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Flash Mount on a Canon 350d

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Simes - 03 Feb 2007 11:31 GMT
Hi All,

Just a quicky, can you get a flash mount for the Canon 350d to replace
the hot shoe?  Like they use on CSI! I've had a hunt round the usual
suspects here in the UK (Jessops, Wharehouse express, eBay etc) and not
come up with anything.

I'm using a Canon 580EX and it strikes me that it's asking a lot of the
hot-shoe to hold this heavy flash.

As a note (if it makes any difference) the camera already has a battery
grip installed.

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Prometheus - 03 Feb 2007 14:25 GMT
>Hi All,
>
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>I'm using a Canon 580EX and it strikes me that it's asking a lot of the
>hot-shoe to hold this heavy flash.

You can get a side support and extension cable for the Canon range of
flashes for use with EOS, among other, cameras; but why! Unless you must
have the flash pointing directly at the subject and must have it mounted
further from the lens than the hot shoe permits it is an expensive
exercise. There a description and model numbers in the literature that
came with your camera; the last time I looked Jessops had both items.

I rather expect that Canon have designed the 350D to word with the 580EX
flash.

>As a note (if it makes any difference) the camera already has a battery
>grip installed.

None, although it tells us something about you and your intended usage.

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Simes - 03 Feb 2007 17:27 GMT
That dear old chap, Prometheus tugged on his old shag and said:

> > Hi All,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> literature that came with your camera; the last time I looked Jessops
> had both items.

Cheers for that - I'll have another rummage around jessops.com.

> I rather expect that Canon have designed the 350D to word with the
> 580EX flash.

That's a good point!  I was just a little worried about the weight of
the flash on the hot-shoe really - it doesn't look the strongest
interface in the world!

> > As a note (if it makes any difference) the camera already has a
> > battery grip installed.
>
> None, although it tells us something about you and your intended
> usage.

:-)

I'm not sure if I've been subtly insulted or not!  Main reason I got
the battery grip was to make the camera fit my large hands a little
better, plus I find the extra shutter button useful as I tend to take
quite a lot of portrait orientated shots.

That's another reason I am worried about the flash mount - all the load
is at right angles!

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Prometheus - 03 Feb 2007 18:58 GMT
>That dear old chap, Prometheus tugged on his old shag and said:
>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Just a quicky, can you get a flash mount for the Canon 350d to
>> > replace the hot shoe?

 --------Cut------------
>> > As a note (if it makes any difference) the camera already has a
>> > battery grip installed.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>I'm not sure if I've been subtly insulted or not!

Holmes: Why portraiture my dear chap, I would never be insulting.

>Main reason I got
>the battery grip was to make the camera fit my large hands a little
>better,

Holmes: Yes!

>plus I find the extra shutter button useful as I tend to take
>quite a lot of portrait orientated shots.

Holmes: Yes!

I also bought the grip, but find it awkward for landscape use because it
stops me supporting short lenses close to the body (try pressing the DoF
button) and does not give a larger grip in this orientation, besides I
do not do much portrait work.

>That's another reason I am worried about the flash mount - all the load
>is at right angles!

I can understand your concern, I would still expect (hope) it to be safe
for use like this.

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Simes - 03 Feb 2007 20:15 GMT
That dear old chap, Prometheus tugged on his pipefull of old shag and
said:

> In article <52juvuF1orn9nU1@mid.individual.net>, Simes
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Holmes: Why portraiture my dear chap, I would never be insulting.

Heh!  It also makes the balance of the camera a little better when
using a longer lens I find.

> I also bought the grip, but find it awkward for landscape use because
> it stops me supporting short lenses close to the body (try pressing
> the DoF button) and does not give a larger grip in this orientation,
> besides I do not do much portrait work.

Oddly I still find it's better - even with a short lens - I tend to cup
the grip in the palm of my hand and work the lens with my fingers - I
can then press the DOF button with my thumb.  Perhaps I have funny
shaped hands!

> > That's another reason I am worried about the flash mount - all the
> > load is at right angles!
>
> I can understand your concern, I would still expect (hope) it to be
> safe for use like this.

True enough - and it's all under warranty still I suppose!

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Alan Browne - 03 Feb 2007 14:41 GMT
> I'm using a Canon 580EX and it strikes me that it's asking a lot of the
> hot-shoe to hold this heavy flash.

Stroboframe

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Simes - 03 Feb 2007 17:27 GMT
That dear old chap, Alan tugged on his old shag and said:

> > I'm using a Canon 580EX and it strikes me that it's asking a lot of
> > the hot-shoe to hold this heavy flash.
>
> Stroboframe

Ta!

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Mark² - 03 Feb 2007 21:29 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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> As a note (if it makes any difference) the camera already has a
> battery grip installed.

Heck... Don't be a wimp!
Anyone knows REAL CSI-wannabe photogs should have TWO flashes mounted:
http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906607/original
http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906608/original
:)
Actually, the above works quite well, and far better than a ring-flash...
You can use the remote control over flash ratio and the wireless control of
the second...
I now do this without any wire, using the shoe-mount controller instead...
(these images are from 2001).

PS--I wouldn't advise looking to CSI as a source of photographic
inspiration...   :)

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Simes - 03 Feb 2007 22:58 GMT
That dear old chap, Mark2 tugged on his pipefull of old shag and said:

> > Just a quicky, can you get a flash mount for the Canon 350d to
> > replace the hot shoe?  Like they use on CSI! I've had a hunt round
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906608/original
> :)

Nice one centurion!  Might be a little over the top for pics of party
goers!

> Actually, the above works quite well, and far better than a
> ring-flash... You can use the remote control over flash ratio and the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> PS--I wouldn't advise looking to CSI as a source of photographic
> inspiration...   :)

But... but... They are experts at everything!

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Alan Browne - 03 Feb 2007 23:20 GMT
> Anyone knows REAL CSI-wannabe photogs should have TWO flashes mounted:
> http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906607/original
> http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906608/original

The nice thing about that setup is that you can add those inflatable
softboxes (Photoflex?) to each (or to one) get very difuse crossing
light or a mix of difuse and hard.  Very hard to do with TTL system
ringlights.

There are "pak" based strobes that can mount on the lens that have much
larger ring areas.  These are quite expensive, but now Alienbees have
one that is "reasonable" ($400) if a bit clumsy looking (haven't seen
one in real life).
http://www.alienbees.com/abr800.html

Cheers,
Alan

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Mark² - 03 Feb 2007 23:34 GMT
>> Anyone knows REAL CSI-wannabe photogs should have TWO flashes
>> mounted: http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906607/original
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> seen one in real life).
> http://www.alienbees.com/abr800.html

Wow!  Those look like some kind of brain-washing machine from the old Star
Trek series...
:)
They seem to require AC power, though, which I would find pretty limiting.

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Alan Browne - 04 Feb 2007 15:08 GMT
>>much larger ring areas.  These are quite expensive, but now Alienbees
>>have one that is "reasonable" ($400) if a bit clumsy looking (haven't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> :)
> They seem to require AC power, though, which I would find pretty limiting.

True, but you also get a modeling light.
Damned pros and cons.

I'm quite tempted, actually.  I could see getting this with the "moon
unit" and using it as a fill light for portraits rather than as key light.

Cheers,
Alan.

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King Sardon - 04 Feb 2007 02:09 GMT
>> Hi All,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906607/original
>http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/73906608/original

Home made or store-bought? If the latter, where did you get them?

KS
Mark² - 04 Feb 2007 02:44 GMT
>>> Hi All,
>>>
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>
> Home made or store-bought? If the latter, where did you get them?

That's a Stroboframe.  B&H has tons of their stuff.
What I like about it is the ability to move each arm intedendantly, which
means your flash can be anywhere from right next to your camera...to far
out, up or even below it.  It's not the quickest of set-ups, but once it's
on, it's secure.  Also...it folds down to a very flat, small size.

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