Every srl has a limit of shots.
What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
Anybody knows it?
Thanks.
> Every srl has a limit of shots.
> What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
> Anybody knows it?
When the mirror or shutter break down.
Paolo - 27 Mar 2005 10:27 GMT
> When the mirror or shutter break down.
Yes, I mean shutter breack down.
> Every srl has a limit of shots.
> What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
> Anybody knows it?
> Thanks.
The first component to likely fail is the shutter, but there is no fixed
number. I'm sure Canon knows the approximate life, but it's not something
you'll find in the specs.
Mark
Chin Jin Phua - 27 Mar 2005 01:21 GMT
What do I do if the shutter breaks down?
>> Every srl has a limit of shots.
>> What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
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>
> Mark
Charles - 27 Mar 2005 01:32 GMT
> What do I do if the shutter breaks down?
Get it replaced.

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Bubbabob - 27 Mar 2005 03:17 GMT
> What do I do if the shutter breaks down?
Pay Nikon or Canon $500 to fix it and kiss it goodbye for at least 3 weeks.
>Every srl has a limit of shots.
>What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
Which limit are you talking about?
1) Number of shots before some part of the camera fails
2) Number of shots before the storage medium is full
3) Number of shots before the filenames start repeating?
4) Number of shots before the battery needs recharge?
For the first -- I have no idea. I've not had one long enough
to experience a failure -- and with DSLRs, the failure *could* be in the
lens, so you simply swap to another lens and keep shooting.
For the second factor -- it depends on the size of the medium,
and the settings for storage format.
On the Nikon D70, at medium/fine setting, it *claims* to hold
522 shots starting from an empty 1GB Compact Flash card. My personal
experience -- the only time I have actually *filled* a 1GB CF card, it
held 705 shots at that setting.
At Raw, it claims 97 shots on the same card, and at RAW+Basic
(RAW plus a small JPEG) it claims 85 shots. I've not actually filled a
CF card with these, so I don't know how much more you can get.
Obviously, you could hold proportionally more with a 2GB or a 4GB CF
card or microdrive.
I don't have access to a 350D, so I'll use another which I do
have as an example: On the Kodak/Nikon NC2000e/c, the biggest PCMCIA
hard disk drive which I have found claims to hold 327 shots starting
fresh -- and there is no control of storage size -- there is only one
RAW format.
For the third factor:
In the D70, The filename has three letters, an underscore, four
digits and a ".JPG" extension. Thus, for *this* camera, you get 10000
shots (0000-9999).
For the Kodak conversion of the N90s (becoming the NC2000e/c),
There is the same four-digit field, but it increments by 10 per shot,
leaving intermediate numbers for the files for voice annotation (which
is built into the camera). (It also has the nasty habit of resetting
the upper digits to zero whenever you change media, and continuing from
the frame couter (made for film) in the body for the lower two digits
(0-99, entered as 000-990).
For the fourth factor -- I've gotten about 600 shots from a
single charge for the Nikon D70 -- with a lot of them being flash shots.
Lots of flash shots will reduce the number per charge. Lots of time
viewing the results on the LCD will similarly reduce the number of shots
per charge. I suspect that the Ultra-Sonic motors in some of the newer
lenses will also draw either more or less power per shot than the
mechanically-coupled lenses which I use.
The Kodak/Nikon mentioned above has built-in batteries, and
tends to need a recharge about the point that the 340 MB disk drive gets
full. There is no way to swap in a fresh set of batteries.
>Anybody knows it?
>Thanks.
Perhaps a bit more detail as to which limit you are looking for?
Most of the answers which I have seen have assumed that you are talking
about the number of shots before failure, and the 350D is certainly too
new for this to have accumulated statistical information.
Enjoy,
DoN.

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Paolo - 27 Mar 2005 10:35 GMT
>>Every srl has a limit of shots.
>>What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
>
> Which limit are you talking about?
>
> 1) Number of shots before some part of the camera fails
I mean the first: 1) Number of shots before shutter break down.
Rumors talk about 50.000 shots guaratee.
Chin Jin Phua - 27 Mar 2005 14:17 GMT
OK. All these talks about shutter breaking down is worrying me a little bit.
I just bought an XT last week. Let's have a show of hands here of people
who actually had DSLR shuttle failure after a year or two?
>>>Every srl has a limit of shots.
>>>What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
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> I mean the first: 1) Number of shots before shutter break down.
> Rumors talk about 50.000 shots guaratee.
David Dyer-Bennet - 30 Mar 2005 20:36 GMT
> OK. All these talks about shutter breaking down is worrying me a little bit.
> I just bought an XT last week. Let's have a show of hands here of people
> who actually had DSLR shuttle failure after a year or two?
No failure on my Fuji S2 yet after about 2.5 years. I'm nowhere near
50,000 shots yet, either.
But then, no shutter failure on my Nikon FM2 from 1983 or my Nikon N90
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Alan Browne - 27 Mar 2005 15:41 GMT
> I mean the first: 1) Number of shots before shutter break down.
> Rumors talk about 50.000 shots guaratee.
That's probably a reasonable low end number to begin hearing of failures.
Most will probably exceed 100,000
Some will reach 200,000
A few will... etc.

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> Every srl has a limit of shots.
> What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
> Anybody knows it?
> Thanks.
SLRs were not originally designed for the punishment of digital
photography where far more photos can be taken than with film. I would
expect bodies based on pro 35mm cameras to provide a longer life than
those based on amateur cameras.
Is how it feels in your hand any guide?
(as in "built like a tank").
David
Alan Browne - 27 Mar 2005 15:39 GMT
>>Every srl has a limit of shots.
>>What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
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> expect bodies based on pro 35mm cameras to provide a longer life than
> those based on amateur cameras.
I expect the shutter mech's are no more reliable in general than in the
film SLR's. So when frame counts get into to the 50 - 100K region you
can expect to hear of shutter failures.
A famous F5 in Germany has gone well over 1,000,000 shutter cycles.
Some time ago in rpe35mm there was such a discussion. Cameras like the
EOS-1v had been tested to over 125,000 cycles, the Max 9 to over 100,000
cycles.
There is a case for shutters to be electronic. eg: simply not have a
mechanical shutter at all, just control the time that the sensors can
collect light. Kodak have one (if not the first) of the patents on this
approach, and the Nikon D70 1/500 flash sync is based in large part on
this approach.
Cheers,
Alan

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> Every srl has a limit of shots.
> What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
> Anybody knows it?
> Thanks.
I have been informed that Canon reckon that the shutter should be replaced
in any EOS camera around 20-25000 shots.
A colleagues D30 shutter failed at 21476. Cost ?144GBP to have the shutter
replaced by Canon.
Alan Browne - 27 Mar 2005 15:48 GMT
> I have been informed that Canon reckon that the shutter should be replaced
> in any EOS camera around 20-25000 shots.
>
> A colleagues D30 shutter failed at 21476. Cost £144GBP to have the shutter
> replaced by Canon.
That seems ridiculously low. The EOS-1v goes well over 100,000 cycles.

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Guy Jordan - 29 Mar 2005 06:12 GMT
>> I have been informed that Canon reckon that the shutter should be
>> replaced in any EOS camera around 20-25000 shots.
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>
> That seems ridiculously low. The EOS-1v goes well over 100,000 cycles.
37.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
-Guy
Alan Browne - 29 Mar 2005 14:52 GMT
>> That seems ridiculously low. The EOS-1v goes well over 100,000 cycles.
>
> 37.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
That was recently revised to 42.7% based on inputs from 23 sources.
But, the 100,000+ cycles number above for the EOS-1v is very true. I'm
just too lazy to locate the reference.
Cheers,
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Guy Jordan - 30 Mar 2005 23:43 GMT
>>> That seems ridiculously low. The EOS-1v goes well over 100,000 cycles.
>>
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> Cheers,
> Alan
100k cycles is huge if failure is defined by out of spec. performance.
Any idea what the other guys get for their MTBF?
BTW - one man's "lazy" is another man's "comfort".
-Guy
Alan Browne - 31 Mar 2005 01:05 GMT
> 100k cycles is huge if failure is defined by out of spec. performance.
> Any idea what the other guys get for their MTBF?
IIRC correctly (and I have no intention of googling for it) somebody
tested the EOS-1v (quantity I don't recall) until the shutter failed.
That was at some point after 125,000 frames (IIRC). For the Maxxum 9,
it was something just over 100,000 frames.
Thats' 3472 and 2777 rolls of film respectively which for a commercial
photog could be reasonably done in 1 to 2 years.
OTOH, there is that famous Nikon F5 that has exceeded 1,000,000 frames...
The companies spend all kinds of marketing money on touting the obvious
but they are near silent on MTBF, TTR, CTR, etc.
Cheers,
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canongirly - 29 Mar 2005 19:07 GMT
47% of 20% of 5% of all people asked said they couldn't give a rats arse
about anything
5% of 90% of 12% were dead
22% shot at the pollster on sight
18% missed
14% hit bystanders
70% of the hit bystanders returned fire
45% of them hit the pollster
>>> I have been informed that Canon reckon that the shutter should be
>>> replaced in any EOS camera around 20-25000 shots.
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>
> -Guy
> Every srl has a limit of shots.
> What is the max number of shots for D70 and 350D?
> Anybody knows it?
> Thanks.
127,432

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James Fraser - 29 Mar 2005 21:11 GMT
> > Anybody knows it?
>
> 127,432
and 1/2.
(After all, they fail open...)
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