens.
If you're sensitive about the 18 mm distortion it is easily fixed in most
software.
I've shot horse shows and jumps with it and it really keeps up with the auto
focus very nicely.
I can comfortably freeze a horse running or in the middle of a jump at
1/500th or more, outside, no problem.
Good VR that works.
Do I wish it was 2.8? Sure but it isn't, and shooting horse shows with just
one lens in places where there's lots of sand and mud flying around in the
wind and never have to change a lens is a pure luxury.

Who cares if the lens is bigger than the camera?
Have you seen this lens:
http://www.trademe.co.nz:80/Electronics-photography/Camera-accessories/Lenses/Ca
non/auction-136607550.htm
?
? ? ?

Now, is the 18-200 as good as the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G  at  200?
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-70-200mm-Nikkor-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00009MDBQ/ref=sr
_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201112975&sr=8-10


Hell No!

You decide what is important to you.
Perhaps buying the 18-200 will keep you going for a while, or at least until
they make a camera that's bigger than the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G.

J

> Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
> 55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Neil
Neil Harrington - 23 Jan 2008 19:07 GMT
> Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
> 55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
> to think it might have been better to spend the extra and get the
> 18-200mm VR lens. So I could effectively do away with the 18-55 kit
> lens and the 55-200. Is this something I should be thinking about?

Depends on how much you hate changing lenses. I have all three of those and
like them all. In my opinion while the 18-200 VR is a wonderful lens to
have, it does not really replace the 18-55 kit lens and the 55-200 VR. The
18-55 is delightfully compact, light weight, sharp and exceptionally close
focusing. The 55-200 VR is also relatively compact and light (the 18-200 VR
is substantially heavier), very sharp and takes the same filter size as the
18-55 -- and filters in that 52mm size are much less expensive than the 72mm
ones the 18-200 requires. I don't really find most filters as important with
digital as they were with film, but I think a polarizer is a good thing to
have.

So whether or not you buy the 18-200 VR or whatever, I'd keep the 18-55 and
55-200 VR if I were you. That's a very nice pair of lenses. And selling them
would not bring you half the price of an 18-200 VR.

Neil
Greenbrightly - 23 Jan 2008 22:44 GMT
Thanks v much for the advice everyone, I wasn't expecting to get all
this information it's great. It's good to know that people have been
in the same situation as me. I guess I'm just getting started with
DSLRs which is why I bought the D40, as the price appealed to me; I
suppose that is a factor. I wanted something a bit longer so I went
for the 55-200 VR, I do like the lens a great deal. So it looks like
the best thing to do would be stick with what I have for the time
being and I think that's good advice, certainly in terms of cost
rather than nothing else, as the 18-200 lens is quite a bit more
expensive. Maybe in a few years time if I think about getting a better
Nikon like a D80 or something I could rethink the lens situation.

I also recently bought a Nikkor 50mm f1.8 lens, I paid around £60 for
it which to me even though it wont auto-focus with the D40 was great
value. I'm really enjoying using that prime lens as I like the bokeh
type shots, even though focusing is something a bit of a hit-and-miss
affair I love the wide aperture stuff too. So that is another lens to
my arsenal if nothing else ;)
Tony Polson - 23 Jan 2008 23:40 GMT
>I also recently bought a Nikkor 50mm f1.8 lens, I paid around £60 for
>it which to me even though it wont auto-focus with the D40 was great
>value. I'm really enjoying using that prime lens as I like the bokeh
>type shots

That lens has just about the worst, harshest bokeh of any Nikkor,
indeed of any lens I have ever used in the last 35 years.

You need to learn what "bokeh" actually means before you start
sprinkling it in sentences like sugar on your corn flakes.
Neil Harrington - 24 Jan 2008 00:12 GMT
> I also recently bought a Nikkor 50mm f1.8 lens, I paid around £60 for
> it which to me even though it wont auto-focus with the D40 was great
> value. I'm really enjoying using that prime lens as I like the bokeh
> type shots, even though focusing is something a bit of a hit-and-miss
> affair I love the wide aperture stuff too. So that is another lens to
> my arsenal if nothing else ;)

Yes indeed, the 50/1.8 is a great little lens and a great bargain. If you
find focusing uncertain with it, are you aware of the focus indicator in the
lower left corner of the viewfinder? While of course not as convenient as
autofocus, it does permit very accurate manual focusing.

Just FYI, "prime lens" does not mean fixed focal length lens, even though
lots of people here in the newsgroups misuse it that way and the misusage
has even occasionally spread to the printed page. "Prime lens" really means
the camera lens (whether fixed focal length or zoom, it's still the prime
lens) as opposed to some other lens or optical device used with it, such as
a closeup lens or tele converter.

Granted, "fixed focal length" is an inconveniently long thing to write,
which is why the nice, short but ignorant "prime" has become so popular. A
useful abbreviation for the correct term is "FFL," and its use is to be
strongly encouraged.

If we got rid of smallpox and polio we ought to be able to end the misusage
of "prime" as well. That's not happening yet, but hope springs eternal.

Neil
Greenbrightly - 24 Jan 2008 08:50 GMT
> > I also recently bought a Nikkor 50mm f1.8 lens, I paid around £60 for
> > it which to me even though it wont auto-focus with the D40 was great
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Neil

I'll take it on board thanks.
Sosumi - 24 Jan 2008 11:22 GMT
> Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
> 55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Thanks,

Getting a lens that outperforms your camera can be a good idea if you plan a
better camera later. Don't get me wrong: I had the D40, D40x, D80 and now I
have the D300, so I think I know (within reason ;-) what I'm talking about.
The first thing I would do, is replace the D40 with the D40x. Going from 6
to 10 MP is a big difference. I also found the D40x better with light
metering, even better than the D80 (now comes the storm of objectors). In
ergonomics the D80 would be a better choice for a man; a woman may prefer
the lighter D40x.
But if you want to start with a lens, forget about the hype of the 18-200
VR: it's very over rated and not really as good as to be expected for the
money.
A much better lens is the 18-135. No VR but much better and sharper than the
18-200. Matter of fact, SLRGear rates it 9.25 for image quality versus 8.19
for the 18-200. It also scores better than the more expensive 18-70, adding
almost twice the zoom.
You save quite a lot of money, better lens and much less weight and volume
(380 versus 560 grams!).
After long searching and reading I got it myself for the D300 and I'm very
pleased.

Maybe you'll save up some money and get the 70-300 VR later. That one is on
my wish list, next.

Signature

Sosumi

Steve - 25 Jan 2008 03:04 GMT
>Hi, I've been using a Nikon D40 for a while and have since bought a
>55-200mm VR lens. This seemed to be quite good value but I'm starting
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>different lenses or try to whittle them down to a few 'all
>ecompassing' lenses for multi-purpose.

Just about everyone who uses the 18-200 VR loves it.  That should tell
you something.  That being said, I think you'll notice the weight
difference between the 18-200 vs. either the 18-55 or 55-200 more with
your D40 than with my D200, which is already a much heavier body.  The
18-200 weighs a tiny bit little more than both of those lenses
together.  But it sure is fast and convenient to be able to go through
that zoom range without changing lenses.

If the 18-135 had VR I might go with that if it were significantly
cheaper then the 18-200 VR.  That's because there isn't nearly as much
difference in the field of view between 135 and 200 than say between
55 and 135.  But the 18-135 is only maybe $200 cheaper and it doesn't
have VR, which you already know you really appreciate with a slow long
lens.

But, the best person to answer your specific question is you.  When
you're taking pictures with your 18-55 and 55-200, how often do you
feel the need to change lenses?  And how much more convenient for
*you* would it be if you could just twist the zoom ring vs. switch the
lens?  If the type of photography you do doesn't require much lens
switching or there isn't much of a problem to change them, keep what
you have.  Otherwise, get the 18-200VR.  You'll love it.

Steve
Tony Polson - 25 Jan 2008 09:05 GMT
>Just about everyone who uses the 18-200 VR loves it.  That should tell
>you something.

It should tell you that the world is full of undiscerning people who
don't understand the meaning of "optical quality", and instead buy on
the basis of laziness.  The only reason to buy an 18-200mm lens is so
that you won't ever take it off your camera.  In which case why buy a
DSLR at all?  Why not buy a point and shoot camera or bridge camera
with an >11X zoom?  

There is no such thing as a good 11X zoom lens, unless you go into the
world of television and pay tens of thousands of dollars.  Just as
with 28-300mm lenses on 35mm film cameras, these consumer grade
superzooms costing a few hundred dollars are all junk.  Some are
slightly less bad than others, but they are all optically poor.

But that won't stop them selling in their millions, because there is
no shortage of undiscerning people who have low expectations and will
therefore not be disappointed.
Moro Grubb of Little Delving - 25 Jan 2008 15:32 GMT
>>Just about everyone who uses the 18-200 VR loves it.  That should tell
>>you something.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> no shortage of undiscerning people who have low expectations and will
> therefore not be disappointed.

By this logic, everybody should be driving a Ferrari or Rolls Royce, and all
Fords, Chevs, Volkswagens, Toyota, Hondas etc are "junk".
Not everybody needs the tools to drive 150 MPH, or the means to do so.

I have a D40 with the kit 18-55, the 55-200 VR, and the 18-200 VR, and can
say that the 55-200 hasn't been on the camera since I got the 18-200. I have
no aspirations of working for National Geographic, but my results have been
quite satisfying. I love it.

I would consider disposing of the 55-200, but would probably keep the 18-55
because its so small and light, and there are occasions where I won't want
to tote the 18-200 (social functions, etc)

/M
Tony Polson - 25 Jan 2008 15:59 GMT
>I have a D40 with the kit 18-55, the 55-200 VR, and the 18-200 VR, and can
>say that the 55-200 hasn't been on the camera since I got the 18-200.

I'm not surprised.  The 18-55mm is one of the worst lenses that has
ever been offered under the Nikon brand.  The 55-200mm is so variable
that you never know what results you will get from one.  The 18-200mm
is just as bad as the other two combined, so you might as well leave
it on the camera and forget about the others.

Have you ever used any good lenses?  I don't mean Leica, Zeiss or
anything exotic.  There are plenty of good Nikkors.  It's just that
they don't include any of the three consumer lenses that you have,
which are basically junk lenses built down to a consumer-grade price.

Try a 50mm f/1.8 and you will see results that are much, much sharper
than any of your three lenses can produce.  But stick to
consumer-grade zooms and you will get only consumer-grade results.
Neil Harrington - 25 Jan 2008 17:26 GMT
>> I have a D40 with the kit 18-55, the 55-200 VR, and the 18-200 VR,
>> and can say that the 55-200 hasn't been on the camera since I got
>> the 18-200.
>
> I'm not surprised.  The 18-55mm is one of the worst lenses that has
> ever been offered under the Nikon brand.

That's utter nonsense. The 18-55 is a great little lens, very sharp, very
light and handy, and unusually close focusing for that kind of a lens.

You may be thinking of the Canon 18-55, which is so notorious for its poor
quality that even Canon enthusiasts call it trash.

> The 55-200mm is so variable
> that you never know what results you will get from one.

There's bound to be *some* variability in any lenses and especially zooms,
but I'm sure you grossly exaggerate the case of the 55-200 VR -- which has
gotten excellent reviews in published lens tests as well as from
enthusiastic owners. And I'm very happy with mine.

> The 18-200mm
> is just as bad as the other two combined, so you might as well leave
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> they don't include any of the three consumer lenses that you have,
> which are basically junk lenses built down to a consumer-grade price.

Nonsense repeated several times is still nonsense. It never improves with
repetition.

> Try a 50mm f/1.8 and you will see results that are much, much sharper
> than any of your three lenses can produce.

Indeed, I have a 50/1.8 Nikkor in addition to the others mentioned here and
it's great. I have an 85/1.8 also and that's great too. However, I seldom
carry either of these truly great lenses around on the camera because they
have one very serious drawback -- they're stuck at those respective focal
lengths, and therefore lack the flexibility, versatility and convenience of
the zooms. And for most ordinary purposes -- viewing on a computer screen or
reasonably sized prints -- you can't see the difference anyway. So for me
the 50 and 85 primarily serve as available-light lenses.

> But stick to
> consumer-grade zooms and you will get only consumer-grade results.

Better those than vacuous snobbishness any day of the week.

Neil
Sosumi - 25 Jan 2008 20:44 GMT
>>> I have a D40 with the kit 18-55, the 55-200 VR, and the 18-200 VR,
>>> and can say that the 55-200 hasn't been on the camera since I got
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Better those than vacuous snobbishness any day of the week.

I totally agree with you. I've had the 18-55, 18-70 and 55-200 VR. Now I
have only the 50 1.8 and the 18-135.
The 18-55 is quite good. I got some very good pictures with it. Only
drawback is the lack of zoom length. I traded all for what I have now and
hope to get a 70-300 VR in the near future.
Funny enough people are so happy with the 18-200 VR, like it's a miracle. It
isn't. If something moves, you still need more speeds ;-) I just think it's
way too heavy, expensive and doesn't perform as well for it's price as the
135.

Signature

Sosumi

Neil Harrington - 25 Jan 2008 22:03 GMT
>>> "Moro Grubb of Little Delving" <scarlettnell@nospamhotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
> I just think it's way too heavy, expensive and doesn't perform as
> well for it's price as the 135.

I have both but haven't really compared them side by side. I love the 18-135
myself. It's about as long a non-stabilized lens as I can comfortably hand
hold on a DX camera without bracing against something solid. The 18-200 VR
cost so much I worry about traveling with it, which takes some of the fun
out of owning it. I don't like to carry real expensive stuff in airline
terminals. I suppose that's silly, but . . .

I'll be going to Florida in a couple of weeks, and haven't made my mind up
between taking either the 18-135, or the 18-55 and 55-200 VR.

Neil
Jay - 26 Jan 2008 03:19 GMT
Or instead of the 18-135, the 18-55, the 55-200 you could just bring the
single 18-200.

Lighter, cheaper if you loose all your equipment vs loosing three lenses,
not to mention you won't have to change a lens.

J

> I'll be going to Florida in a couple of weeks, and haven't made my mind up
> between taking either the 18-135, or the 18-55 and 55-200 VR.
>
> Neil
Tony Polson - 26 Jan 2008 08:55 GMT
>Or instead of the 18-135, the 18-55, the 55-200 you could just bring the
>single 18-200.
>
>Lighter, cheaper if you loose all your equipment vs loosing three lenses,
>not to mention you won't have to change a lens.

And what's the reason you buy a DSLR?  

So you don't ever have to change lenses?
Wilba - 26 Jan 2008 11:47 GMT
>> Or instead of the 18-135, the 18-55, the 55-200 you could just bring
>> the single 18-200.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> So you don't ever have to change lenses?

You sound like you're picking a fight, Tony. :-)  'Cos I'm certain you well
know that lens interchangability isn't the only reason for chosing a DSLR.
Jay - 27 Jan 2008 00:01 GMT
Nope!
But it is the reason we buy an 18-200 lens.

J

> And what's the reason you buy a DSLR?
>
> So you don't ever have to change lenses?
Tony Polson - 27 Jan 2008 13:02 GMT
>Nope!
>But it is the reason we buy an 18-200 lens.

So the fact that the lens is junk, optically, doesn't come into it.
Neil Harrington - 27 Jan 2008 17:44 GMT
>>Nope!
>>But it is the reason we buy an 18-200 lens.
>
> So the fact that the lens is junk, optically, doesn't come into it.

It isn't "junk, optically." That's simply absurd.

The 18-200 VR has been by far the most sought-after Nikon lens in recent
memory, selling at well over its list price for more than a year after its
introduction. The reason for this is that it's an enormously useful tool for
photographers, including many of those who make their living with a camera.
The fact that you personally object to its impressive 11x zoom range does
not make it "junk."

When you see a $750 list price lens selling for over $1,000 month after
month after month, that should suggest to you that there's something mighty
special about it that makes it so popular.

Obviously, any superzoom must make some compromises for the sake of zoom
range. But after testing the Nikon 18-200 VR thoroughly Pop Photo says,
"Optically, this is the best superzoom we've seen."
http://www.popphoto.com/cameralenses/2763/lens-test-nikon-18-200mm-f35-56g-dx-vr
-af-s.html

wally - 27 Jan 2008 20:28 GMT
I this review from popphoto it says this lens is not compatible with Nikon
teleconverters, extension rings etc.

Could someone tell me why?

thanks

>>>Nope!
>>>But it is the reason we buy an 18-200 lens.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> "Optically, this is the best superzoom we've seen."
> http://www.popphoto.com/cameralenses/2763/lens-test-nikon-18-200mm-f35-56g-dx-vr
-af-s.html
Neil Harrington - 27 Jan 2008 20:59 GMT
>I this review from popphoto it says this lens is not compatible with Nikon
>teleconverters, extension rings etc.
>
> Could someone tell me why?
>
> thanks

It's f/5.6 at the long end, so even a 1.4x tele converter would make it f/8
wide open which is probably not a large enough relative aperture for
autofocus to work reliably. Not owning either, I don't know whether tele
converters and/or extension tubes send the necessary lens information to the
camera body, but if they don't that would be another reason.

Neil
nospam - 27 Jan 2008 21:09 GMT
> I this review from popphoto it says this lens is not compatible with Nikon
> teleconverters, extension rings etc.

nikon teleconverters have a protruding element that can hit the rear
element of the 18-200.  teleconverters from third parties don't have
this issue and generally work.

another issue is that the lens is already f/5.6 at the long end and
that's the official limit of the autofocus sytem.  any teleconverter
will add at least one stop, bringing it past the official limit and
potentially affecting focusing.  however, in reality, it's not a
problem except in very dim light.

as for extension rings, the design of the lens is such that adding one
prevents the lens from focusing on anything.  that's not unusual with
very sophisticated lens designs.  close-up lenses work fine, but a real
macro lens is ideal.
Neil Harrington - 27 Jan 2008 01:24 GMT
> Or instead of the 18-135, the 18-55, the 55-200 you could just bring the
> single 18-200.
>
> Lighter, cheaper if you loose all your equipment vs loosing three lenses,

Well, I wouldn't take all three. It would be the 18-135 *or* the 18-55 and
55-200 VR. In either case that would be losing less money than if I lost the
18-200 VR. And the 18-200 VR is substantially heavier than any of the
others.

> not to mention you won't have to change a lens.

Yes, that'd be really the one big plus over the two lighter lenses. Of
course with the 18-135 alone I wouldn't have to change lenses either, but
that would put me at more of a disadvantage when shooting gliding pelicans.
Oh well, I still have almost two weeks to decide.

Neil
ASAAR - 31 Jan 2008 06:15 GMT
> I'll be going to Florida in a couple of weeks, and haven't made my mind up
> between taking either the 18-135, or the 18-55 and 55-200 VR.

 You, more than most others here are likely to have more than one
DSLR body.  If so, why not take one with the 18-135 mounted on it
and the 55-200VR on the other?  Dust during lens changes won't be a
problem unless one of the bodies fails, and then you'll have a
backup body to save the day!  :)
Neil Harrington - 31 Jan 2008 15:18 GMT
>> I'll be going to Florida in a couple of weeks, and haven't made my mind
>> up
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> problem unless one of the bodies fails, and then you'll have a
> backup body to save the day!  :)

That's true, but I'm seriously trying to keep size and weight down. And I'll
be taking a Coolpix along with the DSLR, mostly for shooting out the
airplane window. (I want to try some aerial stereo photography, using the
distance the plane flies between shots as the stereo base, and I think a
small camera is better suited to that.)

Neil
 
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