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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / March 2005Links to Nikon D50 and D70S manuals added to http://digitalslrinfo.com
I've added links to PDFs of the Nikon D50 and D70S manuals to my site, at "http://digitalslrinfo.com". Here are the links I added: "http://www.conneti.com/d50_usermanual.pdf" "http://www.conneti.com/d70s_usermanual.pdf" Hopefully this is not some elaborate early April Fool's joke! Steve "http://digitalslrinfo.com" > I've added links to PDFs of the Nikon D50 and D70S manuals to my site, > at "http://digitalslrinfo.com". Here are the links I added: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hopefully this is not some elaborate early April Fool's joke! IMHO they are hoaxes, not that a D50 won't show up, or a D70s (D70x). I looked at both manuals and parts seem to be a cut and paste job. Some typos that seem out of place compared to a real D70 manual. >>I've added links to PDFs of the Nikon D50 and D70S manuals to my site, >>at "http://digitalslrinfo.com". Here are the links I added: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > looked at both manuals and parts seem to be a cut and paste job. Some typos > that seem out of place compared to a real D70 manual. Why are you so suspicious about D50? Pentax and Olympus have released a cheaper version and certainly there are corners to cut on D70 to make it more affordable. It looks like Canon has to discount 350D a bit to stay competitive. > >>I've added links to PDFs of the Nikon D50 and D70S manuals to my site, > >>at "http://digitalslrinfo.com". Here are the links I added: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > more affordable. It looks like Canon has to discount 350D a bit to stay > competitive. Nikon has registered D50 as a trademark, I know their will be a D50, I am suspicious about both the D50 and D70s manuals arriving the same time. I doubt Nikon would launch them so close together in the timeline. I noted several of the same errors in both "manuals" If I was to speculate, based on the D70 back-ordered until the end of April, that something is in the wings. Perhaps the D50, the sub $1000 market is fresh, the over $1000 has slowed, or is saturated lately. I would think Nikon not shipping D70s at this time could be to launch the D50. There is still a D100 (D200? D100 mk.II) to compete with the 20D. Darrell > It looks like Canon has to discount > 350D a bit to stay competitive. Nah. The Canon competitive product is the '300D, which Canon is keeping around at a lower price (presently ~$700 street). At this end of the DSLR price range, the first thing the buyer looks at is price. The second is Mp. The third is lens mount (if they already own any). Very few will notice if the Niks are actually superior in some features or specs. Unless the purported new Nikon entry-level DSLR is 8Mp, Canon may only need to make minor tweaks to pricing and positioning.  SignatureRegards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. > Darrell > It looks like Canon has to discount > > 350D a bit to stay competitive. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > is 8Mp, Canon may only need to make minor tweaks > to pricing and positioning. Canon 300D production has stopped so D50 and others would be the cheapest dSLR. > "Scharf-DCA" <scharf.steven@gmail.com> wrote in message > > Hopefully this is not some elaborate early April Fool's joke! > > > IMHO they are hoaxes, not that a D50 won't show up, or a D70s (D70x). I > looked at both manuals and parts seem to be a cut and paste job. Some typos > that seem out of place compared to a real D70 manual. I suspect the same thing. The D50 manual seems more reasonable, they've at least fixed the USB issue. I can't believe that the replacement for the D70 won't have mirror lock-up, a vertical grip option, ISO 100, and high speed USB. Nikon is just not going to cede the amateur market to Canon's EOS-350. The whole thing is too suspicious, starting with the "D70s" name being a take-off on the Rebel Xt. >>"Scharf-DCA" <scharf.steven@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Canon's EOS-350. The whole thing is too suspicious, starting with the > "D70s" name being a take-off on the Rebel Xt. My little goggle search found a Japanese discussion board and from my extremely limited Japanese skill, it seems to say the production of D70 has ceased. D70s maybe just a bug fix. The features you want would warrant a big jump in model # change, such as D90 etc. >>> "Scharf-DCA" <scharf.steven@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > has ceased. D70s maybe just a bug fix. The features you want would > warrant a big jump in model # change, such as D90 etc. I think D70 is so perfect that D70s maybe just a cost reduced version, like the new slim PS2, even though it's lifecycle is near the end. >>>> "Scharf-DCA" <scharf.steven@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I think D70 is so perfect that D70s maybe just a cost reduced version, > like the new slim PS2, even though it's lifecycle is near the end. I tracked down the improvement of D70s over D70. new metering system like D2 2" LCD 130,000 different Eyecap EN-EL3a battery a littler heavier (5g) Remote D50 540g use SD card no DoF no exposure bracketing Same resolution for both Thank me!! > > My little goggle search found a Japanese discussion board and from my > > extremely limited Japanese skill, it seems to say the production of D70 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think D70 is so perfect that D70s maybe just a cost reduced version, > like the new slim PS2, even though it's lifecycle is near the end. Well if the D70S is real, it is NOT a cost reduced version. They've increased the size of the LCD, and added a jack for remote shutter release, both of which add cost. There was a company offering retrofit of a remote shutter release, so this will effectively wipe out that little business. The strange thing is that Nikon would not decide to correct the most glaring deficiencies in the D70, no USB 2.0, no mirror lock-up, and no vertical grip, all of which are present on the Canon EOS-350D. >>>My little goggle search found a Japanese discussion board and from > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > glaring deficiencies in the D70, no USB 2.0, no mirror lock-up, and no > vertical grip, all of which are present on the Canon EOS-350D. Nevertheless, you've now got the spec. for D70s, so you should be very happy. It makes sense for Nikon not to add those features which would cannibalize D100's already diminishing sale. I do agree that USB2 should be there but I doubt many people care much about it anyway. The big improvement is having the focusing and metering system as in D2. I think many Nikon users will be satisfied. Let's wait for D200...Maybe someone will be checking the new UPC code everyday! :) Defeaturing a new product to avoid affecting sales of an old product, rarely works. It may gain Nikon a few sales from people already committed to the Nikon lens mount, but it will lose them sales to the competition. If the D70S is Nikon's response to the EOS-350D, then it's a very weak response. OTOH, the D50 looks like a good competitor to the EOS-300D. Nikon's biggest problem right now, is not having a competitor to the Canon EOS-20D. I noticed that 20D street prices are actually going UP, something that is rather unheard of in this market. > Defeaturing a new product to avoid affecting sales of an old product, > rarely works. It may gain Nikon a few sales from people already [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Canon EOS-20D. I noticed that 20D street prices are actually going UP, > something that is rather unheard of in this market. Maybe Nikon has a D100 replace in 6 months? You never know... > > > My little goggle search found a Japanese discussion board and from > my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > glaring deficiencies in the D70, no USB 2.0, no mirror lock-up, and no > vertical grip, all of which are present on the Canon EOS-350D. Think off it as the F90 vs. F90x. I agree there are many things missing from this alleged version. >>>>My little goggle search found a Japanese discussion board and from >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Think off it as the F90 vs. F90x. I agree there are many things missing from > this alleged version. I see that there is a new lens 18-55 DX for D50, just like the ones from Canon and Pentax. > The strange thing is that Nikon would not decide to correct the most > glaring deficiencies in the D70, no USB 2.0, no mirror lock-up, and no > vertical grip, all of which are present on the Canon EOS-350D. The USB 2.0 is a not so important issue, IMO. I have USB 2.0 on my camera but I haven't bought a USB 2.0 board. So at USB 1.1 speeds it goes. And who cares it takes three minutes instead of 1 to upload? Vertical grip is another not so important feature. I have a grip for my Maxxum 9 but I doubt that I've shot more than 10 frames with it. Just not needed. Easier to carry extra batteries than deal with a bulked up camera. I agree that not have a mirror lockup is a shortcoming, however. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. > > The strange thing is that Nikon would not decide to correct the most > > glaring deficiencies in the D70, no USB 2.0, no mirror lock-up, and no > > vertical grip, all of which are present on the Canon EOS-350D. > > The USB 2.0 is a not so important issue, IMO. I have USB 2.0 on my > camera but I haven't bought a USB 2.0 board. So at USB 1.1 speeds it > goes. And who cares it takes three minutes instead of 1 to upload? So because you don't have a computer with USB 2.0, it is not an important issue?! Full Speed USB is 12Mbits/second, High-Speed USB 480Mbits/second. This is a 40x difference, not a 3x. It doesn't cost much extra for a High Speed USB chip, maybe 10-15 cents. I have an external hard drive, and when transferring large files between the drive and the computer, it's agonizingly slow on USB 1.1. Of course you can always remove the CF card and stick it into a USB 2.0 card reader, but there are times when this is not so desirable. If the D50 manual is real, then it does show High-Speed USB 2.0. > Vertical grip is another not so important feature. I have a grip for my > Maxxum 9 but I doubt that I've shot more than 10 frames with it. Just > not needed. Easier to carry extra batteries than deal with a bulked up > camera. It isn't the extra battery power, as much as it is the convenience of holding the camera in portrait mode and having a shutter release and other controls. It's important enough that an after-market grip was developed at considerable development and tooling cost, and the first manufacturing run is already sold out. Again, the desirability of vertical grip is unrelated to the fact that you don't want one. > I agree that not have a mirror lockup is a shortcoming, however. There must be something inherent in the design that doesn't allow for mirror lock-up, unlike the Canon EOS-300D, where it was a firmware change to gain that feature. >>>The strange thing is that Nikon would not decide to correct the > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > but there are times when this is not so desirable. If the D50 manual is > real, then it does show High-Speed USB 2.0. Cool yer jets. 1) While the bandwidth ratio (USB 2.0 : USB 1.1) may indeed be 40x, the practical file transfer rate is many time lower. On the Max 7D it works out to about 25 Mbits/sec (in the new firmware) for USB 2.0 when transfering a number of image files; in USB 1.1 it works out to 7.5 MBits/sec. About 3:1 wouldn't you say? (Other cameras are a bit faster or slower, none are anywhere near 480 Mbps under USB 2.0) (See dpreview if you don't beleive me). 2) What is important is that the images get loaded onto the computer. That it takes a few minutes vs. 1 or so is not important for the vast majority of users. Cheers, Alan. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. >> So because you don't have a computer with USB 2.0, it is not an >> important issue?! Full Speed USB is 12Mbits/second, High-Speed USB [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >That it takes a few minutes vs. 1 or so is not important for the vast >majority of users. I tried the D70 wired for remote USB shooting a few days ago and was actually surprised how fast the RAW file was available on the PC. I didn't time it, but it was around 3-4 seconds after shooting. I still can't think of when I'd need to use it like this, but I'm guessing that delay isn't going to be a problem if I ever do. Photoshop can take nearly that long to open a RAW on one of my PC's, so I'm happy. Technically, the D70 is capable of USB 2.0 Full speed. People just tend to read USB 2.0 as always meaning High Speed. If someone doesn't invent a disease that kills all marketing people soon, I might have to start shooting them myself. -- Owamanga! http://www.pbase.com/owamanga > tend to read USB 2.0 as always meaning High Speed. If someone doesn't > invent a disease that kills all marketing people soon, I might have to > start shooting them myself. Hey! I'm a marketing peopel! Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. > > tend to read USB 2.0 as always meaning High Speed. If someone doesn't >> invent a disease that kills all marketing people soon, I might have to >> start shooting them myself. > >Hey! I'm a marketing peopel! Yes, I have to tell outrageous blatant lies occasionally to customers too. Unfortunately it's crept in as part of the job description at many levels and in many industries. <g> If you are *just* marketing, as their representative in this NG, you can take all the blame. Fovian, Megawatsits, High-speed flash. It's all your fault. ..and if you ever get a junk-mail CD in the post labeled "Free, 15 second training video on kow to improve your marketing skills and not get sued and *still* get into heaven", don't be tempted. At 6 seconds into the presentation, the drive will speed up to Mach II and the disk will cut through the enclosure and slice you up like a fish. <g> I'm still working on the prototype. So far, all I can make it do is a viscous hum. -- Owamanga! http://www.pbase.com/owamanga .................................................................................................................. > I'm still working on the prototype. So far, all I can make it do is a > viscous hum. > > -- > Owamanga! > http://www.pbase.com/owamanga As opposed, say, to a free flowing one????? (Just couldn't resist...) >.................................................................................................................. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >As opposed, say, to a free flowing one????? >(Just couldn't resist...) I was waiting for that... -- Owamanga! http://www.pbase.com/owamanga >>>The strange thing is that Nikon would not decide to correct the > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > mirror lock-up, unlike the Canon EOS-300D, where it was a firmware > change to gain that feature. A battery grip would require a major design so wait for the next upgrade with more MP. However, considering Nikon spending resources in updating their popular camera, a major upgrade maybe at least a year away. > > > The strange thing is that Nikon would not decide to correct the > most [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > can always remove the CF card and stick it into a USB 2.0 card reader, > but there are times when this is not so desirable. Only time I can think of would be when you've lost or forgotten your card reader. Greg >>I've added links to PDFs of the Nikon D50 and D70S manuals to my site, >>at "http://digitalslrinfo.com". Here are the links I added: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > looked at both manuals and parts seem to be a cut and paste job. Some typos > that seem out of place compared to a real D70 manual. Many of the page layouts are very different. Many of the graphics are very different (D50 v. orig. D70). Typos in a camera manual? Yeah that's never happened before. And the grammar is always perfect too. Uh huh. Yeah. Right. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. >>> I've added links to PDFs of the Nikon D50 and D70S manuals to my site, >>> at "http://digitalslrinfo.com". Here are the links I added: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > that's never happened before. And the grammar is always perfect too. Uh > huh. Yeah. Right. I don't know who would want to hack a manual and if the layout is vastly different from the original D70, then it's time consuming to make it. Only diehard Maccies and Nikonians like to make fake pictures but manuals? Well, nevertheless, it's clear that the production of D70 is ended and the new replacement is going to be a minor update. P.S. I don't have time to read the manuals carefully. Care to point out the typos for this non Nikon user? > P.S. I don't have time to read the manuals carefully. Care to point out > the typos for this non Nikon user? No. I looked at them last night side by side in Adobe. The files are now in the bitbucket. I really didn't read the text or see typos, but my experience with most english camera manuals from Japan is that there are both typos and grammar errors. Nothing serious or that gets in the way of understanding, just awkward. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. |
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