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what's going on with Nikon D200?

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Giovanni Azua - 17 Feb 2007 12:12 GMT
Hi all,

There was for some time already actually rare to find a D200 with 150USD
discounted and out of the sudden there are millions of offers in all price
ranges for D200 and even people selling their own ... :) what's going on?
did Nikon announced a new model and everyone is trying to get rid of their
D200? or is it just that Nikon started to cope with their back log?

Regards,

Giovanni
TJWilson - 17 Feb 2007 12:45 GMT
Simple answer, everyone is anticipating a new version of the D200 to
be announced at the PMA 2007 show.  The lower prices from retailers
are a highly effective means of clearing inventory, who knows why
people are selling their own.  Rolling the dice that something better
is on the horizon, upgrading to a D2, giving up on Nikon and buying
Canons... sorry my crystal ball is a little fuzzy this morning.

It's only logical that Nikon will be upgrading the top end of their
model line given that so much effort has gone into the lower end with
the introduction of the D80 & D40, but don't even ask the question
about what the "new D200" will feature.  There have been tons of posts
and declarations about this with everyone putting out their wish
lists.  Some bonehead on DPREVIEW even declared that he "was told by
someone from Nikon" that Nikon was introducing a "D300 with a 12MP FF
sensor".  Not impossible, however nobody but Nikon "know" what will be
on deck for the 2007 models, and it is highly unlikely that anyone
from Nikon would be telling tales out of school.
Little Green Eyed Dragon - 17 Feb 2007 13:18 GMT
>  Some bonehead on DPREVIEW even declared that he "was told by
> someone from Nikon" that Nikon was introducing a "D300 with a 12MP FF
> sensor".  Not impossible, however nobody but Nikon "know" what will be
> on deck for the 2007 models, and it is highly unlikely that anyone
> from Nikon would be telling tales out of school.

Correct no one outside Nikon knows.

I think FF is logical, but why stop at 12MP?  One would think if they go
that route it will be direct competition to Canon, so why not 16 or
better and FF? Only time will tell and the time is growing short :)

If I can soon get  a New D2xs,  for sub 2.5k I will be happy.

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TJWilson - 17 Feb 2007 20:31 GMT
On Feb 17, 8:32 am, Little Green Eyed Dragon
<AShadeosPerceptionvanis...@myplace.com> wrote:
> In article <1171716327.729361.10...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> I think FF is logical, but why stop at 12MP?  One would think if they go
> that route it will be direct competition to Canon, so why not 16 or
> better and FF?

I think one word can sum that question up, cost.

I've said this before that in spite of the Canon 5D being an amazing
piece of technology I believe it did not capture nearly the market
Canon had hoped.  Nikon likely watched the sales of the 5D closely and
learned some valuable lessons from Canon's experience (at Canon's
expense).  If Nikon are bringing out a line of FF sensors (key word
being IF), they know there is a price point the serious amateur market
will pay for such a beast, pros are a totally different market
segment.  Why would Nikon make the same mistake Canon did of
introducing a $4,000.00 body that appeals to a tiny portion of a small
segment (serious amateurs) of the overall DSLR market?  There is just
no business logic to back that decision.

However, if they make that revolutionary body to hit the $2,500.00 -
$3,000.00 price point I believe they would hit one out of the park.  A
2 or 3k body will never have broad appeal to camera consumers
generally which is why both Canon & Nikon have dedicated so much
energy to the lower end D80,  D40 & Rebel models... they are likely
the largest sellers for both companies in DSLR terms.

The 5D in my local market has come down close to the $3,000.00 price
point recently which means one of two things; Canon are getting ready
to move to a new & improved model (similar to the suspicions relative
to the D200), or they are adjusting their pricing of this model to see
where the "market price" actually is.  There is an extremely well
written post somewhere herein that discusses Nikon's strategy of the
last few years which has been "vague" regarding digital.  They have
claimed repeatedly that there is no need in the digital world for FF
sensors.  OK, I can accept that... so where are all the lenses
(especially prime lenses) to support an image sensor smaller than
35x24?  I believe in legal terms this is called the "suck and blow"
principal... and you can't do both at the same time.

Somewhere deep in the bowels of Nikon somebody is making a decision
regarding the FF sensor / short lens issue... and people like us will
"know" what that decision is once the shelves are stocked in your
local camera stores.  If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on FF
sensors to win the day it's a logical and sustainable decision.

But this is a guess at best.
Tony Polson - 18 Feb 2007 00:56 GMT
>On Feb 17, 8:32 am, Little Green Eyed Dragon
><AShadeosPerceptionvanis...@myplace.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>piece of technology I believe it did not capture nearly the market
>Canon had hoped.

Nonsense.  The 5D has sold better than Canon could have dreamed.
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 18 Feb 2007 11:30 GMT
>> I've said this before that in spite of the Canon 5D being an amazing
>> piece of technology I believe it did not capture nearly the market
>> Canon had hoped.
>
> Nonsense.  The 5D has sold better than Canon could have dreamed.

Yep!  And a good portion of the sales were to Nikon shooters that need a
temporary WA holdover till Nikon gets the FF out their door.

Rita
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 18 Feb 2007 11:28 GMT
> I think FF is logical, but why stop at 12MP?  One would think if they
> go that route it will be direct competition to Canon, so why not 16 or
> better and FF? Only time will tell and the time is growing short :)

The clock has been reset for Nikon by Canon introducing the 5D.  The 5D will
hold over most Nikon shooters till Nikon gets the FFs out the door.

> If I can soon get  a New D2xs,  for sub 2.5k I will be happy.

By then it will be obsolete and you'll want the D3xs v2.15.  Even the 4.1MP
D2h still commands a decent price on the used market.  If you want the D2xs
you might as well buy it now from Cameta Camera for $4,299.95 and enjoy it.

Rita
bob - 19 Feb 2007 14:46 GMT
I dont know why the rush for FF
do all the people who have bought Dx lenes need to go out and buy lenes for
FF.. what a  clamity

>>  Some bonehead on DPREVIEW even declared that he "was told by
>> someone from Nikon" that Nikon was introducing a "D300 with a 12MP FF
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> If I can soon get  a New D2xs,  for sub 2.5k I will be happy.
Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute - 20 Feb 2007 15:54 GMT
You wrote:

> I dont know why the rush for FF
> do all the people who have bought Dx lenes need to go out and buy lenes
> for FF.. what a  clamity

No, the people who already have a bag full of pre-DX Nikon glass *won't*
have to buy new lenses for FF :-).

So far there are exactly TWO DX lenses faster than f/4.  One is a fisheye,
the other costs $1,300.  All the rest are slow zooms.

It's unlikely that the "early adopter" market for a FF sensor camera will
have a large investment in DX lenses.
Little Green Eyed Dragon - 17 Feb 2007 13:24 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Giovanni

As stated; anticipation of a new model, maybe it will happen----a lot of
rumors circulating.

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C J Campbell - 18 Feb 2007 20:25 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Giovanni

Nikon has not announced a replacement for the D200 yet. More likely, D80
sales are cutting into the D200. The D200 is due for some minor upgrades,
perhaps a D200s. Perhaps one will be announced at PMA.

There have been rumors of a D300, possibly released in November, or it could
be announced next month.

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