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Phil, Non-Squid - 23 Jan 2007 06:47 GMT
I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but I'm
looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as opposed
to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are there any good free
non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF reading and displaying
capability?

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Joan - 23 Jan 2007 07:14 GMT
Adobe Bridge.

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: I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but I'm
: looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as opposed
: to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are there any good free
: non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF reading and displaying
: capability?
Phil, Non-Squid - 23 Jan 2007 19:43 GMT
> Adobe Bridge.

Wow now that one is pretty nifty.  It came with my PS CS2... didn't even
know I had it.  Will give it a try; thanks.

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Siggy - 23 Jan 2007 22:59 GMT
> Adobe Bridge.

I'm puzzled as to just how much use that will be whilst viewing images
in an internet browser? Probably about as much as Microsoft's new toy
announced today: :o)

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/photoinfo.mspx

ps. Apologies to the OP. I use IExif Viewer by OPANDA for web browsing:
http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/download.htm
THO - 24 Jan 2007 03:01 GMT
> > Adobe Bridge.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/photoinfo
> .mspx

Actually, that looks pretty interesting. It's a file management tool
that works in Windows file manager -- seems pretty appropriate.

> ps. Apologies to the OP. I use IExif Viewer by OPANDA for web browsing:
> http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/download.htm
Siggy - 24 Jan 2007 11:55 GMT
> Actually, that looks pretty interesting. It's a file management tool
> that works in Windows file manager -- seems pretty appropriate.

Appropriate for "automatic EXIF reading and displaying
capability" whilst using a _web_ browser? I think not.
David J Taylor - 24 Jan 2007 12:44 GMT
>> Actually, that looks pretty interesting. It's a file management tool
>> that works in Windows file manager -- seems pretty appropriate.
>
> Appropriate for "automatic EXIF reading and displaying
> capability" whilst using a _web_ browser? I think not.

Microsoft now have an EXIF add on for Windows XP and Vista, called
Microsoft Photo Info

See:

 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=b038d4b5-1d88-437c-9f54
-1fb0d210b5ef&displaylang=en&tm


 http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/6/1/561f4450-0991-48aa-b298-1944d0b39da
a/readme.htm


David
Siggy - 24 Jan 2007 20:29 GMT
> Microsoft now have an EXIF add on for Windows XP and Vista, called
> Microsoft Photo Info
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>
> David

Try and keep awake at the back there!
David J Taylor - 24 Jan 2007 20:55 GMT
>> Microsoft now have an EXIF add on for Windows XP and Vista, called
>> Microsoft Photo Info
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Try and keep awake at the back there!

Perhaps it's the equivalent of the teacher throwing the chalk at you!

David
Charlie Choc - 24 Jan 2007 21:44 GMT
>> Actually, that looks pretty interesting. It's a file management tool
>> that works in Windows file manager -- seems pretty appropriate.
>
>Appropriate for "automatic EXIF reading and displaying
>capability" whilst using a _web_ browser? I think not.

Where did the OP say 'web'? I got the impression the files were on the local
machine.
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Prometheus - 26 Jan 2007 00:24 GMT
>>> Actually, that looks pretty interesting. It's a file management tool
>>> that works in Windows file manager -- seems pretty appropriate.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Where did the OP say 'web'? I got the impression the files were on the local
>machine.

I think it was assumed because he used the term "browsing", but I think
he meant on the local machine using something like Windows Explorer. I
have installed the Microsoft Photo Info add in and find it quite useful.
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THO - 27 Jan 2007 16:33 GMT
> > Actually, that looks pretty interesting. It's a file management tool
> > that works in Windows file manager -- seems pretty appropriate.
>
> Appropriate for "automatic EXIF reading and displaying
> capability" whilst using a _web_ browser? I think not.

Your imagination is running wild. I never said it was a tool for use
within a web browser.
Alan Browne - 24 Jan 2007 00:42 GMT
> Adobe Bridge.

Please stop top posting.  It is irritating.  And in the most recent case
the OP's post was lost and turned into a "sig" (which is why it doesn't
appear here).

You've been very obstinate on this point, but you should understand that
there are newsgroup posting styles for a _reason_: clarity.

Alan

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Joan - 24 Jan 2007 09:06 GMT
Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.

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: > Adobe Bridge.
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: Alan
Siggy - 24 Jan 2007 11:46 GMT
> Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.
>
> - -
> Joan
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

Then mine is broken too. But only with your posts it seems.

ps. Signature separators are used in the following format: dash dash
space; NOT dash space dash. That's for a good reason too. Newsreaders
are programmed to identify signatures that way, and hence remove the
subsequent text in replies to reduce clutter and save bandwidth.

I see you are using Outlook Express, which although adequate is also
seriously flawed as a newsreader. Most responsible types take to
installing another piece of bolt-on software called 'OE-Quotefix'
available FOC from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

Just look at the problems inherent with Outlook Express as detailed by
that software developer:

"* Horribly broken quotes - line breaks in several wrong places!
* OE basically forced the poster to do a top-post, because the signature
was inserted at the top and the cursor is always positioned there, too.
* Signatures were not stripped automatically on reply. They would have
to be deleted manually!
* Signatures are not RFC compliant - no space after the dashes!
* Empty lines at the end of the message were quoted.
* The attribution lines are too long and cannot be modified for a
'personal touch'. Email headers are even worse!
* Line breaks missing between the signature and the quoted message."

So, it's not just Alan! :-p
Rebecca Ore - 24 Jan 2007 12:01 GMT
In article
<45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,

> Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.

Microsoft doesn't give a damn about newsgroups and doesn't carry Usenet
in its MSN.  Try this patch:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

Even the most aggressive defender of OE used it.

Your newsreader was designed by people who don't use Usenet.
donLouis - 24 Jan 2007 23:24 GMT
> In article
> <45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Your newsreader was designed by people who don't use Usenet.

I strongly disagree. This has nothing to do with M$, OE, or
Usenet. No such patch is needed, because it is incumbent on
the Human to tell the computer what to do. English speaking
people read and write from the top down. This, being an English
newsgroup, requires that the Human place the reply so that it
follows the post.

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Rebecca Ore - 25 Jan 2007 03:06 GMT
> I strongly disagree. This has nothing to do with M$, OE, or
> Usenet. No such patch is needed, because it is incumbent on
> the Human to tell the computer what to do. English speaking
> people read and write from the top down. This, being an English
> newsgroup, requires that the Human place the reply so that it
> follows the post.

There are, believe it or not, Big Eight groups where top posting is the
convention (rec.arts.scrapbooks, if I remember correctly).

The average new Usenet poster doesn't know that the news program isn't
doing the right thing automatically.  Having the patch makes it easy to
understand that (a) it's a problem; (b) it can be fixed without having
to remember to move the cursor every time.

People who've had the patch pointed out to them are more likely to start
interleaving their replies than people who have bad mannered people
ranting at them and strongly disagreeing with a person doing something
that has in the past proven to be useful in getting OE top posters to
use a different style.

If you want to have someone to rant at, you're working at it just fine.
J. Clarke - 25 Jan 2007 03:37 GMT
>> In article
>> <45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>newsgroup, requires that the Human place the reply so that it
>follows the post.

Did you look at what the patch does?

Personally if I'm going to put the reply at the end, I would prefer
that the newsreader not make me undo something that  it has done
first.
donLouis - 25 Jan 2007 08:07 GMT
> >> In article
> >> <45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> that the newsreader not make me undo something that  it has done
> first.

My preference, when dealing with software that works against
my intentions, is to delete said software, and use something
else.

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J. Clarke - 25 Jan 2007 14:31 GMT
>> >> In article
>> >> <45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>my intentions, is to delete said software, and use something
>else.

Then do that and don't whine about somebody giving people who make a
different choice the option of fixing the software they're using.

Geez, some people.
Rebecca Ore - 25 Jan 2007 15:31 GMT
> My preference, when dealing with software that works against
> my intentions, is to delete said software, and use something
> else.

That's nice.  But it fails to solve the problem of people who are
perfectly happy with OE and who don't realize that what it does is
unconventional on most Usenet groups and who won't listen to rude people
who want them to learn different software.

The patch solves the problem and leaves them with the interface they are
accustomed to.  That there is a patch and that it has been downloaded
whatever number of times is more likely to convince them that OE has a
problem than a handful of people ranting at them on a Usenet group.

Giving the person the url to the patch is going to solve the problem a
lot faster than advising her to use a different program.  If she's not
interested in computer program, she doesn't want to try out programs
until she finds one she can configure precisely to what she wants.

I used to post with XEmacs and Gnus -- and I wouldn't recommend that to
any Usenet poster who wasn't interested in playing with programs.  I
recommend the program I'm currently using to Mac users if they ask.
G.T. - 26 Jan 2007 02:39 GMT
>> My preference, when dealing with software that works against
>> my intentions, is to delete said software, and use something
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> unconventional on most Usenet groups and who won't listen to rude people
> who want them to learn different software.

I don't know, I started with OE, still use it here at work, and never had a
problem following the conventions of the newsgroups I read, i.e. snipping
and replying in context rather than cluelessly top-posting.  I see the patch
mentioned but don't even know exactly what all it does.

Greg
l v - 25 Jan 2007 20:39 GMT
>>> In article
>>> <45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> that the newsreader not make me undo something that  it has done
> first.

A good emailer / newsreader, such as Mozilla's Thunderbird allows you to
change a setting to start my reply below the quote.  Therefore no extra
work involved.  My emails have a different setting to start my reply
above the quote.  Having the best of both worlds.

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J. Clarke - 25 Jan 2007 21:59 GMT
>>>> In article
>>>> <45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>work involved.  My emails have a different setting to start my reply
>above the quote.  Having the best of both worlds.

That's nice.  But what does it have to do with anything?
l v - 26 Jan 2007 00:55 GMT
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <45b7224a$0$7951$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> That's nice.  But what does it have to do with anything?

sigh ... about as much as this thread does with photography.

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THO - 27 Jan 2007 16:44 GMT
> the Human to tell the computer what to do. English speaking
> people read and write from the top down. This, being an English
> newsgroup, requires that the Human place the reply so that it
> follows the post.

Bull. This is usenet, not IRC or instant messaging. Who the hell rereads
the quoted text after just reading the previous messages in the
thread??? All that bottom posting does is waste the time of the reader
because now he has to page down through the message to get to the new
information.

I understand the point of inline posting when someone wants to comment
on one point after another. But the nerds who started the usenet bottom
posting fascination are wasting all of our time. If there is no need for
inline comments, the standard should have been to post the comments at
the top.
John McWilliams - 27 Jan 2007 18:04 GMT
>> the Human to tell the computer what to do. English speaking
>> people read and write from the top down. This, being an English
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> because now he has to page down through the message to get to the new
> information.

That's where trimming comes in. There are few posts that need even a
full page if properly trimmed.

Also, consider that not everyone (can) read a thread in the same
sitting, or remember what was said a few hours ago.

> I understand the point of inline posting when someone wants to comment
> on one point after another. But the nerds who started the usenet bottom
> posting fascination are wasting all of our time. If there is no need for
> inline comments, the standard should have been to post the comments at
> the top.

Perhaps, but it isn't. Trimming and bottom posting are as much social
conventions, ones which make other's use of the NG easier and more
pleasant.

Certain folk's MMV.

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THO - 27 Jan 2007 18:47 GMT
> >> the Human to tell the computer what to do. English speaking
> >> people read and write from the top down. This, being an English
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> That's where trimming comes in. There are few posts that need even a
> full page if properly trimmed.

True. Unfortunately, most do not trim when posssible.

> Also, consider that not everyone (can) read a thread in the same
> sitting, or remember what was said a few hours ago.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> conventions, ones which make other's use of the NG easier and more
> pleasant.

Agreed that the custom now is to bottom post and that it's best for
consistency if we all do the same thing. I just wish I didn't have to
page down constantly on my 15" screen to get to the new information.

I have to admit that the vitriolic comments of the "top posting is evil"
fanatics is enough to make me want to top post - if only in response to
their postings and just to annoy them. :) These fanatics need to lighten
up.

> Certain folk's MMV.
Prometheus - 27 Jan 2007 20:12 GMT
>> Perhaps, but it isn't. Trimming and bottom posting are as much social
>> conventions, ones which make other's use of the NG easier and more
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>consistency if we all do the same thing. I just wish I didn't have to
>page down constantly on my 15" screen to get to the new information.

That's why we trim that which is no longer relevant.

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John McWilliams - 28 Jan 2007 05:27 GMT
>  
> I have to admit that the vitriolic comments of the "top posting is evil"
> fanatics is enough to make me want to top post - if only in response to
> their postings and just to annoy them. :) These fanatics need to lighten
> up.

I'm with you on that (as well as what else you wrote)- a virulent bottom
poster am I, sometimes tempted to top post exactly for the reasons you
cite.

Well, on to better things, such as correcting spelling and grammar in
posts which correct other's spelling or grammar. ... <s>

Who knows, may even find a photo or camera discussion to participate in.
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David Dyer-Bennet - 27 Jan 2007 18:53 GMT
>> the Human to tell the computer what to do. English speaking
>> people read and write from the top down. This, being an English
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> inline comments, the standard should have been to post the comments at
> the top.

You don't know, at the time you post the first response, whether there
will be further responses or not.  Statistically, it's *VERY* likely
that there will, so you might as well start at the bottom.
Rebecca Ore - 27 Jan 2007 19:39 GMT
> All that bottom posting does is waste the time of the reader
> because now he has to page down through the message to get to the new
> information.

The news reader I use allows the person replying to snip all except
what's being replied to and sets my reply on the bottom of that.

Editing out what's not being replied to helps tremendously.

What some of us forget is that it takes a big of mental training to
learn how to read interleaved replies.  It's worth it to do, but it's
not as transparent as some of those who are used to it would like to
insist that it is.
THO - 28 Jan 2007 04:01 GMT
> > All that bottom posting does is waste the time of the reader
> > because now he has to page down through the message to get to the new
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> not as transparent as some of those who are used to it would like to
> insist that it is.

One thing that helps me with the interleaved replies is that I have
configured this newsreader to display the quoted text in a different
color (light grey) which helps to make the new text in standard black
jump off the page.
Rebecca Ore - 28 Jan 2007 05:05 GMT
> One thing that helps me with the interleaved replies is that I have
> configured this newsreader to display the quoted text in a different
> color (light grey) which helps to make the new text in standard black
> jump off the page.

I didn't even have to configure that in this one, which means that
program GUI designers do understand that reading interleaved text isn't
intuitive without additional visual clues beyond the >.

Gnus used a rainbow of colors which made levels of quotes quite
interesting but sometimes unreadable due to the colors.
DoN. Nichols - 29 Jan 2007 05:34 GMT
According to Rebecca Ore  <macogoense@gmail.com>:

> > One thing that helps me with the interleaved replies is that I have
> > configured this newsreader to display the quoted text in a different
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> program GUI designers do understand that reading interleaved text isn't
> intuitive without additional visual clues beyond the >.

    I've never had difficulty with it -- assuming that the
newsreaders properly insert the quote markers.

    However -- I suspect that the color keying is aimed at
converting those who would rather fight than interleave.

> Gnus used a rainbow of colors which made levels of quotes quite
> interesting but sometimes unreadable due to the colors.

    Yes -- too many colors can get quite confusing.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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G.T. - 24 Jan 2007 19:01 GMT
> Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.

No, he doesn't have a problem.  His newsreader is DOING WHAT IT IS
SUPPOSED TO DO YOU STUPID OBSTINATE f.cking MORON.  Your head is f.cking 
broken.  How many times is this going to need to be pointed out to you
before you get a clue?

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Doug MacDonald - 25 Jan 2007 03:41 GMT
Oh ....you are getting more literate, aren't you Greg?
Four new words and found the caps lock all in the same day... Wow!

And all this time I thought you were just a simple village idiot who forged
a résumé to get a job. Now I know for sure you are totally clueless. Get a
life child.

These groups do not exist for your entertainment or for you to practice
profanity and shouting in preparation for your next bungle. At least Joan
can write a working program first up... Not quite up to your "Dell
Experience" which I'm still ROTFL about...

Hey Joan...
Take the time to complain to supernews about this turkey. The conditions he
accepted when he signed on with them are very specific about personal
vilification.

From Douglas...
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: > Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.
:
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: Greg
G.T. - 25 Jan 2007 06:25 GMT
> Oh ....you are getting more literate, aren't you Greg?
> Four new words and found the caps lock all in the same day... Wow!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> can write a working program first up... Not quite up to your "Dell
> Experience" which I'm still ROTFL about...

You're funny.  Tell us about perspective and lenses again.

> Hey Joan...
> Take the time to complain to supernews about this turkey. The conditions he
> accepted when he signed on with them are very specific about personal
> vilification.

Go ahead.  I don't see anything about vilification here but I do see
something about nymshifting:

http://www.supernews.com/about/aup.html
http://www.supernews.com/about/tos.html

How many different IDs have you used just in the last year?  Maybe I
should check your ISP's AUP, nymshifting is clearly against Supernews' AUP.

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Prometheus - 26 Jan 2007 00:32 GMT
>Oh ....you are getting more literate, aren't you Greg?
>Four new words and found the caps lock all in the same day... Wow!
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>
>From Douglas...

Q. Why does the text you quoted not appear in my reply?
A. Because you prevented it being automatically included.

Q. How do I included it?
A. I have to copy and paste.

Q. Is there a problem with doing this?
A. Yes, it corrupts the line attribution (i.e. >>) and puts everybody
replying to more effort in order to compensate for the incompetent
poster.

Q. Is there another solution?
A. Yes, the incompetent poster could do the job properly the first time.
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donLouis - 24 Jan 2007 23:01 GMT
> : > Adobe Bridge.
> :
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> :
> Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.

Neither newsreader is broken. Your understanding of the English
language is. It is written and _read_ from the top down, not the
bottom up.

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mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 25 Jan 2007 10:00 GMT
> Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.

And mine.  But don't you worry, Joan, you just ignore the *dozens* of
people who have, often very patiently, told you why..

Because, of course, it's working for *you*, and you're OK.  So the
Universe is as it should be, right?

Do you know what is said about people who stop learning, and stop
listening?
Doug Freese - 25 Jan 2007 16:25 GMT
I'm not only top posting but sh.t canning the asinine BS on posting. I
may be new to this group but have been playing in usenet for 20+ years.
Hell it may have been me and not Gore that created the internet.

I can over hear to pick up some info on Digital cameras being  a new
owner Of Canon Xti and see a childish pissing contest on top vs. bottom
posting. For those that find it must be X, I say get a life. Personally
I prefer inserting my reply after each  question/statement and keep each
thought together.  Use the best reply that fits note your replying to.

-DF
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 25 Jan 2007 21:00 GMT
Off topic pedantry follows.

> I'm not only top posting
You can only 'top post' if you leave some original content.  Which is
another courteous thing to do...

> but sh.t canning the asinine BS on posting. I
> may be new to this group but have been playing in usenet for 20+ years.
So, in that time you learnt to:
- post angrily and without any ontopic content as your first
contribution
- enter into a debate without researching the background of the
'offenders'
- criticise the posters for being impertinent enough to offer their
opinion on posting conventions.... and then offer *your* opinion on
posting conventions...
- remove all original context from your post

I'm impressed.  Welcome - you'll fit right it!!!

> Hell it may have been me and not Gore that created the internet.
And a humourist!

But now, maybe we should move onto more relevant stuff, like spelling
and grammar...

> I can (sic) over hear (sic) to pick up some info on Digital cameras
> being a new owner Of (sic) Canon Xti and see a childish pissing
> contest on top vs. bottom posting. For those that find it must be X,
> I say get a life. Personally I prefer inserting my reply after each
> question/statement and keep each thought together.
What a *great* original thought - we had never even considered that!!!
So.. what do you call that then?  (O:

> Use the best reply that fits note (sic) your (sic) replying to.

?  Uhh, yeah.  We'll.. er.. do that then ..  (O;
Alan Browne - 26 Jan 2007 23:11 GMT
> Alan YOU have a problem.  YOUR newsreader is broken. Not MINE.

My news reader puts the standard "--" in front of a sig so that other
_compliant_ newsreaders will know where the sig begins.

I suspect you're "breaking" your sig marker just to be a flaming pain in
the a.s.  Something for which you seem naturally gifted.

Stop top posting.  It is really the non plus ultra of newsgroup rudeness.

Cheers,
Alan
Doug MacDonald - 25 Jan 2007 03:30 GMT
This is  a very odd comment from one who defies the very rules he purports
to defend. Selective use is not your choice alone, you know?

I refer to your sig which runs to 4 lines when the convention is a maximum
of three. You are quite unapologetic about this abuse too. When this group
started, you, yourself published the charter and guidelines which said three
lines to a sig. When I pointed out your defiance of the "guidelines",
instead of reducing your sig... You changed the bloody guidelines! How
bombastic can you get?

Top posting is a valid way of getting your message to the reader who is
capable of following a thread. Outlook Express catalogues threads so they
are chronology arranged and way easier to follow when everyone top posts
than your mangled bottom posts where you force people to go over what they
have already read in prior messages just to get to your one liner of
irrelevant drivel. The message being replied to is included as a footer for
reference. A logical and concise way to present message.

Stop chastising other for having a different opinion to you and the world
will be a better place. Although knowing you, hell will freeze over first.
Douglas
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Paul Arthur - 25 Jan 2007 05:07 GMT
> This is  a very odd comment from one who defies the very rules he purports
> to defend. Selective use is not your choice alone, you know?
>
> I refer to your sig which runs to 4 lines when the convention is a maximum
> of three.  

Four lines is McQ compliant.  Top-posting runs contrary to established
convention, and causes you to look like an ignorant fool.

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Joan - 25 Jan 2007 12:25 GMT
I think you should all post in Latin.

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David J Taylor - 25 Jan 2007 14:01 GMT
> I think you should all post in Latin.

Why?
Joan - 25 Jan 2007 22:18 GMT
To keep those that advocate living in the past, happy.

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G.T. - 26 Jan 2007 03:23 GMT
> To keep those that advocate living in the past, happy.

My you are an obnoxious f.cking twit.  We're living in the present, where
people generally try to communicate in some common linear language or
format.

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Joan - 26 Jan 2007 03:24 GMT
YOU are living in the past.

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B'inyamin Cramer - 26 Jan 2007 02:52 GMT
>I think you should all post in Latin.

Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.
Joan - 26 Jan 2007 03:03 GMT
It's good that he doesn't :-)

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B'inyamin Cramer - 26 Jan 2007 03:32 GMT
> It's good that he doesn't :-)

True. True. What would  he think?

> : Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.
Joan - 26 Jan 2007 03:44 GMT
He'd be happy with all the wars taking place, presuming it's Julius
we're talking about.  He was an aggressor in the extreme.

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G.T. - 26 Jan 2007 05:44 GMT
>> It's good that he doesn't :-)
>
> True. True. What would  he think?

That you have half a brain and Joan has none.

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MrB - 26 Jan 2007 02:21 GMT
I agree with you. When following a thread, I prefer to see the most recent
post at the top. This has been argued over and over and seems to be a matter
of personal preference. When I am following a thread, if the answer is at
the bottom, I scroll to the bottom. If at the top, I just read it.

> This is  a very odd comment from one who defies the very rules he purports
> to defend. Selective use is not your choice alone, you know?
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David J Taylor - 26 Jan 2007 07:51 GMT
> I agree with you. When following a thread, I prefer to see the most
> recent post at the top. This has been argued over and over and seems
> to be a matter of personal preference. When I am following a thread,
> if the answer is at the bottom, I scroll to the bottom. If at the
> top, I just read it.

Personally, I prefer if enough cropping is done so that:

- the answer follows the question and does not precede it

- both question and answer fit on the same screen.

David
Toni Nikkanen - 26 Jan 2007 07:53 GMT
> Personally, I prefer if enough cropping is done so that:

So, what would you consider a proper crop factor for replies, then?

(I think I have to run very fast, now.)
David J Taylor - 26 Jan 2007 08:12 GMT
> "David J Taylor"
> <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk> writes:
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>
> (I think I have to run very fast, now.)

Ah, you noticed the term!  <G>  Fortunately, there is no single correct
answer (so doubtless it will be debated to death here!).

David
David Dyer-Bennet - 26 Jan 2007 23:50 GMT
>> Personally, I prefer if enough cropping is done so that:
>
> So, what would you consider a proper crop factor for replies, then?
>
> (I think I have to run very fast, now.)

You can run, but you can't hide!!!! :-)
Alan Browne - 26 Jan 2007 03:26 GMT
> This is  a very odd comment from one who defies the very rules he purports
> to defend. Selective use is not your choice alone, you know?

Been there Dougie:  Read the NG charter.

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Tiny Tim - 23 Jan 2007 10:10 GMT
> I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken
> but I'm looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF
> info as opposed to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are
> there any good free non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF
> reading and displaying capability?

I suspect this will do what you need....

http://www.exifpro.com/index.html

I've used it as "trialware" for a while and there is a startup nag screen
that takes longer and longer to disappear the longer you trial the product.
Unfortunately none of the screen shots on the website show the view that I
found most useful, where you could view a listing of images in a folder and
the exif data strung out in columns for each image (just like a "details"
view of files in Windows Explorer). Columns were freely (de)selectable for
inclusion and you could sort on any column so, for example, you could sort
photos by focal length or ISO.
Doug Payne - 23 Jan 2007 13:18 GMT
> I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but I'm
> looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as opposed
> to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are there any good free
> non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF reading and displaying
> capability?

Looked at exifer?
Adrian Boliston - 23 Jan 2007 18:38 GMT
> I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but
> I'm looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as
> opposed to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are there any good
> free non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF reading and displaying
> capability?

ViewEXIF http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/index_en.htm (this is an extention to IE6
so you can "right click" on an image within IE to view the exif info).

cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk
Paul Furman - 26 Jan 2007 08:20 GMT
> I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but I'm
> looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as opposed
> to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are there any good free
> non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF reading and displaying
> capability?

I have Irfanview (free) set up to read a custom list of a few critical
settings at the top of the screen in full screen mode... it's a great
tool for culling. Type 'I' then 'E' to get the full exif list. The CS2
raw converter does something similar with lens, shutter, aperture & ISO
on the title bar.
Dr. Joel M. Hoffman - 26 Jan 2007 17:00 GMT
>I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but I'm
>looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as opposed
>to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are there any good free
>non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF reading and displaying
>capability?

If you have (or can get) the images on a web site, you can use:

 http://www.posted-online.com/exif/exify.cgi

which automatically displays exif information for every image on a
web-site.

If a page links to exify.cgi, clicking on the link gives you the exif
information for all the images from that page.

For each image, you get a nice floating box with three tabs: a tiny
thumbnail, "some" exif info (mostly exposure), and all the exif info.

I don't know how well it works with very complicated pages that use
lots of javascript or other methods to display images, but I've found
exify to be pretty useful.

There's more information at:

http://www.posted-online.com/exif/

-Joel
Siggy - 26 Jan 2007 18:56 GMT
>> I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but I'm
>> looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as opposed
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>
> If you have (or can get) the images on a web site, you can use:

[snipped]

That was exactly my interpretation of his use of the word 'browse' too. ;-)
Dr. Joel M. Hoffman - 26 Jan 2007 17:15 GMT
>I've been using EXIF Reader to get detailed info on pics I've taken but I'm
>looking for something more for browsing while pulling EXIF info as opposed
>to pulling up EXIF on a case-by-case basis.  Are there any good free
>non-bloatware browsers with automatic EXIF reading and displaying
>capability?

Sorry to repeat myself.  It turns out there are more convenient links
to use than the ones I just posted.  They are:

    http://exify.posted-online.com/

(Link to that to get exif info about all the images on any web page.)

And:

    http://exif.posted-online.com

has a user interface to exify and more information.

For example, the link:

    <a href="http://exify.posted-online.com>Get EXIF data.</a>

from a web page displays exif data about all the images on the web
page.

-Joel
 
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