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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / February 2007Will it break the $3,000 mark?
I'm hoping he gets $3,600 for it. http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ160080947353 Rita > I'm hoping he gets $3,600 for it. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ160080947353 > > Rita The details of the bidding history look suspicious to me...people who only bid on this guy's auctions? Austin >> I'm hoping he gets $3,600 for it. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Austin Hmmm... I'm thinking maybe Rita is the seller...which would explain his endless BS and carrying on about that lens... ;)  SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>> I'm hoping he gets $3,600 for it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Hmmm... I'm thinking maybe Rita is the seller...which would explain his > endless BS and carrying on about that lens... ;) Well, if the Foo sh*ts..... He also brags about his knowledge of eBay. fwiw, I pray it isn't so. Signaturejohn mcwilliams >> I'm hoping he gets $3,600 for it. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The details of the bidding history look suspicious to me...people who > only bid on this guy's auctions? Yeah, Ebay is really starting to suck worse than ever. They have no incentive to reduce shill bidding and in fact have made it harder for a bidder to detect shill bidding. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons > in fact have made it harder for a > bidder to detect shill bidding. In what way have they made it harder? SignatureBrian Sullivan Courses by Wire (http://www.coursesbywire.com) >> in fact have made it harder for a >> bidder to detect shill bidding. > > In what way have they made it harder? You can no longer see WHO has placed bids. It now just lists them as "bidder 1" bidder 2" etc. They used to show the actual user-name of each bidder and each bid. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:18:35 -0800, Mark? wrote: >>> in fact have made it harder for a >>> bidder to detect shill bidding. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It now just lists them as "bidder 1" bidder 2" etc. > They used to show the actual user-name of each bidder and each bid. Knowing the actual user name is not all that useful. The only thing it provide was a purchase history and feedback score of the individual -- nothing about the bidding history -- which is really what is needed to spot shill bidding. Now the detailed summary of the bidding history of each bidder available is a lot more information (and more usable) than just the purchase history of the bidder which was available before. I think it is potentially "easier" with the new strategy than before to spot shill bidding. SignatureBrian Sullivan Courses by Wire (http://www.coursesbywire.com) > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:18:35 -0800, Mark? wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > nothing about the bidding history -- which is really what is needed to spot > shill bidding. Historically, yes, it is useful. On a single auction, no, it's probably not. It doesn't matter because Ebay does little to stop shill bidding anyway. > Now the detailed summary of the bidding history of each bidder available is > a lot more information (and more usable) than just the purchase history of > the bidder which was available before. > > I think it is potentially "easier" with the new strategy than before to > spot shill bidding. Maybe. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons > I think it is potentially "easier" with the new strategy than before > to spot shill bidding. Which is totally irrelevant anyway. The only way to secure a great deal and be shielded from this type of nonsense is to *ONLY* seek out newly listed improperly prices Buy It Now auctions. Participating in a full term auctions breaks every terrestrial and celestial boundary of stupidity since you will be overpaying by as much as 40%. Rita >> I think it is potentially "easier" with the new strategy than before >> to spot shill bidding. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > since > you will be overpaying by as much as 40%. Only if you don't stick to your plan or if you are bidding on a rare item. If you pick a price and stick with it whether you win or lose then you aren't breaking boundaries of stupidity. When I'm buying bicycle or camera parts I pick my price, do my last second bid, if I win, I come out ahead, if I lose, then I haven't really lost anything. Before the $4 part that I just won I bid on a pair of wheels that I needed asap, I searched for the lowest Buy-it-now prices available along with several online bike shops, set my last minute bid at 15% under those prices, and ended up with the wheels for 28% off the lowest price I had seen. In this case if there was a shill bidder I paid more than I would have without the shill but I still significantly beat discount retail prices. If you're bidding on a rare item, or any item for which you can't figure out a reasonable price, then good luck Greg >> Which is totally irrelevant anyway. The only way to secure a great >> deal and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Only if you don't stick to your plan or if you are bidding on a rare > item. This is the whole point. If you win the auction you have already paid too much. Properly researching your purchase and formulating a delivered to your door price is the key to success on eBay. > If you pick a price and stick with it whether you win or lose then you > aren't breaking boundaries of stupidity. When I'm buying bicycle or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > more than I would have without the shill but I still significantly > beat discount retail prices. Good points, but bidding in auction is wasting time that could be better spent elsewhere. Researching your purchase will show you that you can get better deals elsewhere in most cases. > If you're bidding on a rare item, or any item for which you can't > figure out a reasonable price, then good luck These are called "flusher" auctions. This is where you bid the amount of equivalent to the amount of cash you feel comfortable flushing down the toilet. These auctions can pay off. Rita >>> Which is totally irrelevant anyway. The only way to secure a great >>> deal and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > spent elsewhere. Researching your purchase will show you that you can get > better deals elsewhere in most cases. Really? Where? KEH goes for more than ebay items in almost every instance, and I only use the word "almost" as a weasle word--as far as I can tell, ebay undersells KEH in _every_ instance. So, what research shows that you can get better deals elsewhere in most cases? > Rita >> Good points, but bidding in auction is wasting time that could be >> better spent elsewhere. Researching your purchase will show you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > as I can tell, ebay undersells KEH in _every_ instance. So, what > research shows that you can get better deals elsewhere in most cases? KEH is a prime example of where *NOT* to buy and what not to pay. As for other research, you have the resources right in front of you. If you don't know how to research any purchase than this is beyond the scope of this conversation. Rita >>>> Which is totally irrelevant anyway. The only way to secure a great >>>> deal and [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > can tell, ebay undersells KEH in _every_ instance. So, what research > shows that you can get better deals elsewhere in most cases? I don't know about now, but when I was trying to buy a 100-400 IS lens, the idiots on ebay kept bidding them up to within $20 of new retail. Irritating as the devil. If I want to make sure that I'm getting what I think I am, I buy from KEH, yeah, every once in a while, it costs a little more, but it saves me irritation. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm > > I think it is potentially "easier" with the new strategy than before > > to spot shill bidding. > > Which is totally irrelevant anyway. The only way to secure a great deal and > be shielded from this type of nonsense is to *ONLY* seek out newly listed > improperly prices Buy It Now auctions. This happens. I got an Olympus 24mm f2.8 OM Zuiko for $35.00. Generally on full auction they go for around $120.00. Rare, but they do happen. As long as you have zombies willing to bid beyond new retail (and Ebay is rife with them) then "cheap" full-term auctions are rare. >> I think it is potentially "easier" with the new strategy than before >> to spot shill bidding. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > since > you will be overpaying by as much as 40%. But, if you follow ebay completed items, you consistently see the Buy It Now items having no takers, with their Buy It Now prices higher than what the "really" completed items are, um, completing for. >> Which is totally irrelevant anyway. The only way to secure a great >> deal and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It Now items having no takers, with their Buy It Now prices higher > than what the "really" completed items are, um, completing for. Which means you are looking at the wrong ones. Always look at the ones that close with 15-minutes of being listed, these are the bargains that you missed. Rita >> in fact have made it harder for a >> bidder to detect shill bidding. > > In what way have they made it harder? They don't show user ids any more on the bid page. That may have changed with the huge amount of negative publicity Ebay has received recently regarding shill bidding. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons > >> in fact have made it harder for a > >> bidder to detect shill bidding. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > changed with the huge amount of negative publicity Ebay has received > recently regarding shill bidding. I saw that on that page (the Nikkor lens), but when I look at other auctions I have in my "watch" list, they still show the bidder(s)' IDs. I haven't listed anything for a while for sale... is there a preference in the listing template to turn this on or off now? COuld that be why some have the "bider #" only and others have the bidders' IDs? SignatureYou need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard >> >> in fact have made it harder for a >> >> bidder to detect shill bidding. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > in the listing template to turn this on or off now? COuld that be why > some have the "bider #" only and others have the bidders' IDs? That's a good question. Maybe it has to do with the expense of the items? I just won a $4 bicycle part and in that auction it showed all the real IDs. Greg > >> >> in fact have made it harder for a > >> >> bidder to detect shill bidding. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > That's a good question. Maybe it has to do with the expense of the items? That was another one of my thoughts, but I haven't bothered to go check on any other high-priced items. > I just won a $4 bicycle part and in that auction it showed all the real IDs. > > Greg BTW, if you move your mouse pointer over the list of "bidder #x", it does show more information about the bidding history of that particular bidder, or at least it does for me. SignatureYou need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard |
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