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DSLR price differences, artificial?

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RichA - 07 Apr 2007 16:35 GMT
Nikon's new D40x (10 meg) $750 is substantially more expensive than
the D40 (6 meg) $540.00. But they are essentially the same cameras,
same sensor types (size, make) and the only difference is megapixel
count.  I'm wondering if it really costs that much more to divy up a
piece of silicon into 10 megapixels rather than 6?  In many cases of
mfgs with different models or products, pricing is often set to "fit"
into the line rather than a reflection of true cost to produce.
They needed something to fit between the $1000 D80 and the $540 D40.
While it's plain to see the differences between the similar-sensored
D200 and D80 it's not so easy with the D40 and D40x.
Ron Recer - 07 Apr 2007 17:51 GMT
> Nikon's new D40x (10 meg) $750 is substantially more expensive than
> the D40 (6 meg) $540.00. But they are essentially the same cameras,
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> While it's plain to see the differences between the similar-sensored
> D200 and D80 it's not so easy with the D40 and D40x.

The 'true cost to produce' only has to do with determining the 'floor
selling price'.  The actual selling price may have little or nothing to do
with 'true cost to produce'.  The purpose of a business is to maximize
profits, if it doesn't it probably won't be around long.

Ron
RichA - 07 Apr 2007 19:40 GMT
> > the D40 (6 meg) $540.00. But they are essentially the same cameras,
> > same sensor types (size, make) and the only difference is megapixel
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>
> Ron

True, I was thinking more in terms of value to the end user.  The
entry level user isn't going to print large or crop, but noise could
be a consideration so it seems like the standard D40 makes more sense
to own than the D40x.
However, they'll also be more susceptable to "megapixel marketing" so
the urge will be there to go with the D40x.
=(8) - 07 Apr 2007 18:56 GMT
Prices today have nothing to do with what something costs to make. It is has
to do with what the company thinks they can get the customer to pay. The old
days of recovering the cost to make plus 2 or 3 percent profit is long gone.
Today's way is only going to get worse as large corporations or only happy
when they have major profit increases from year to year even if such a thing
is not reasonable to expect. They will screw whoever they have to to do
this. That can mean screwing the customers or screwing the employees.

=(8)
Jim Thurman - 07 Apr 2007 20:09 GMT
As mentioned, there's way too much "megapixel" marketing going on, and it's
obvious that the D40/D40x
situation is all about "rounding out" the product line. The D40 (6MP) should
be fine for the majority of users. I've seen
absolutely outstanding 11 X 14 and even 16 X 20 prints off 6 MP cameras, and
the D40 takes excellent images.

I have a D200 myself, but I bought two D40s as Christmas presents for my son
and daughter and, of course, I had to try them out before giving them! I was
amazed at the quality of the images...the colors were well saturated, the
lack of noise, even at ISO 800 was very noticeable, and the images were very
sharp with the
18-55mm kit lens. I even tried out my 18-200 VR on one of the D40s and the
pictures looks great. The camera is much smaller and lighter than my D200
and I'm considering
getting one for myself for those times when I don't want to lug the heavier
camera around.

> Prices today have nothing to do with what something costs to make. It is
> has to do with what the company thinks they can get the customer to pay.
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>
> =(8)
Ron Recer - 07 Apr 2007 22:23 GMT
> Prices today have nothing to do with what something costs to make. It is
> has to do with what the company thinks they can get the customer to pay.
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>
> =(8)

"The old days of recovering the cost to make plus 2 or 3 percent profit is
long gone."

That is because the owners could sell the comapany, invest the proceeds in a
CD and make more money without any risk what so ever.

Ron
Marc Sabatella - 07 Apr 2007 21:01 GMT
> I'm wondering if it really costs that much more to divy up a
> piece of silicon into 10 megapixels rather than 6?

Perhaps not.  But the the R&D for the 6 MP sensors has already been long
paid for, and I'll bet Sony has tons of them sitting around that they
are happy to sell for very little just to make sure they get *something*
for them.  Whereas the 10 MP sensots may be new enough that we're still
paying for R&D, and there is not yet an excess inventory to get rid of.

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Bill Funk - 08 Apr 2007 17:06 GMT
>Nikon's new D40x (10 meg) $750 is substantially more expensive than
>the D40 (6 meg) $540.00. But they are essentially the same cameras,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>While it's plain to see the differences between the similar-sensored
>D200 and D80 it's not so easy with the D40 and D40x.

I can never tell if you're just trolling, or truly ignorant about the
subjects of your posts.
The prices of DSLRs are set by the marketing departments, not the
engineering departments. While engineering and marketinmg collaberate
to determine which features will be included in the offerings, the
marketing department decides how much the buyer will be charged for
those features.
And a lot goes into the decision about final price; not just how long
to take to amortize the tooling and R&D, but just how much they think
the buyer will pay for each feature set.
As well, because the D40x is newer than the D40, there's a premium for
that, too.
How much it takes to "divy up a piece of silicon into 10 megapixels
rather than 6" is only a very small part of this process.
Fads (or the perception of fads) also plays a large part; the current
"megapixel race", for example, puts a premium on more pixels, whether
they are a good thing or not (see "pet rocks").

You try to pass yourself off as being knowledgable about things, yet
you are fairly consistant in starting threads about which you have not
even a passing knowledge, while posing a question so that it appears
you do.

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RichA - 09 Apr 2007 05:24 GMT
> >Nikon's new D40x (10 meg) $750 is substantially more expensive than
> >the D40 (6 meg) $540.00. But they are essentially the same cameras,
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> even a passing knowledge, while posing a question so that it appears
> you do.

What the F--- do YOU know?  You claim "a lot of thought" goes into
deciding on a price.  B.S.  The prices are set
almost solely based on the competition.  If they aren't, the cameras
do not sell.  That is what happened to Olympus and their high end P&S
cameras.  The dog-ignorant public couldn't differentiate between them
and the junk from outfits like Kodak so Olympus had to do a 180 and
start churning out trash, just to keep their position in that market.
BTW; The time frame of release between Nikon's D40 and D40x is the
shortest I've seen between any like models.
Bill Funk - 09 Apr 2007 15:26 GMT
>> >Nikon's new D40x (10 meg) $750 is substantially more expensive than
>> >the D40 (6 meg) $540.00. But they are essentially the same cameras,
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>BTW; The time frame of release between Nikon's D40 and D40x is the
>shortest I've seen between any like models.

It is painfully obvious that you've given no thought to your tirade.
If you w ould read what you respond to, you will notice that I said
engineering and marketing collaborate on what features to include; why
do you think marketing is there? Maybe because they keep an eye on the
competition? Huh? Maybe?
What do I know? Obviously a hell of a lot more than you do.

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