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sandeep - 25 Oct 2007 15:11 GMT
Hi friends,

These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
for a very expensive one, some where in the mid range would do for me.
For a novice like me , a beginner with no prior knowledge about cams
and photography which one can i go for. It would be great if you can
suggest me something. If this is the wrong place to ask these kind of
questions, I am sorry for wasting your time.

Thanks and Regards
- Sandeep
David J Taylor - 25 Oct 2007 15:42 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
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> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

Sandeep,

The lowest price end of the Nikon range is the D40, sold with an 18 - 55mm
lens.  You can get very good results with such kit, and there is a 10MP
variant with better resolution, the D40X.  Canon offer something similar -
400D.  Try handling both in a shop and seeing which you prefer, as
handling is an important aspect.  Both major brands (Nikon and Canon) can
produce excellent results.

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond40/

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond40x/

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos400d/

If price is very important, maybe a refurbished or second-hand camera
would be a possibility?

DSLRs typically cost more, and weigh more than compact cameras, and if
taking photos (rather than simply owning a DSLR) is your aim, you should
also consider the better compact cameras such as the Panasonic FZ18 and
TZ3.  They are very good value for money, but don't have quite the same
speed of response, or the ability to work in low light levels as a DSLR
(because the sensor in the compact camera is smaller, and the auto-focus
mechanism is different).

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Panasonic/panasonic_dmcfz18.asp

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonictz3/

Cheers,
David
Yvon Travailler - 25 Oct 2007 23:42 GMT
> The lowest price end of the Nikon range is the D40, sold with an 18 - 55mm
> lens.  You can get very good results with such kit, and there is a 10MP
> variant with better resolution, the D40X.  Canon offer something similar -
> 400D.  Try handling both in a shop and seeing which you prefer, as
> handling is an important aspect.  Both major brands (Nikon and Canon) can
> produce excellent results.

go with a Nikon or a Canon, avoid Pentax and Olympus.

The problem with the D40 and the D40x is the incompatibily with older lenses
(manual focus only).

Revel XTI (aka 400d) or Rebet XT are probably the bests deals right now.

Skip the kit lens and get yourself a Sigma 18-70 instead.
Yvon Travailler - 26 Oct 2007 00:03 GMT
> Skip the kit lens and get yourself a Sigma 18-70 instead.

17-70
acl - 26 Oct 2007 00:16 GMT
> > The lowest price end of the Nikon range is the D40, sold with an 18 - 55mm
> > lens.  You can get very good results with such kit, and there is a 10MP
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> The problem with the D40 and the D40x is the incompatibily with older lenses
> (manual focus only).

They also do not autofocus with screw-driven AF lenses (such as the
50mm f/1.8 or the 85mm f/1.8).

> Revel XTI (aka 400d) or Rebet XT are probably the bests deals right now.
>
> Skip the kit lens and get yourself a Sigma 18-70 instead.
Yvon Travailler - 26 Oct 2007 01:17 GMT
> > > The lowest price end of the Nikon range is the D40, sold with an 18 - 55mm
> > > lens.  You can get very good results with such kit, and there is a 10MP
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> They also do not autofocus with screw-driven AF lenses (such as the
> 50mm f/1.8 or the 85mm f/1.8).

euh, thats exactly waht I said, hehehe
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 08:11 GMT
>> The lowest price end of the Nikon range is the D40, sold with an 18 -
>> 55mm
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> go with a Nikon or a Canon, avoid Pentax and Olympus.

Great advice, they are woeful cameras, lower priced and better featured than
the others will only confuse him and when he needs more features he can just
buy another camera. ;-)
Jürgen Exner - 25 Oct 2007 16:02 GMT
> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
> DSLR. [...]
> For a novice like me , a beginner with no prior knowledge about cams
> and photography which one can i go for.

Based on your statement that you have _no_ prior knowledge of photography I
would suggest to stay away from SLRs at this time and instead start with a
lower medium range Point&Shoot, maybe in the 150-200$ range.
While lacking the versatility and power of SLRs they do make good photos,
are easier to handle, and require less knowledge. They are good tools to
learn composition and develop an eye for possible motives.

Once you master your P&S you will have a much better understanding of what
to look for in a camera and more important what your needs for your personal
style of photography are and you can then purchase a SLR that fits _your_
needs rather than some generic "I am a beginner" need.

jue
Aad - 25 Oct 2007 16:36 GMT
>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>> DSLR. [...]
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> jue
And maybe a more advanced P&S with the possibilities to go over to Manual
settings.
It might be a good way to start learning about 'catching light'.
Beside that, a DLSR will benefit from good glas. If you start with a good
body and cheap glass the results can be dissapointing.
The second step for you wil be handling the software.
A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
A DLSR picture will always need some adjustment/improvement/sharpening with
software like Photoshop (element), Paint Shop Pro, etc.
Succes
Aad
Jürgen Exner - 25 Oct 2007 17:20 GMT
> A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
> A DLSR picture will always need some
> adjustment/improvement/sharpening with software like Photoshop
> (element), Paint Shop Pro, etc. Succes

Sorry, but this is just nonsense.
Unless you are shooting in RAW (which cannot be displayed by any standard
devices and therefore must be converted) there is just as much or as little
need to post-process a photo from a dSLR as from a P&S. Actually I would
even argue that SLRs in general are producing better photos (considering
technical aspects), therefore there is less need to postprocess them.

However the typical user of a SLR is likely to be more demanding and
therefore he is more likely to postprocess.

jue
David J Taylor - 25 Oct 2007 17:26 GMT
[]
> A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
> A DLSR picture will always need some
> adjustment/improvement/sharpening with software like Photoshop
> (element), Paint Shop Pro, etc. Succes
> Aad

If my DSLR pictures always required post-processing, I would regard the
camera as faulty and take it back!  I am a believer in the "get it right
in the camera" way of working, and post-processing is usually only
required to repair damage, crop, or make multi-picture wide-angle shots.

Cheers,
David
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 08:12 GMT
> []
>> A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Cheers,
> David

That is a nonsense, you are missing out on being able to print better
picutres.
David J Taylor - 26 Oct 2007 08:38 GMT
>> []
>>> A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> That is a nonsense, you are missing out on being able to print better
> picutres.

Sorry, but a camera which produces pictures which /always/ require post
processing is not one which I would accept, and in my view at least, is
faulty.  The great majority of pictures should /not/ require
post-processing.  By the way, I come from previously having taken slides -
where post-processing is next to impossible - so I am used to getting the
picture correct in the camera itself.

By far the majority of my viewing of images is done on the monitor screen
(or TV or projector), so I don't have the problems like the limited colour
range of printed material.

I'm not saying that all post-processing is wrong - far from it.  If that's
the way you prefer to work so be it.  But it should not be a requirement
of using a DSLR vesus a compact camera.

Cheers,
David
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 10:22 GMT
>>> []
>>>> A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> where post-processing is next to impossible - so I am used to getting the
> picture correct in the camera itself.

So all your slides came straight from your camera, must have been one of
them there polaroid ones.

Just because you were not in the darkroom when they were processed does not
mean work was not done.

> By far the majority of my viewing of images is done on the monitor screen
> (or TV or projector), so I don't have the problems like the limited colour
> range of printed material.

How sad!

> I'm not saying that all post-processing is wrong - far from it.  If that's
> the way you prefer to work so be it.  But it should not be a requirement
> of using a DSLR vesus a compact camera.

Any and I do mean absolutely all D-SLR camera can have their jpegs set to
give a ready to print result straight from the camera, the better ones will
let you develop RAW in the camera and produce jpegs from the ones you
choose.

There is a trade off of course and if you are happy with that all the time
then more power to you, the workflow with tols such as Lightroom can be just
as quick as importing directly from your memory card.

> Cheers,
> David

Dare to experiment David and try and see just how powerful RAW can be and
you will reap the results. I will admit to doing a mixture of jpeg and RAW
but RAW certainly has much greater potential if you are willing to try. I
also will admit that the biggest print I have done 2.5 metres x 0.6 metres
was shot in jpeg mode.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1330/1415466557_70f7d7772f_o.jpg

Cheers.

Pete
David J Taylor - 26 Oct 2007 11:05 GMT
[]
> So all your slides came straight from your camera, must have been one
> of them there polaroid ones.
>
> Just because you were not in the darkroom when they were processed
> does not mean work was not done.

I used mostly Kodachrome and Ektachrome, where every single image on the
cassette was processed identically, and every cassette was processed
nominally identically to every other.

>> By far the majority of my viewing of images is done on the monitor
>> screen (or TV or projector), so I don't have the problems like the
>> limited colour range of printed material.
>
> How sad!

I forgot about the Chrsitmas cards and calendars I have made.

>> I'm not saying that all post-processing is wrong - far from it.  If
>> that's the way you prefer to work so be it.  But it should not be a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> time then more power to you, the workflow with tols such as Lightroom
> can be just as quick as importing directly from your memory card.

Last measurement I made importing from a card was 321 files totalling
216MB in 273 seconds.

> Dare to experiment David and try and see just how powerful RAW can be
> and you will reap the results. I will admit to doing a mixture of
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Pete

Nice one!  Several images combined, or one single shot?

Oh, perhaps if I had the time I might do more RAW, but much of my
photography is events when hundreds of photos are taken each day.  Often
Motor Racing, so getting the optimum exposure to within 1/3 of a stop is
not the major concern.  The subject and composition telling the story of
the event or the personality is much more important.

All of these were JPEGs, almost all straight of the camera.  Mostly Nikon
D40, some Ricoh R6.

 http://david-taylor.fotopic.net/c1322695.html

Doubtless many could be better!

Cheers,
David
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 11:43 GMT
>> Dare to experiment David and try and see just how powerful RAW can be
>> and you will reap the results. I will admit to doing a mixture of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Nice one!  Several images combined, or one single shot?

Six shots joined with Autostitch.

> Oh, perhaps if I had the time I might do more RAW, but much of my
> photography is events when hundreds of photos are taken each day.  Often
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Doubtless many could be better!

Maybe! I am a lazy PPer but a little work can really make a big difference.

Pete

> Cheers,
> David
steve - 25 Oct 2007 21:49 GMT
> A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
> A DLSR picture will always need some adjustment/improvement/sharpening
> with software like Photoshop (element), Paint Shop Pro, etc.

Have you got this the wrong way around?
Aad - 26 Oct 2007 10:19 GMT
>> A P&S wil deliver you 'ready' or 'almost ready' pictures.
>> A DLSR picture will always need some adjustment/improvement/sharpening
>> with software like Photoshop (element), Paint Shop Pro, etc.
>
> Have you got this the wrong way around?

No I dont't. When all the settings in 'standard' you wil notice that P&S
pics are more 'crisp' then DSLR pics.
Ofcourse you can change the settings but if you don't, you will see a big
difference when you make bigger prints. (20x30 or bigger)
DSLR pics will always come up better with a little Unsharp Masking. (at
least)
Aad
Andrew Haley - 26 Oct 2007 10:47 GMT
>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>> DSLR. [...]
>> For a novice like me , a beginner with no prior knowledge about cams
>> and photography which one can i go for.

> Based on your statement that you have _no_ prior knowledge of
> photography I would suggest to stay away from SLRs at this time and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> knowledge. They are good tools to learn composition and develop an
> eye for possible motives.

I don't believe a word of this: P&S cameras are never the best thing
to use, even for an absolute beginner.  I've put a D1x into the hands
of a total novice, given a few minutes instructions and said "go
shoot".  It was fine.  

P&S cameras are not easier for a beginner to use than DSLRs, and the
performance will be far worse.  Because of the better lenses and
generally higher performance, a beginner will get more encouraging
results from the start.  The only thing they need to know is how to
put it into "full auto" mode.

Andrew.
Jürgen Exner - 26 Oct 2007 15:17 GMT
>>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>>> DSLR. [...]
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> results from the start.  The only thing they need to know is how to
> put it into "full auto" mode.

Well, if you have an unlimited check book, then it really doesn't matter, I
guess.

In the real world things are different. If you've no experience with alcohol
than it is simply a waste to buy the 25 year old Talisker or Courvoisier for
100+$ a bottle because you wouldn't know the difference to a much cheaper
standard brandy anyway as long as it's not totally bottom end. You simply
lack the experience and knowledge.

Same with photography and cameras. I am very happy with my D80 and would
never buy a D3 for the simple reason, that for my needs at my current level
and medium-term foreseeable future level I don't need a D3 and I wouldn't
take advantage of the additional features of a D3. Therefore why not save
some money by _not_ buying a top of the line gadget when a simpler one will
work, too.

Don't forget: the most important photographic equipment is behind the view
finder, no matter if it's holding a slr or a p&s.

jue
Andrew Haley - 27 Oct 2007 13:34 GMT
>>>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>>>> DSLR. [...]
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>> the hands of a total novice, given a few minutes instructions and
>> said "go shoot".  It was fine.

>> P&S cameras are not easier for a beginner to use than DSLRs, and
>> the performance will be far worse.  Because of the better lenses
>> and generally higher performance, a beginner will get more
>> encouraging results from the start.  The only thing they need to
>> know is how to put it into "full auto" mode.

> Well, if you have an unlimited check book, then it really doesn't
> matter, I guess.

A decent DSLR is not that expensive.  For example, a Nikon D40 can be
had for about 300 GBP.

Anyone who is reasonably intelligent and interested will rapidly get
better results with a DSLR than with a point 'n shoot.  As I said
above, this is not theorizing: I have done the experiment.  To the
OP: if you're really interested in photography, get a DSLR.  You
probably won't regret it.

> Same with photography and cameras. I am very happy with my D80 and
> would never buy a D3 for the simple reason, that for my needs at my
> current level and medium-term foreseeable future level I don't need
> a D3 and I wouldn't take advantage of the additional features of a
> D3. Therefore why not save some money by _not_ buying a top of the
> line gadget when a simpler one will work, too.

But point 'n shoot cameras are *not* simpler to use than DSLRs.  The
controls that you really need to use when learning photography are
hidden in a maze of bewildering menus.  If it takes ages to find the
basic controls, you're probably not going to use them.

There may be an argument for a simple and small camera that is
designed for people who want to learn and also for experts, with the
essential basic controls readily to hand.

> Don't forget: the most important photographic equipment is behind
> the view finder, no matter if it's holding a SLR or a p&s.

Sure, but given a level of skill, you will probably get better results
and learn faster with a DSLR.

Andrew.
Bigguy - 25 Oct 2007 16:35 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

Have a look at the Nikon D40, and have a play with it if possible...

Guy
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 08:13 GMT
>> Hi friends,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Guy

And then buy almost any other camera and get better feature list.
David J Taylor - 26 Oct 2007 08:37 GMT
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> And then buy almost any other camera and get better feature list.

For a beginner, having fewer features may be better, allowing them to
concentrate on the creative aspects of photography.  To actually take some
pictures.  More features don't necessarily make for better pictures.

David
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 10:26 GMT
>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> David

MLU, Spot metering and in camera stabilisation are worth every cent you pay
for them, Pentax K100D has all these. Excellent beginners camera that will
grow with the user. Will actually metter properly with any lens you can
mount, try that with the others.
David J Taylor - 26 Oct 2007 10:47 GMT
[]
> MLU, Spot metering and in camera stabilisation are worth every cent
> you pay for them, Pentax K100D has all these. Excellent beginners
> camera that will grow with the user. Will actually metter properly
> with any lens you can mount, try that with the others.

The D40 and D40x have spot metering.  I disagree about in-camera image
stabilisation, and think that in-lens is better as it also stabilises the
image in the viewfinder and on the focus sensors.  Nikon supply at least
one low-cost image stabilised lens suitable for a beginner - the
55-200mm - and it has good image quality.  Yes, you don't have mirror
lockup.

Cheers,
David
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 11:47 GMT
> []
>> MLU, Spot metering and in camera stabilisation are worth every cent
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Cheers,
> David

Thats good that they have spot metering cos the skanky Canons don't. Every
lens that mounts on the K100D will be stabilised, if you want that on your
D40 you have to buy it every time, not good for a beginner. At moderate
lengths the viewfinder is not a problem.
David J Taylor - 26 Oct 2007 13:52 GMT
> "David J Taylor"
[]
>> The D40 and D40x have spot metering.
[]
> Thats good that they have spot metering cos the skanky Canons don't.
> Every lens that mounts on the K100D will be stabilised, if you want
> that on your D40 you have to buy it every time, not good for a
> beginner. At moderate lengths the viewfinder is not a problem.

Pete,

It rather depends on how many lenses the beginner envisages buying.  As a
starter outfit, for the Nikon D40/D40X the 18 - 55 and 55 - 200 VR make an
excellent, light-weight, low-cost combination.

You are right that IS/VR makes more difference at the longer focal
lengths, and seeing the image stabilise in the viewfinder makes you
realise just how much extra in-lens IS/VR gives you.  Try it on something
like a 300mm if you get the chance, perhaps at your local dealers.

Cheers,
David
Paul Mitchum - 27 Oct 2007 21:53 GMT
David J Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
wrote:

> >>> Hi friends,
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> For a beginner, having fewer features may be better, allowing them to
> concentrate on the creative aspects of photography. [..]

Those features *are* the creative aspects of photography.

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Bruce - 30 Oct 2007 01:58 GMT
Have a look at the D40X version with the 18-70mm Nikkor.

Bruce
Bigguy - 26 Oct 2007 16:20 GMT
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> And then buy almost any other camera and get better feature list.

No, keep it simple and learn the basics... yes you'll probably end up
buying another camera in the future, but by then you will know what you
really want/need.

More 'features' are the last thing a novice needs.

Good manual controls, descent lens, accurate metering...

Most P+S cameras drive me nuts with poor ergonomics and over complex
control systems; learn aperture, shutter, exposure, composition NOT 24
different 'modes'.

Just my 10 cents worth  ;-)  I am old school...

Guy
Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 21:20 GMT
>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> control systems; learn aperture, shutter, exposure, composition NOT 24
> different 'modes'.

The K100D fills this perfectly.

> Just my 10 cents worth  ;-)  I am old school...
>
> Guy
Mr. Strat - 25 Oct 2007 17:08 GMT
> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
> DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> suggest me something. If this is the wrong place to ask these kind of
> questions, I am sorry for wasting your time.

I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.
David J Taylor - 25 Oct 2007 17:30 GMT
>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>> DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

Manual control is, though.

Unless, of course, learning about composition and getting the eye and
brain tuned for photo opportunities is what photography is really about,
rather than the detailed mechanics of equipment.....

<G>

David
Bill - 25 Oct 2007 22:45 GMT
>I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

I certainly do.  Before digital, there was little choice between SLR's
and point and shoots (except for the almighty instamatic <g>).  If you
were interested in learning photography, you bought an SLR.  I think
the same holds true today.  Before you learn, you can always set a
DSLR to auto to get the shots you really must have.  As you learn, you
have more latitude to advance with typically more features and more
latitude to expand your options with better lenses. Most Digital
cameras are backward compatible with their lenses and this investment
can be carried forward should you decide to upgrade the body.

With a point and shoot, your investment is lost should you decide to
move up, IMHO.

Bill
Jeffrey Kaplan - 26 Oct 2007 00:51 GMT
It is alleged that Bill claimed:

> I certainly do.  Before digital, there was little choice between SLR's
> and point and shoots (except for the almighty instamatic <g>).  If you
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> With a point and shoot, your investment is lost should you decide to
> move up, IMHO.

I still use my P&S.  About a year and a half ago, I upgraded from a
Sony DSC S85 to a Casio ZX-500, in large part because of the size
difference.  The Casio easily fits in my pocket, and is therefore my
"always have" camera.  That camera is always with me, and I use it for
spur-of-the-moment snapshots and places where I wouldn't take my Nikon
D40x.  Like on a fishing boat in the harbor, to a wedding I'm a part
of, etc.

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BobF@home.com - 26 Oct 2007 00:58 GMT
>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>> DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

I do... if you want to LEARN...

How can you learn from a point and shoot?

A DSLR can be set to fully auto to start (like a P&S) and then different
features can be tried out to learn stuff... go from zero to hero!

I got an SLR when I was 20, and I sure don't regret it!
David J Taylor - 26 Oct 2007 07:20 GMT
[]
> How can you learn from a point and shoot?

Composition, zooming, depth-of-field control, spotting a photo, cropping,
multi-picture combining for wide-angles, stealth photography (thinking
waist level viewing, angle finders etc.).  The better compact cameras
offer full manual control, without the hassle of lens changing or sensor
cleaning.

David
ben brugman - 26 Oct 2007 19:28 GMT
>> How can you learn from a point and shoot?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> David

Composition Yes,
Zooming (this is compositon as well I think) Yes
depth-of-field control (not on most point and shoot's) NONE *)
spotting a photo (Yes even more with a ps because that can be carried more
easely and not unimportant can from hip to foto is often faster than a SLR
from
hip to foto). **)
Manul al control is limited *)
No lens changing. Yes.
No sensor cleaning Yes, but if you get dust on the sensor (not totaly
unlickely)
it's virtual impossible to remove.

*)
There is hardly depth-of-field control, with the aperature of 3.3
which is the equivalent of 20 on a full frame camera,
there is not much control.
So because of the aperatur equivalent, you mostly end up using the
larges aperature and the fastest speed possible.
This is different from a DSLR.

**)
I own next to a D70 a TZ3 (28-280 equivalent), from hip to shoot is less
time
than getting the D70 out of where-ever it is. Taking the camera (D70) of of
it's bag
cost more time than taking the TZ3 out of it's small bag. So for the TZ3
there is
more oppertunity. (Except in difficult circumstances where the D70 wins).

ben
David J Taylor - 26 Oct 2007 21:05 GMT
[]
> *)
> There is hardly depth-of-field control, with the aperature of 3.3
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> larges aperature and the fastest speed possible.
> This is different from a DSLR.
[]
> ben

Different, yes, but I find that with the longer end of the telephoto on a
compact camera (e.g. 432mm) there's plenty of opportunity for getting
out-of-focus backgrounds.  Certain enoguh to teach a beginner the
principles.  Yes, there's more scope on a DSLR.

Cheers,
David
Chris Malcolm - 27 Oct 2007 09:40 GMT
>>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>>> DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>>I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

> I do... if you want to LEARN...

> How can you learn from a point and shoot?

If it's a point & shoot which has the same adjustments as a DSLR,
e.g. full manual, then you learn in exactly the same way. And because
it's smaller and you carry it around more often, you learn more
quickly and in more varied circumstances.

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Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 08:15 GMT
>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>> DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

Of course it is, much better than using a P&S, any D-SLR will have good Av,
Tv and manual modes, much easier to use and learn than a P&S in manual mode.
Chris Malcolm - 27 Oct 2007 09:55 GMT
>>> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
>>> DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

> Of course it is, much better than using a P&S, any D-SLR will have good Av,
> Tv and manual modes, much easier to use and learn than a P&S in manual mode.

I think the problem is that you're comparing a generic average DSLR
with a generic average P&S. I suspect that whatever particular kind of
semi-automatic adjustment on a DSLR you care to pick, you will be able
to find a P&S with the same.

The difference is that while most DSLRs will probably have it, most
P&S's won't. But this generic sneering at *all* P&Ss is a silly in the
digital camera world as it was in the pre-digital world. There always
were, and always will be, non-SLRs which for a given kind of
adjustments and image quality offered SLR quality at half the SLR
price, simply because the SLR concept involves extra mechanical and
optical engineering which you have to pay for.

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Stanislav Meduna - 26 Oct 2007 10:09 GMT
> I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

Erm, why? The learning curve is steeper, sure, but one
will learn good habits right from the start.

While I agree that the photographer is much more important
than a camera, way too many people coming from P&S (or even
worse cellphone cameras) have _no_ idea that something like
depth of field exist and do not understand all the variables
that come into play when taking a shot. They just did not
need to...

Now that the DSLRs are quite affordable and the price
gap to (better) P&S is not that large I'd suggest
to get the DSLR. And maybe get some P&S later for
situations where one does not want to carry the bulk.

I started with my parents' film SLR when I was a child.
It is not a problem if one is willing to learn and does
not expect the camera to make all the decisions.

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Chris Malcolm - 27 Oct 2007 10:05 GMT
>> I don't know that a DSLR is the place to begin learning photography.

> Erm, why? The learning curve is steeper, sure, but one
> will learn good habits right from the start.

> While I agree that the photographer is much more important
> than a camera, way too many people coming from P&S (or even
> worse cellphone cameras) have _no_ idea that something like
> depth of field exist and do not understand all the variables
> that come into play when taking a shot. They just did not
> need to...

But you can get P&Ss with full manual if that's what you want. I
suspect that most people in the street with a DSLR also haven't a clue
about all the variables because they also don't need to. I know some
people with DSLRs who long ago gave up fiddling with the controls
after finding that the camera on full auto always did a much better
job than they knew how to.

> Now that the DSLRs are quite affordable and the price
> gap to (better) P&S is not that large I'd suggest
> to get the DSLR.

I don't think you're making a fair comparison. I suspect that if you
compare a P&S with a DSLR plus kit zoom which is near the same price
you'll get much better image quality from the P&S. The DSLR concept
involves extra mechanical and optical engineering which you have to
pay for.

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rarewolf - 25 Oct 2007 20:01 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

If I were you, I would opt for one of the better point&shoot dcams.  I
just purchased my wife the Canon G7 after weighing it against the
Ricoh GX-100 and the Panasonic LX-2.  This is one sweet camera, even
if it cannot deliver raw files ... but its succesor, G9, can.

I also suggest you hang out at DPReview.com for a couple of days and
browse the forums.

cheerios from a Oly E-300 owner.
sheepdog 2007 - 25 Oct 2007 22:37 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

If you intend to take snapshots like most casual camera owners, I'd say
buy a point & shoot digital and spend no more than $250-300USD for your
first one. Are you someone who takes a lot of pictures with your mobile
phone? If so, the upgrade in picture quality will likely keep you
interested for long enough to make decisions when and if you feel the
need to upgrade further, or to take a different path.

If your interest is in actually learning to be a good photographer, and
if you are just assuming a digital SLR is the only way to learn, it
isn't. Start by enrolling in a basic photography course. If you are
fortunate, the instructor will steer you towards black and white film
and a basic, all-manual camera. You'll learn to see in terms of
composition, texture & lighting. At the same time, you'll begin to make
images that tell a story, express an emotion, or capture a moment of
time.

As you acquire some mastery of the medium you'll have a better idea
what equipment works for you.  If you start off with too much
technology, it will only get in the way of expression. If you buy a new
tool only when you actually need it, you'll be in charge, not the
marketing department of Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc.
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BobF@home.com - 26 Oct 2007 00:53 GMT
>Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Thanks and Regards
>- Sandeep

Look into the Sony Alpha 100... it's priced down around $700 now, is great for
beginners, takes great pics, and you have a choice of lenses when you buy it.
Also fits into a small bag.

Has the same 10m sensor as the Nikon D200.

Has anti shake built it.

The menu system is very good for beginners because you don't have to scroll for
items... in fact, you can do most things with a knob and a few buttons. And only
one data screen to worry about - no top screen.

Also comes with excellent software to learn RAW format editing. With other cams
you may need to buy something else.

Fits the old Minolta system as well...

I like mine, I carry it everywhere, with a 18-200mm lens.

I also have a Nikon D70.
nospam - 26 Oct 2007 05:24 GMT
> Has the same 10m sensor as the Nikon D200.

the sensor in the d200 is made to nikon specs and differs slightly from
the one in the sony a100 in several ways, one of which being 4 channel
readout so it can maintain 5fps (versus 3fps on the sony).
BobF@home.com - 27 Oct 2007 01:56 GMT
>> Has the same 10m sensor as the Nikon D200.
>
>the sensor in the d200 is made to nikon specs and differs slightly from
>the one in the sony a100 in several ways, one of which being 4 channel
>readout so it can maintain 5fps (versus 3fps on the sony).

Yes and the sensor is quieter in the Nikon as well... but at half the price it
is still a good buy.
Jeffrey Kaplan - 26 Oct 2007 06:53 GMT
It is alleged that BobF@home.com claimed:

> Look into the Sony Alpha 100... it's priced down around $700 now, is great for
> beginners, takes great pics, and you have a choice of lenses when you buy it.
> Also fits into a small bag.

Does it take any kind of memory other than Sony's proprietary Memory
Stick?

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Jeff - 26 Oct 2007 14:19 GMT
> It is alleged that BobF@home.com claimed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Does it take any kind of memory other than Sony's proprietary Memory
> Stick?

Yes. It uses Compact Flash memory.
BobF@home.com - 27 Oct 2007 01:54 GMT
>It is alleged that BobF@home.com claimed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Does it take any kind of memory other than Sony's proprietary Memory
>Stick?

It uses a compact flash style card...

But it came with a memory stick adapter, so I have a 4g Sony stick in the CF
adapter, and it cost less than a real CF card.
jean - 26 Oct 2007 04:11 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> suggest me something. If this is the wrong place to ask these kind of
> questions, I am sorry for wasting your time.

Contrary to what many have said, a DSLR is a good choice to start in
photography, for one thing, the newer ones like the Canon 400XTi don't need
any complicated sequence of button pushes to get it going and to take a
picture, just compose the shot and press the shutter, it turns on instantly
and triggers, just like the old mechanical 35mm did years ago.

The drawback to a DSLR is the price and of course the size without
mentionning the ever spiraling cost of lenses and accessories.

It's a nice hobby so it's normal if it's expensive ;-)

Jean
John McWilliams - 26 Oct 2007 04:52 GMT
>> Hi friends,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> It's a nice hobby so it's normal if it's expensive ;-)

Well, much cheaper than ocean racing! <s>

I agree with the lower cost DSLR, esp. given that our O.P. had specified
such.

Good luck, and happy shooting!

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Pete D - 26 Oct 2007 08:18 GMT
jean wrote:
> "sandeep" <hyd.sandeep@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news:1193321485.849568.293480@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> It's a nice hobby so it's normal if it's expensive ;-)

Well, much cheaper than ocean racing! <s>

I agree with the lower cost DSLR, esp. given that our O.P. had specified
such.

Good luck, and happy shooting!

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He also said middle of the range, that to me would mean something like a 5D.

Scott W - 27 Oct 2007 12:23 GMT
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Well, much cheaper than ocean racing! <s>

I do ocean racing and have less invested in that then camera gear, but
not by a lot. But then this is the type of boat I race in.
http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/75743838

Scott
John McWilliams - 27 Oct 2007 16:54 GMT
>>> It's a nice hobby so it's normal if it's expensive ;-)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not by a lot. But then this is the type of boat I race in.
> http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/75743838

Good one, Scott!

I was thinking of the type of sailing that's been likened unto standing
under a cold shower tearing up $100 bills. But that's if you're the
owner, and having to replace your Gennies every few weeks.....

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Pboud - 29 Oct 2007 16:02 GMT
>>>> It's a nice hobby so it's normal if it's expensive ;-)
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> under a cold shower tearing up $100 bills. But that's if you're the
> owner, and having to replace your Gennies every few weeks.....

That would be *this* one
http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms_images/ship_site_images/ship_gallery/480/Oriole
%20flying%20the%20genniker.jpg


(or)
http://tinyurl.com/37wcwj

I navigated that thing for a few months.. I'm just thankful I didn't
have to finance her.

:D
P.
Doug Jewell - 26 Oct 2007 11:43 GMT
Despite the P&S recommendations, I'll put my hat in for a low-end DSLR
rather than a compact camera. For the following reasons:
* Greater image quality. In some tests I did a while back, a 6MP Pentax
K100D with a sigma kit 18-50 lens wiped the floor with a Canon A640 (10MP)
for image quality. The DSLR had better dynamic range, so skies were blue
instead of washed out white, while shadows retained detail rather than
becoming a speckled mess. The DSLR was sharper and captured greater fine
detail, despite it being lower "megapixel" rating. When the light got low,
and the ISO went up, the SLR really came into it's own.
* Even a cheap "kit" lens on a DSLR will be sharper than any P&S lens.
* More control. Even though some P&S do allow manual control, the range of
choices is usually very limited. They normally only have 2-3 stops of
aperture to choose from. Because of the smaller sensors, you get very great
depth of field, so you won't really learn much about some of the finer
aspects of photography, such as controlling depth of field.
* Faster. DSLRs will focus quicker than P&S. When you press the button they
fire faster. After you've taken one photo, many P&S will force you to wait,
whereas DSLR can keep firing. If you want to use manual focus, they respond
faster than the pushbutton focussing on the few P&S's that offer MF.
*Versatility. P&S's are stuck with the lens they ship with. DSLR gives you
the option of a whole host of specialised lenses depending on what type of
photography you do. Sure some are hideously expensive, but they are
available. True wide angle is especially rare with P&S.
*Ease of use. Despite the fact that DSLRs offer more controls, the various
image quality controls are normally faster to access. Many P&S will require
you to scroll through menus to change many functions, whereas most DSLRs
have dedicated buttons for a lot of functions. Every low-mid DSLR currently
on the market offers a fully automatic mode that is no more complex than
fully auto on a P&S.
*Accessories. Not many P&S allow external flashguns, remote releases,
battery grips, attachment of filters, eyecups, dioptre eyepieces etc. You
may not need these accessories now, but if you have the need for them in the
future, you can with a DSLR.

Anyway, as to what to recommend...
Any of the Canon, Nikon, Pentax/Samsung, Sony or Olympus DSLRs will offer a
good set of features, with plenty of scope for your photography to take you
places. I'd suggest you try some and see how they feel. Personally I like
the Pentax/Samsung system, because there is a good range of lenses, and they
are compatible with all the older K-Mount lenses too.

> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 26 Oct 2007 13:54 GMT
> These days i am interested in photography, so thinking of buying a
> DSLR. But I dont know which one would be a good choice, I cannot go
> for a very expensive one, some where in the mid range would do for me.

What is your budget?
What is your ambition?
What is your defintion of "mid range"?

> For a novice like me , a beginner with no prior knowledge about cams
> and photography which one can i go for.

Let's see.

1. Decide how serious you are with the hobby.  Will you still be
  pursuing it after 2 years, with the same verve?
  - If NO, are you willing to sell the gear you bought at a
    loss? (very good (and expensive!) lenses usually loose
    somewhere around 20% value, Bodies --- well, if you get 20%
    or 30% after 2 years, you're lucky)
    - if NO, stick with a compact camera for the beginning.
      Choose one that has full manual control (i.e. *you*
      get to decide aperture and exposure time).  If you are
      a bit more ambitious, RAW capability (the unprocessed
      sensor data, to tweak as you like on your computer)
      might be interesting.

2. Decide how much money you will spend.
  For a DSLR, you will need:
  - The body.
  - A lens.  (often, but not always bundled with the body ---
    these lenses are usually consumer level lenses, i.e. cheap
    and plasticy, slow[1], with none too great optical results,
    but they'll do.  Mostly.
  - A lens hood for said lens.  Not only does it protect the
    lens somewhat from errant fingers and objects, it also
    vastly improves the image quality when it keeps strong
    light sources from reaching the front element.
  - A storage medium, usually CF, sometimes SD or a proprietary
    format (which costs more).  1 GB is good for ca. 100 8MPix
    pictures in RAW format, or ~500 as large, fine JPEGs.
    You'll soon want more than 1 GB, though, especially as
    shooting 10 pictures in 2 or 3 seconds costs as much as
    shooting one, and you can choose the best one afterwards.[2]
  - A card reader.  You probably can use your camera, if you
    want slow and awkward.
  - Computer programs to deal with thousands and hundreds of
    thousands of pictures.  You'll find proprietary free-as-beer,
    free free-as-speech and proprietary pay-for solutions,
    add in all the time you'll need to learn to use them
    effectively.  (Note that you'll need the same for
    compact cameras, though.)
    + delete those that are unsharp, not the best, etc.
    + sort and classify
    + "develop" the shots (if you shoot RAW)
    + backup or archive the material (it's surprising how
      fast you get gigabytes of pictures)
    + retouch images: crop, frame, colour correct, remove
      blemishes, ...
  - A camera bag with space for your camera, lenses, storage
    media, extra batteries, flashes, etc. etc.
 
  Add up all that stuff.  Is it in your budget?
  If NO, start with a compact camera, until you outgrow it.

3. Keep in mind you will want more stuff, e.g.
  - a 50mm fixed focal length lens.  It's really hard to make bad
    ones, they are usually available for dirt cheap (e.g. <$100
    for Canons 50mm f/1.8) they are much, much faster[1] than
    any zoom and can be lots of fun, playing with extremely
    shallow depth of field --- and such fast lenses are very,
    very useful for available light[3] shooting.  Due to the crop
    factor[4] it's not so good for rooms and groups of people
    (too narrow field of view), but good for portraits (though
    you might want to blur the result a bit, unless you go for
    "see every pore" results.
  - a flash unit with a tiltable and turnable head, for indirect
    flash lighting.  Direct flash looks very harsh and unpleasing.
  - more storage media, maybe an image tank
  - a sensor cleaning set
  - faster/better lenses, focal lengths you don't have yet,
    e.g. longer lenses for shooting animals in the zoo, shorter
    to get whole rooms or masses of people in one shot,
    faster for less DOF and/or available light
  - filters, neutral denity, gradiated ND, polarizer
    (circular!)
  - a computer with mor CPU power and more RAM
  - a stable tripod
  - more batteries
  - a vertical grip (especially if you have largish hands)
  - a website or online service to show off your photos
  - albums and prints for your best photos
  - lots of time you won't have

> It would be great if you can suggest me something.

It depends a lot, but basically, unless you have specific needs,
most any DSLR camera will do.  

Cheap?  Buy a used body one or two generations (usually == years)
old.  You'll replace it within a few years.  But: The basic problem
is that by choosing one brand, or rather, one bayonet connection,
you can tie up lots of money there, especially with lenses.
You'll not replace quality lenses in the next decade.  

If you need something special only one bayonet connection has,
e.g. the MP-E (a 1:1 to 5:1 macro only lens for Canon), your body
manufacturer has just been chosen for you.

> If this is the wrong place to ask these kind of
> questions, I am sorry for wasting your time.

The place is OK.
But you'll need to add more information.

-Wolfgang

[1] a "slow" lens is one with a small aperture, which lets in
   comparatively little light, so you need longer exposure times
   or higher "ISO" settings (which cause more noise).
   Additionally, especially consumer lenses need stopping down
   one or two stops, which (usually) drastically improves the
   image quality, but causes the need for even more light.
[2] That "machine gun approach" can in _no_ way replace learning
   how to anticipate when to press the shutter.  But it is useful
   for longer handheld exposures and coping with erratic subject
   movement (you just choose the best one), or getting the group
   shot where noone blinks in record time.
[3] no flash and usually little light, say indoors or after
   sunset.
[4] The sensor is smaller than the customary 24mmx36mm of
   35mm film.  If you trim away a wide border from a
   negative (or a print, for that matter) you get exactly the
   same effect: what's looking 'normal' on the original
   print now looks like a long lens was used.

   A crop factor of 1.5 (common for many DSLRs) means that a
   50mm lens on such a DSLR --- the customary "normal" lens that
   has approximately the same field of view as your eyes ---
   has so much of it's border trimmed that it's field of view
   looks like a 75mm (50mm * 1.5) without the border removed.

   This has some very deep and important conclusions you'll
   not grasp right now, but which will become clear within a
   year or two, once you are deeper into that matter.  For
   example, the "crop factor" does *not* make lenses longer,
   as the 50mm * 1.5 seems to indicate.  It also does not
   change the depth of field --- it's still the DOF of a
   50mm lens.
acl - 26 Oct 2007 14:18 GMT
On Oct 26, 2:54 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg <ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
> It also does not
>     change the depth of field --- it's still the DOF of a
>     50mm lens.

Well, what exactly do you mean by depth of field here?
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 27 Oct 2007 23:00 GMT
> On Oct 26, 2:54 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg <ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com>
> wrote:
>> It also does not
>>     change the depth of field --- it's still the DOF of a
>>     50mm lens.

> Well, what exactly do you mean by depth of field here?

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field

If you use a camera with a crop factor of 5, it's 10mm lens at
f/4 will give the DOF of a 10mm lens at f/4.

It will not give you the DOF of a 50mm lens at f/4, even if the
field of view may be the same as a 50mm lens on a full frame
sensor.

-Wolfgang
acl - 27 Oct 2007 23:17 GMT
On Oct 28, 2:00 am, Wolfgang Weisselberg <ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 2:54 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg <ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> If you use a camera with a crop factor of 5, it's 10mm lens at
> f/4 will give the DOF of a 10mm lens at f/4.

It depends on what you mean by DOF. If you mean what is mentioned in
the wikipedia article you linked to, well, look at section 8 of the
wikipedia article. What is c? What does it depend on? Do f and N
suffice to calculate the DOF?
D.Quatsch - 26 Oct 2007 14:08 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

I wonder if you are even more confused than before you read the
suggestions of the last twenty-four hours.

One thing is obvious: photography is as controversial as religion or
politics. That's why it fosters lively discussion groups, I guess. The
first thing I would do is re-read every message where the poster is not
advocating a particular marque, or a collection of lenses. Those will
be the ones who actually want to help you.

I am surprised only one person favored a photography class. I'll add my
vote in that column. If you are going to take a proper class, you'll
want to wait and see what is recommended, rather than showing up on the
first day lugging materiaal that needs to be exchanged.
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Just Shoot Me - 26 Oct 2007 22:42 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

How much you are willing to spend on EVERYTHING is a big part
of what you should get.  also how deep into it do you want to go.

the lens. tripod, image editing software, flashes and slave flashes, books.
and other gizmos.

Lens $700
Tripod $536
Tripod Head i forgot :)
DSLR Camera $1299
Photoshop CS2 $600
Books and Tutorials =?
Computer that can handle raw images and the software needed or wanted.

These are some of the things I have.  its far from expensive compared to
what some have here.
You can get cheaper and more expensive with each of the items I listed.
Personally im not really sure if its better to spend the money on getting
the more expensive camera
and getting a cheaper image editing program
or a cheaper camera and getting a really good photoediting program.
The image editing software you get might depend on the computer you have or
if you are willing to upgrade
it or get a newer one.
Think how much you are willing to spend on this fun and rewarding venture or
put the whole thing together a little at a time.
PS grain of salt needed.  I am a total newbie to DSLR.

Tom
malcom - 27 Oct 2007 16:18 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

Don't do it!    Today I went for a walk in the park.  Everywhere I looked
there were middle aged men fumbling around with their DSLRs, photographing
everything that moved or did'nt move.    They all had bored looking wives
standing behind them.     It seems that just about every  man  that reaches
that age when they might need Viagra  goes out to get a DSLR.  I'm seriously
thinking of trashing my DSLR before it kills my libido and turns me into a
boring fart.
I'm sure it was'nt like this in the old days of film.  I had a Nikon FM2
manual camera and it was rare to see anybody else with an SLR. Seems like a
lot of these newbies are techno freaks, a few years ago they were at home
with the model railways or something.

Seriously though, go on  a weekend course on photography and you will
probably end up with an SLR. Point and shoots seem awful after you've shot a
few scenes with an SLR.
newsmb@plcom.net - 29 Oct 2007 19:47 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
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> Thanks and Regards
> - Sandeep

Pretty well everything on the market now is pretty good.

Your chances of of making a "mistake" with a camera/lens combo under
$1,000 are virtually nil.

Just find something that feels good in your hands and takes the photos
you want.

As other people have pointed out: getting a decent flash, tripod and
remote cord will probably be of much more benefit to you than more
expensive camera bodies and lenses.

Also, always keep in mind that photography is 99% technique and 1%
gear.
 
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