Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
performed flawlessly for me since I bought it. I couldn't asl amny
more from an SLR than what it has given me.
With the advent of the Rebel XTi and it's 10+ megapixel image I must
say though I am feeling the need to upgrade.
My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
Scott W - 12 Jan 2007 12:32 GMT
Skinn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
> the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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> My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
> pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
You should be getting very nice sharp 8 x 12 inch prints from the
Digital Rebel, so unless you want to print larger then that there is
little need to upgrade, IMO.
If you like to make larger prints, like say 12 x 18 then the XTi would
be capable of producing noticeably sharper prints.
The only other reason to get the higher MP camera that I can think of
is if you want to be able to do a bit more cropping, which can be a
plus depending on what kind of shooting you are doing.
Scott
Greg "_" - 12 Jan 2007 14:31 GMT
> You should be getting very nice sharp 8 x 12 inch prints from the
> Digital Rebel, so unless you want to print larger then that there is
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> Scott
Or going across a 11 x17 page as in magazine work.

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Skinner1@hotmail.com - 13 Jan 2007 04:50 GMT
>Skinn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
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>Scott
Thanks Scott. Actually I pring extremely clean and sharp 13x19's and
have gone as high as 20x24 very nicely from this camera. That's why I
am wondering whether spending the $$$ for the extra body would really
benifit me?
I had not really considered the cropping aspect. That is a
consideration.
Greg "_" - 12 Jan 2007 14:31 GMT
> Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
> the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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> My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
> pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
Yes larger perhaps less noise with newer- no more definition though.

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Joseph Meehan - 12 Jan 2007 15:48 GMT
> Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
> the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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> My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
> pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
For most of us mere mortals, there will be very little difference.
Other than money there is little to loose, but in real life for most people
there is little to gain. You can still make larger than 8x10 prints, but in
the larger ones the larger sensor may produce a better result as it is
likely to do under very low light conditions.
Personally I plan on living with my 20D for some time yet. Maybe a
couple of more generations. Sort of like new computers or operating systems.
I give them a couple or more generations of changes before I spend the
money.

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Skinner1@hotmail.com - 13 Jan 2007 04:52 GMT
>> Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
>> the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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>I give them a couple or more generations of changes before I spend the
>money.
Good point. Cutting edge is only a benifit if it works as flawlessly
as the refined older technology.
gowanoh - 12 Jan 2007 19:19 GMT
As an owner of 6mp and 10mps sensor dSLRs I can succinctly state the
technical advantage of the larger sensor-- none for all practical purposes.
Even less if you do not frequently, and I mean frequently, print larger than
8.5x11 sheets.
The satisfaction of buying a new toy: priceless.
When they make a sensor with larger dynamic range so that you do not have to
resort to raw processing tricks then that would be a significant and
worthwhile upgrade.
However new camera features may make sense if you need a rationalization for
buying a new toy. It is not clear how effective the sensor cleaning function
of the XTi is but if you find dust bunnies a problem when you switch lenses
. . . well, there's a good excuse for buying one.
Skinner1@hotmail.com - 13 Jan 2007 04:56 GMT
>As an owner of 6mp and 10mps sensor dSLRs I can succinctly state the
>technical advantage of the larger sensor-- none for all practical purposes.
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>of the XTi is but if you find dust bunnies a problem when you switch lenses
>. . . well, there's a good excuse for buying one.
You cut right to the heart of the matter! NEW TOYS!!! :)
I would love to have a back-up body as I get more and more into the
professional end of photography.... if I can make that transition from
heavy hobbist/artist wannabe to businessman selling nice pictures.
Make no mistake, there is a HUGE difference between the two.
The self cleaning sensor is a neat feature but that is part of that
"cutting edge" technology discussed earlier. I want to see that work
for a while before I use it as a reason to buy. :)
Bryan Olson - 14 Jan 2007 11:21 GMT
> You cut right to the heart of the matter! NEW TOYS!!! :)
Dude: L glass. The new toy thrill without the rapid depreciation.

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eawckyegcy@yahoo.com - 12 Jan 2007 20:44 GMT
Skinn...@hotmail.com wrote:
> [Digital Rebel] vs. [Rebel XTi]
>
> My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
> pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
Random grepping of the net reveals that sizeof(Digital Rebel sensor) ==
sizeof(Rebel XTi sensor). Since the XTi has more pixels ("TEN
MULTI-FREAKING-DIMENSIONAL SPACE-TIME MEGA
PIXELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"), it follows the pixels are smaller.
Unless the read-noise situation has improved with the XTi, the upgrade
isn't.
Now, isn't it easier to just listen to the voices in your pillow? The
guys at Canon have families too, you know.
Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 13 Jan 2007 00:43 GMT
>Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
>the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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>My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
>pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
My big question to you is what are you not satisfied with in your current
images? If you have no answer to this which is addressed in the next
version camera, you have absolutely no logical reason to upgrade.

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Skinner1@hotmail.com - 13 Jan 2007 05:01 GMT
>>Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
>>the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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>images? If you have no answer to this which is addressed in the next
>version camera, you have absolutely no logical reason to upgrade.
Thanks. But can I apply logic to a camera purchase? :)
Actually this is a very good point though. I am more satisfied with
the camera I have now (Rebel) than any camera I have ever had over the
30+ years I have been shooting 35mm film cameras! That is probably
more because I am doing all my own processing and printing work
though. :)
I have printed excellent 24x30 images from an old SONY Mavecia
camera.... I think a lot of that is just in how you handle the image
in Photoshop. The current 6MP sensor is very much adequate for the
kind of work I have done and more than suitable for the few
professional shoots I have compleated. I guess I stay with this one
for now than. :)
Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 14 Jan 2007 11:33 GMT
>Thanks. But can I apply logic to a camera purchase? :)
If you don't care to then don't bother wasting the time in asking the
question and just go buy a new toy.
>Actually this is a very good point though. I am more satisfied with
>the camera I have now (Rebel) than any camera I have ever had over the
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>professional shoots I have compleated. I guess I stay with this one
>for now than. :)
Your original message didn't point out any reason why you thought you might
need greater pixel count other than it's there. Scott covered the possible
tangible benefits. Another question to ask is there some other feature
besides slightly greater resolution which you would benefit from? Using
Nikons, I'm not familiar with the details of the lower end Canons, so I
don't know if these would apply or not: faster frame rate, bigger/brighter
viewfinder, better AF system, etc.

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HarryO50 - 14 Jan 2007 12:43 GMT
I agree with waitng out the newer sensors. A company in Japan, oh, I
forget their name now....just introduced a low-light, nearly dark
sensor that is available only in the lower mp range. It would be
something to see a 10=20mp sensor available like that. Now, THAT would
be worth waiting for.
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> >Thanks. But can I apply logic to a camera purchase? :)
>
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Bryan Olson - 14 Jan 2007 11:17 GMT
> Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
> the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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> My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
> pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
Sure it's a little better, but it too will be obsolete soon enough.
Like you, I'm pretty happy with an older D-Rebel. I'm sitting out
minor upgrades, saving up for a big one.

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Bill Funk - 14 Jan 2007 15:39 GMT
>Currently I use a Digital Rebel. One of the ones that came out late
>the second year they were available. It's a 6.2 megapixel and has
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>My big question is: What would I gain from the larger number of
>pixels? Would it simply be end image overall size?
If, as you say, the DRebel is giving you everything you want, why
upgrade?
That you are still "feeling he need to upgrade" tells me the DRebel
just isn't floating your boat as much as it did when new. OK, there's
nothing wrong with that.
For most of us who aren't pros, photography is a hobby; we are
invested in it to one extent or another.
But, in my opinion, grown-ups call their toys "hobbies." Whether their
toys are boats, cameras, clay, paint, radios, kitchen utensils,
whatever, doesn't matter: they are toys. Hobbies provide enjoyment.
That's what they are for. Just like what we call toys when kids play
with them.
If a newer camera will give you more enjoyment, go for it.
Being honest, that's why I replaced my DRebel with a 30D; I don't need
the extra 2MP; the larger LCD is nice, the faster turn-on time is
great, but at the end of the day, it makes my photography hobby more
enjoyable.
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