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Using Nikon D80 below freezing

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Paige Miller - 18 Jan 2007 20:47 GMT
I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing
this week for the first time all winter.

How well does the camera work in this weather? The manual says that
the operating conditions are 32 deg F and above.

If you have any tips or tricks for using a D80 in winter conditions,
please share!

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Doug Payne - 18 Jan 2007 21:39 GMT
> I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing
> this week for the first time all winter.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If you have any tips or tricks for using a D80 in winter conditions,
> please share!

I've used my D100 in some pretty cold conditions to at least -25C (-13F)
and it works fine. I assume the D80 will be similar. All the usual
caveats about using any camera in cold weather apply, particularly when
going between inside and outside. There's lots of good info about that
available. Basically, don't take it out of your camera bag right away
when you go back indoors; give it a few hours to acclimatise, else be
prepared to deal with condensation. Don't take it outside if there is
condensation in the camera or lens. Keeping the battery as warm as
possible will prolong its life, although lithium-ion does pretty well;
carry a spare in an inside pocket and swap back and forth frequently.
The LCD screens might stop working at really low temps.

Don't stick your tongue on the metal parts :-)
Paige Miller - 18 Jan 2007 22:43 GMT
>> I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing
>> this week for the first time all winter.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> carry a spare in an inside pocket and swap back and forth frequently.
> The LCD screens might stop working at really low temps.

Thanks! That's very helpful and very re-assuring.

> Don't stick your tongue on the metal parts :-)

Darn, I was planning on doing that too!

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Rudy Benner - 18 Jan 2007 21:42 GMT
>I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing this
>week for the first time all winter.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If you have any tips or tricks for using a D80 in winter conditions,
> please share!

You might have a few issues of fogging when bringing the camera outside.

I use my Nikon outside in well below freezing temperatures. No problem.
darkroommike - 18 Jan 2007 23:35 GMT
The camera usually doesn't fog when going from warm to cold
only when returned to the warm humid interior of your nice
warm house or car after taking on the outside ambient temp.
 Pack a BIG zipper freezer bag, put the cold camera in the
bag, Zip, and then bring it in to warm up.  The cold outside
air is very low humidity, let the camera warm to room temp
before opening the bag, no condensation.  The bag is handy
when it's raining, too, and when you're done shooting makes
a practical (if somewhat stupid looking) rain hat.  Great
also to store all your little bits and pieces for
presentation at the airport line for hand inspection:
cards, batteries, flash cords, etc.
darkroommike

>> I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing this
>> week for the first time all winter.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I use my Nikon outside in well below freezing temperatures. No problem.
Phil, Non-Squid - 19 Jan 2007 02:50 GMT
>I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing this
>week for the first time all winter.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If you have any tips or tricks for using a D80 in winter conditions,
> please share!

Take some long exposures... the sensor is more noise-free in freezing
conditions.

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Sheldon - 19 Jan 2007 03:15 GMT
>I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing this
>week for the first time all winter.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If you have any tips or tricks for using a D80 in winter conditions,
> please share!

I used my Nikon D70 in well below freezing temps today with no problems.
Well, there was this problem of trying to shoot a white dog in the snow, but
that has nothing to do with the camera's function.
tomm42 - 19 Jan 2007 13:47 GMT
On Jan 18, 3:47 pm, Paige Miller <pmiller5NOS...@rochester.rr.com>
wrote:
> I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below freezing
> this week for the first time all winter.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> If you get the choice to sit it out or dance,
>    I hope you dance -- Lee Ann Womack

Keep the camera inside your top layer so it stays warm, as it said on
another post, keep a warm spare battery. Cold really stresses
batteries, don't expect the same performance from your battery below
freezing (or even at freezing) thatyou get at 80 F. Switching batteries
with a warm one may increase the number of photos, I'll have to try it
this winter.

Tom
Floyd L. Davidson - 19 Jan 2007 19:55 GMT
>I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below
>freezing this week for the first time all winter.
>
>How well does the camera work in this weather? The manual says
>that the operating conditions are 32 deg F and above.

The trick is generally to keep the camera relatively warm.  Do
that by keeping it under your coat as much as possible.

Note that cold batteries are not discharged or dead, and as soon
as they are warmed up they'll work again.  Hence if the camera
stops working, warm it up!

I don't know about the D80 batteries, but with a Nikon D2x the
batteries I have are a royal *pain*.  They cannot be swapped.  A
fully charged battery can be put into the camera and work, but
if it is immediately removed from the camera it cannot be used
again until it is first "recharged" in a charger.

Charged batteries that are left sitting for a length of time
will also not work until put through another charge cycle.

One effect is that the camera cannot be used to verify the
charge state of a battery, because doing so leaves the battery
"dead".  And it is impossible to know if a battery that was
charged last week is going to work or not, so grabbing two or
three "charged" batteries and heading out the door probably
means a battery disaster.

Be careful when you take a cold camera into a warm moist
environment.  Under your coat generally is not moist unless you
have been exercising and are wet and sweating.  But going from
outside into a house is a problem.  Warm air can hold more
moisture, but when it comes in contact with the cold camera that
moisture condenses out.

The camera does not need to be all the way up to room
temperature, and it does not need to be in an air tight
container.  Just keep the warm moist air off the camera until
the temperature of the camera is warm enough (40F, for example
is usually enough) to avoid condensation.  Some camera bags will
work (but some won't, and none are as good as a plastic bag for
other reasons).

The easy way is to keep a few plastic bags handy (e.g., in your
vehicle or in your camera bag).  Kitchen size garbage bags are
good, and for most cameras one or two plastic "grocery bags"
will do fine too.  They do not have to be air tight, you just
need to prevent air from circulating, and that can be done by
just squeezing most of the air out of the bag while still in a
cold area.

Air is a very good insulator, hence any container that has a lot
of air in it will also mean it takes more time for the camera to
warm up.  A camera bag, or a large zip lock back sealed full of
air, are examples.  It may take hours more...

I commonly wrap a Nikon D2x up in a plastic grocery bag, and
then put that into another grocery bag.  For smaller cameras or
individual lenses, a single bag is fine because it can just be
rolled up in a ball.  The idea is to get as much air out as
possible, and then not do anything that will cause air to be
move back into the bag.  Set it down in one place and leave it
until warm.

>If you have any tips or tricks for using a D80 in winter
>conditions, please share!

Wear loose shoes with thermal knit socks, and keep your forehead
warm.  Also, a vest under your jacket, to help keep the core of
your body warm, is nice too.  But *do* *not* *sweat* in cold
weather.

Cameras work better when you aren't hypothermic... :-)

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Mike Fields - 19 Jan 2007 20:12 GMT
>>I have a new Nikon D80 and the outside temperature is below
>>freezing this week for the first time all winter.
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>
> Cameras work better when you aren't hypothermic... :-)

Sheesh -- who better to talk about cold weather than somebody from
Barrow, AK (especially at this time of year).  Good time for practicing
your "nite shots" too up there !!

mikey
Floyd L. Davidson - 20 Jan 2007 00:54 GMT
>> Cameras work better when you aren't hypothermic... :-)
>>
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>Barrow, AK (especially at this time of year).  Good time for practicing
>your "nite shots" too up there !!

That stuff is all sort of an every day thing here. :-)

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Mike Fields - 20 Jan 2007 04:49 GMT
>>> Cameras work better when you aren't hypothermic... :-)
>>>
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>
> That stuff is all sort of an every day thing here. :-)

Yeah -- I used to work with a guy that spent a number of years in
Wainwright - used to enjoy his stories of running his dog teams
(or did they run him ??).

mikey
Floyd L. Davidson - 20 Jan 2007 08:16 GMT
>Yeah -- I used to work with a guy that spent a number of years in
>Wainwright - used to enjoy his stories of running his dog teams
>(or did they run him ??).

That must have been interesting!  Wainwright is a pretty nice
village.

I used to run dogs, and raced them too, but that was a long time
ago.

Hopefully, you run the dogs.  But when they decide to run you,
you don't have any choice at all!  Kinda like being tied to the
back end of a freight train gone wild.

Letting loose with a well trained dog team is second only to
sex...

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Mike Fields - 20 Jan 2007 16:12 GMT
>>Yeah -- I used to work with a guy that spent a number of years in
>>Wainwright - used to enjoy his stories of running his dog teams
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Letting loose with a well trained dog team is second only to
> sex...

Yep, pretty much what he said too (he had them get away a couple
of times).  Or you get a fight started.  Said he learned to carry an
old axe handle so he could wade into the middle of the fight and
get their attention.

mikey
 
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