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Lack of reviews of 2 new cameras

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RichA - 01 Apr 2007 18:16 GMT
Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
contrasted against the Nikon D200, given it costs $500 more and shares
the same body...Previously, dpreview refused to review the Olympus's
E-400 owing to fact it wasn't released in North America.
Not Disclosed - 02 Apr 2007 02:44 GMT
> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
> contrasted against the Nikon D200, given it costs $500 more and shares
> the same body...Previously, dpreview refused to review the Olympus's
> E-400 owing to fact it wasn't released in North America.

Somebody call a Troll Truck!
RichA - 02 Apr 2007 04:38 GMT
> > Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> > reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
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>
> Somebody call a Troll Truck!

Canondroid.
Spam THis - 02 Apr 2007 13:21 GMT
>>> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
>>> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Canondroid.

Actually I don't use Canon or Nikon, but I do own dSLR cameras, unlike
you who only has a Fisher-Price; My First Camera.
RichA - 02 Apr 2007 23:25 GMT
> >>> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> >>> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Actually I don't use Canon or Nikon, but I do own dSLR cameras, unlike
> you who only has a Fisher-Price; My First Camera.

No, I'd say it's a far better bet what you are shooting with is
plastic.
Spam THis - 03 Apr 2007 12:35 GMT
>>>>> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
>>>>> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> No, I'd say it's a far better bet what you are shooting with is
> plastic.

Who the f.ck cares what the camera is made if, it's the artist that
creates the image not magnesium! Guess what film is plastic and gelatin.
Pete D - 02 Apr 2007 08:32 GMT
> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
> contrasted against the Nikon D200, given it costs $500 more and shares
> the same body...Previously, dpreview refused to review the Olympus's
> E-400 owing to fact it wasn't released in North America.

Has he actually been given one? He only reviews what he is given. I assume
you did ask Phil?
nospam - 02 Apr 2007 09:28 GMT
In article
<4610b1a9$0$15041$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D
<no@email.com> wrote:

> > Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> > reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Has he actually been given one? He only reviews what he is given. I assume
> you did ask Phil?

neither of those cameras have been out for very long.  there's no way
phil would be done with a review that fast, even if he had no other
cameras in the queue.
RichA - 02 Apr 2007 15:25 GMT
> In article
> <4610b1a9$0$15041$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> phil would be done with a review that fast, even if he had no other
> cameras in the queue.

How long was the D40 out when this appeared?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond40/
nospam - 02 Apr 2007 15:46 GMT
> > neither of those cameras have been out for very long.  there's no way
> > phil would be done with a review that fast, even if he had no other
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>
> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond40/

the d40 was announced november 6th and that review was posted december
20th.  that's six weeks.  phil also had a d40 prior to its release.  

the sd-14 began shipping four weeks ago, so he still has two weeks to
go to match it.  and judging by the comments in the sigma forum, it is
probably best (for sigma) that he take his time.

<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0611/06110601nikond40.asp>
<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0612/06122003nikond40review.asp>
RichA - 02 Apr 2007 17:48 GMT
> In article <1175523946.228319.208...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> the d40 was announced november 6th and that review was posted december
> 20th.  that's six weeks. phil also had a d40 prior to its release.

Announced?  Ok, here's the Fuji S5 announcement.  Note the date.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06092502fujifilms5pro.asp
nospam - 02 Apr 2007 18:19 GMT
> Announced?  Ok, here's the Fuji S5 announcement.  Note the date.
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06092502fujifilms5pro.asp

note the last line just before the specifications:

 The FinePix S5 Pro is scheduled for launch in February 2007. Pricing
 and stockists will be announced nearer to the date of retail launch.*

although it was announced in september, it began shipping at the end of
february.  that's not really a whole lot of time to test it and write a
review, assuming phil received one right away and has nothing else
going on.
John Bean - 02 Apr 2007 09:46 GMT
>> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
>> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Has he actually been given one? He only reviews what he is given. I assume
>you did ask Phil?

Don't be silly - asking Phil is a logical and positive
action, but Rich doesn't do "positive" or "logical".

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evadnikufesin - 02 Apr 2007 20:49 GMT
> >> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> >> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Don't be silly - asking Phil is a logical and positive
> action, but Rich doesn't do "positive" or "logical".

No, but Rich does do "blathering" and "trolling" *very* well.

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RichA - 02 Apr 2007 22:28 GMT
On Apr 2, 3:49 pm, "evadnikufesin"
<evadnikufe...@gmail.invalidcom.domain> wrote:

> > >> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> > >> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the
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>
> No, but Rich does do "blathering" and "trolling" *very* well.

Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
worthy of review, maybe the appeal of the Fuji and Sigma are just to
narrow to be "business worthy?"
Big Picture - 03 Apr 2007 00:08 GMT
> On Apr 2, 3:49 pm, "evadnikufesin"
> <evadnikufe...@gmail.invalidcom.domain> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> worthy of review, maybe the appeal of the Fuji and Sigma are just to
> narrow to be "business worthy?"

Maby Phil is in shock on how great the SD14 was, and now in a coma.
Spam THis - 03 Apr 2007 12:38 GMT
> Maby Phil is in shock on how great the SD14 was, and now in a coma.

Not likely, yet another $2,000(cdn) 4.5 megapixel dSLR that NOBODY IS
GOING TO BUY!
Peter Chant - 03 Apr 2007 00:27 GMT
> Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
> E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
> worthy of review, maybe the appeal of the Fuji and Sigma are just to
> narrow to be "business worthy?"

?  Less of a conspiracy theory would be that as (I assume) he is based in
the USA then they only send lend him models released in the USA to review.
Of course that does leave the small issue of the rest of the world outside
the USA existing but...  ;-)

Interesting review of the S5 in AP.  Perhaps more interesting than the SD14
is that sigma are releasing a compact with an APS sized sensor.

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John Bean - 03 Apr 2007 00:50 GMT
>> Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
>> E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Of course that does leave the small issue of the rest of the world outside
>the USA existing but...  ;-)

He's English. Dpreview is English, but it's hosted on US
servers.

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Andrew Haley - 03 Apr 2007 14:53 GMT
>>> Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
>>> E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>Of course that does leave the small issue of the rest of the world outside
>>the USA existing but...  ;-)

> He's English.

Definitely.  He's less than a mile from Tower Bridge, judging by the
test shots.

Andrew.
Tony Polson - 03 Apr 2007 15:29 GMT
>>>> Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
>>>> E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Definitely.  He's less than a mile from Tower Bridge, judging by the
>test shots.

He might not live/work where those shots are taken from.  

More likely, he is merely returning to a location that was used for
many years for test shots by "Amateur Photograher" magazine.
Peter Chant - 03 Apr 2007 22:48 GMT
> He might not live/work where those shots are taken from.
>
> More likely, he is merely returning to a location that was used for
> many years for test shots by "Amateur Photograher" magazine.

Well, I suppose that all shows me up for not researching dpreview - but I
think my comments about conspiacy theories were still valid :-)

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RichA - 03 Apr 2007 23:24 GMT
> >>>> Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
> >>>> E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> More likely, he is merely returning to a location that was used for
> many years for test shots by "Amateur Photograher" magazine.

A far more interesting subject than that frigging "London Eye" that
keeps showing up in Brit magazines.
John Bean - 04 Apr 2007 00:05 GMT
>> >>>> Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
>> >>>> E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>A far more interesting subject than that frigging "London Eye" that
>keeps showing up in Brit magazines.

If whinging was an Olympic event you'd win a gold every
time. Have you ever said anything positive in you whole
miserable existence?

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Tony Polson - 04 Apr 2007 08:16 GMT
>If whinging was an Olympic event you'd win a gold every
>time. Have you ever said anything positive in you whole
>miserable existence?

Just tell him the London Eye is made of plastic, and watch him go
ballistic, then crash and burn.
RichA - 04 Apr 2007 17:44 GMT
> >If whinging was an Olympic event you'd win a gold every
> >time. Have you ever said anything positive in you whole
> >miserable existence?
>
> Just tell him the London Eye is made of plastic, and watch him go
> ballistic, then crash and burn.

I figured the recent controversy over photos of it being intellectual
property of the owners was due to it's overexposure in some
many magazines.
RichA - 04 Apr 2007 17:43 GMT
> >> >>>> Don't be surprised if "Phil" doesn't review either camera.  Like the
> >> >>>> E-400 Olympus that never came to North America and therefore isn't
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> --
> John Bean

I liked doing your mother?
Pete D - 04 Apr 2007 21:54 GMT
>> If whinging was an Olympic event you'd win a gold every
>> time. Have you ever said anything positive in you whole
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I liked doing your mother?

Now that was classy, why do you bother getting out of bed each day?
RichA - 05 Apr 2007 17:32 GMT
> >> If whinging was an Olympic event you'd win a gold every
> >> time. Have you ever said anything positive in you whole
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Now that was classy, why do you bother getting out of bed each day?

You frigging hypocrites.  You dish it out but you SURE can't take
it.
In every case, it's you people who start the invective.
Spam THis - 04 Apr 2007 05:22 GMT
> A far more interesting subject than that frigging "London Eye" that
> keeps showing up in Brit magazines.

But the wheel is metal!!!
=(8) - 03 Apr 2007 04:02 GMT
Oh, please Phil only reviews those products that make his site money. He has
more ads and more dedication to keep those ads going on his site than
anything else. Why do you think he bans people from the forums anytime they
say something bad about Nikon or Canon?

The only time he does anything not Nikon or Canon is when he has free time
or is board.

=(8)
nospam - 03 Apr 2007 04:29 GMT
> Why do you think he bans people from the forums anytime they
> say something bad about Nikon or Canon?

he doesn't.

there are plenty of people bashing every camera in the forums.  phil
will delete a thread or ban a person if there is a violation of the
terms of service, but disliking a camera is not one of those.

> The only time he does anything not Nikon or Canon is when he has free time
> or is board.

nonense.

<http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/>

of the 41 cameras reviewed in the last year (the ones with thumbnails),
only 15 are nikon or canon.  that's about 1/3.
Spam THis - 03 Apr 2007 12:40 GMT
>> Why do you think he bans people from the forums anytime they
>> say something bad about Nikon or Canon?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> of the 41 cameras reviewed in the last year (the ones with thumbnails),
> only 15 are nikon or canon.  that's about 1/3.

He was quick to test the Sony Alpha, and the Pentax K100D and K10D.
Toby - 10 Apr 2007 15:37 GMT
Just FYI one of the Japanese photo mags did a test on the S5 comparing it to
the D200 and it was superior in many areas, including dynamic range (by
far), noise at 3200 ISO, color fidelity at 3200 ISO and resolution. I can't
read Japanese that well, though, so I will be interested to see what the
English-language reviewers have to say.

Toby

> Could be user base is too small, but dpreview (for e.g.) hasn't
> reviewed the Fuji S5 or the Sigma SD14.  I'd be curious to see the S5
> contrasted against the Nikon D200, given it costs $500 more and shares
> the same body...Previously, dpreview refused to review the Olympus's
> E-400 owing to fact it wasn't released in North America.
 
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