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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / January 2007Pentax K10D and Samsung GX-10
These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates  SignatureAll outgoing emails are scanned with Norton Antivirus 2005 > These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates I just looked over an article that listed these 2 cameras, along with the D80 and Rebel. It gave a pretty brief but god going over. I "think" it was Popular Photography. Rob > These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates Reviews seem to agree that it is merely a Pentax K10D with rebadged camera and lenses, along with a few Samsung adjustments likes a different menu, software, etc. I guess Samsung wants a bigger piece of the DSLR market and bought the Pentax design so they could jump further into the game without much fuss, similar to how Sony jumped in with the purchase of Minolta. >These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates A little more than that - the GX-10 has some cosmetic changes (different size and shapes for the buttons, etc.), and runs a somewhat modified version of the firmware. But the internal underpinnings are the same - it is basically the same camera. (The same is true of the other Samusung DSLR models; they are just rebadged versions of earlier Pentax digital cameras). >>These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (The same is true of the other Samusung DSLR models; they are > just rebadged versions of earlier Pentax digital cameras). Also RAW format on the Samsung is DNG only. >>> These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates >> A little more than that - the GX-10 has some cosmetic changes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Also RAW format on the Samsung is DNG only. Is there much of a price difference on the street between the two? I'd take a DNG only camera, especially if it was a few bucks cheaper. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons >>>> These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates >>> A little more than that - the GX-10 has some cosmetic changes [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Greg For a few bucks I will stick with the Pentax, I have a little more faith in Pentax firmware updates and I am a name snob anyway because it matches my other four Pentax cameras. >>>>>These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Pentax firmware updates and I am a name snob anyway because it matches my > other four Pentax cameras. But check out the Samsung versions of the Hoya-made Pentax lenses (Samsung only has the models made by Hoya and branded as Schneider-Kreuznach). They are really neat cosmetic designs, a well-integrated set of lenses visually, and look the works. If you buy Samsung and stick with their own lenses the result would be a neat kit. David >>>>>>These two cameras seem identical apart from the name plates >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > David Do you know if they are MTF compatible for program mode on the Pentaxes, to be honest I have not seen them here in Australia but they did look interesting? Any Primes? >>But check out the Samsung versions of the Hoya-made Pentax lenses (Samsung >>only has the models made by Hoya and branded as Schneider-Kreuznach). They [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > be honest I have not seen them here in Australia but they did look > interesting? Any Primes? They are fully compatible. They are the same as the Hoya-made lenses in the Pentax range, which are also available independently as Tokina lenses - Hoya's own brand. Pentax has relied on this range for some of their innovative AF products, like the 10-17mm and the new 50-135mm f2.8. They make the Pentax 100mm f2.8 macro, and that's the only prime lens as far as I know (also available as a Schneider Samsung version). Some of the lenses made for Pentax/Samsung/Schneider are not available as Tokina, and at least one Samsung prime lens - the 35mm f2 labelled as SAMSUNG and not as Schneider - looks to be from another source (the rubber focus ring bears a strong resemblance to a discontinued Minolta 35mm f2). There is no Pentax 35mm f2, so it's not come from that direction. The illustrations of the lenses on Samsung's web pages look like a real mixed bag. At photokina, that is not how they looked at all. Grouped in sets in glass walk-round cases, they appeared to be very well matched and I didn't notice any different sorts of focus grip etc. But then, I did not notice the 35mm f2 Samsung, I only studied the Schneider-branded items. If you want genuine Pentax-made glass, the limited edition series 21mm, 31mm, 40mm pancake, 43mm and 77mm are amazing. Lovely to handle and use, the diametric opposite of a Canon lens. Lumpfingered press shooters would hate them; they feel more like using an old Leica screw lens. Before Hoya announced it would merge with Pentax (really a take-over in size terms) I asked Samsung and Pentax about future plans and the answer was that Samsung are - from this point onwards - to develop their own DSLR without borrowing Pentax technology, so the next one will be a totally original design. It follows that the 35mm f2 (not a Schneider, or they would have said so, and not a Hoya-Schneider-anon either - a pure Samsung branding) may be the first of a new line. The mount will remain K-AF. As for the sensor? Samsung trade a lot with Sony, but if I was in their position, I'd be trying to develop an entirely new and much better 10+ megapixel sensor. David >There is no Pentax 35mm f2, so it's not come from that direction. ???? http://www.takinami.com/yoshihiko/photo/fa35/index.html SignatureJohn Bean Was going to jump on that one myself, the Pentax 35mm F2 is possibly ones of their best allround lenses. >>There is no Pentax 35mm f2, so it's not come from that direction. > > ???? > > http://www.takinami.com/yoshihiko/photo/fa35/index.html >>There is no Pentax 35mm f2, so it's not come from that direction. > > ???? > > http://www.takinami.com/yoshihiko/photo/fa35/index.html You're right - there is. It has been well ignored in the UK because it was entirely absent from the range of Pentax lenses at the launch of the K100D/K10D. That looks exactly the same as the Samsung, and again, not much like other Pentax lenses. David >> Do you know if they are MTF compatible for program mode on the >> Pentaxes, to be honest I have not seen them here in Australia but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > f2.8. They make the Pentax 100mm f2.8 macro, and that's the only prime > lens as far as I know (also available as a Schneider Samsung version). There's both a DFA 100 f2.8 and a DFA 50 f2.8 (and they're both macros). > Some of the lenses made for Pentax/Samsung/Schneider are not available > as Tokina, and at least one Samsung prime lens - the 35mm f2 labelled > as SAMSUNG and not as Schneider - looks to be from another source (the > rubber focus ring bears a strong resemblance to a discontinued Minolta > 35mm f2). There is no Pentax 35mm f2, so it's not come from that > direction. There *is* (or perhaps, sadly, "was") a Pentax 35 f2 (FA 35 f2) - I've got one. Its really good. --Sophie (oh, and there's also the DA 14 f2.8 and DA 70 f2.4 (this is also a limited lens) missing from your list of primes) >>> Do you know if they are MTF compatible for program mode on the >>> Pentaxes, to be honest I have not seen them here in Australia but [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > limited > lens) missing from your list of primes) Are they Samsung badged? >>(oh, and there's also the DA 14 f2.8 and DA 70 f2.4 (this is also a >>limited >>lens) missing from your list of primes) > > Are they Samsung badged? I could have sworn I saw the 14mm f2.8 at photokina from Samsung - and also a 16-? (45mm?). But the list on Samsung's website is quite limited, not even a 50mm macro. I did not pay much deep attention to their stand in Germany, but I was impressed by it - it looked better in some ways than the Pentax stand, and was far more cheerful and 'photographic' than Sony's stand. I looked at the lenses, made comparisons with Tokina (which was close by) and that was enough to confirm the origins of what I saw. David >>>(oh, and there's also the DA 14 f2.8 and DA 70 f2.4 (this is also a >>>limited [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > David Not to worrieed about to many lenses at the moment really except for the new Sigma 70mm F2.8 macro, this looks to be the macro lens I have been waiting for. > For a few bucks I will stick with the Pentax, I have a little more faith in > Pentax firmware updates and I am a name snob anyway because it matches my > other four Pentax cameras. only four? Shameful.... mike |
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