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Moonstarer - 29 Aug 2007 02:05 GMT
I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
simple as that.  Just like when you were learning to use your DSLR
after graduating from P&S.  Us Astrophotographers have been begging
the Canon folks to follow up on the 20Da's Live Preview and finally
they have.  Do you know how hard it is to see a 10th magnitude galaxy
(or worse yet, 10th mag.Nebula) through an optical viewfinder VS. Live
Preview?  It usually takes a computer program to make up for not
having Live Preview.  Just do us (who use live preview) a favor and
use it or not, just quit complaining it's there.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential
is invisible to the eye"
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Matt Clara - 29 Aug 2007 02:47 GMT
>I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
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> is invisible to the eye"
> Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Does Live Preview allow one to zoom in and see levels of resolution (and
therefore "focus") beyond what the human eye can achieve?  If so, that's
cool.  If not, I don't understand it.

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RichA - 29 Aug 2007 03:05 GMT
> >I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> > their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
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>
> --www.mattclara.com

With Olympus, yes.  10x zoom.  You can't match it with an optical
viewfinder for critical focus.
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 29 Aug 2007 04:02 GMT
>>> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
>>> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
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> With Olympus, yes.  10x zoom.  You can't match it with an optical
> viewfinder for critical focus.

That is also apparently the case (a magnified LCD video view) with
the new Canons.
Moonstarer - 29 Aug 2007 04:13 GMT
Yes, it offers 5X and 10X enlargement of the image.

>>I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
>> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>therefore "focus") beyond what the human eye can achieve?  If so, that's
>cool.  If not, I don't understand it.

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential
is invisible to the eye"
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 29 Aug 2007 03:03 GMT
> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> is invisible to the eye"
>  Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Who is upset?
acl - 29 Aug 2007 03:22 GMT
On Aug 29, 6:03 am, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)"
<usern...@qwest.net> wrote:
> > I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> > their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
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>
> Who is upset?

Saint-Exupéry. It is rumoured that he commited suicide.
Moonstarer - 29 Aug 2007 04:21 GMT
Those who exort "This is just the beginning, soon they'll all have
video".  Sheesh

>> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
>> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Who is upset?

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential
is invisible to the eye"
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Michael Johnson - 29 Aug 2007 22:34 GMT
I wouldn't even mind if it had video as long as it has a good optical
viewfinder and image quality is high.

> Those who exort "This is just the beginning, soon they'll all have
> video".  Sheesh
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> is invisible to the eye"
>  Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
RichA - 29 Aug 2007 03:07 GMT
> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> is invisible to the eye"
>  Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

I still shudder when I remember trying to focus on the Eskimo nebula,
from the suburbs, via a 12" scope, coupled to a P&S with a TINY
electronic viewfinder with about 134,000 pixels.  But, because of the
enhancement possible with live view, you could at least see the
object.  Now, with high rez LCDs, things are better still.
l v - 29 Aug 2007 04:00 GMT
> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> is invisible to the eye"
>  Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Because it's our nature.

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ASAAR - 29 Aug 2007 04:12 GMT
> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> is invisible to the eye"
>  Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

 There are things deserving of complaint :

[Original translation:]
> It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential
>    is invisible to the eye.

[New translation:]
> One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible
>    to the eyes.

[Original translation:]
> If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has
>    come back.

[New translation:]
> If this should happen, be kind! Don't let me go on being so sad. Send
>    word immediately that he's come back.

> http://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/Little-Prince_2.html
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 29 Aug 2007 17:00 GMT
> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?

I wonder why you are green alien from Mars with long
eyestalks?

What, you are not an alien?  Funny that, I've had the same
reaction over your question.

-Wolfgang
cjcampbell - 29 Aug 2007 18:23 GMT
> I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?

There are people who don't like it? Personally, I can think of all
kinds of uses for it, especially on a tripod. However, using it to
take most photos simply means that you will not be able to hold the
camera steady and your pictures will be blurred.
Celcius - 29 Aug 2007 19:43 GMT
>I wonder why people are upset over Canon's Live Preview feature in
> their 40D and 20Da?  If you don't like it, don't use it!  It's as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> is invisible to the eye"
> Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Hi Moonstarer!
I am not upset personally nor do I think it's an upsetting matter. However I
find that the LCD is not convenient in the sun most of the time. I would
rather have an eyepiece to look into.
I used to have a Canon Pro 1 which provided an eyepiece that was very usable
on top of the LCD. I found myself using the eyepiece only ;-)))
Marcel
gowanoh - 29 Aug 2007 22:27 GMT
If you have used a high end EVF camera then you can appreciate the benefits
and problems of the EVF.
The current technology for small screen displays does not approach the
quality level of an optical through the lens viewing system.
That probably will change but for the immediate future it is a fact.
Right now it is nearly impossible to judge critical focus or to evaluate
highlight and shadow detail on the best small displays because of their
truncated resolution and color depth.
This was a major problem with otherwise capable machines like the late Sony
828. I held out using one of these but it just could not compete with a
dSLR, and the issue had nothing to do with sensor size.
If the world goes to paperless viewing of photographic prints then the EVF
will be a distinct advantage as it will have most of the qualities of the
final processed image.
However if one's end aim is a paper based print the task of previsualization
will be more difficult if one has only an EVF with which to create the
image.
 
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