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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / January 2007

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jazu - 09 Jan 2007 15:45 GMT
Hi
Why lenses with lower f cost that much more? Lower f is just a bigger hole.
Is that because lower f required better quality lenses?
acl - 09 Jan 2007 15:49 GMT
> Hi
> Why lenses with lower f cost that much more? Lower f is just a bigger hole.
> Is that because lower f required better quality lenses?

Well, but the hole isn't empty, is it?
bob - 09 Jan 2007 17:26 GMT
that hole will take more engineering to  fill it as its  bigger ;)

try a  f1.2  that will make you think again

> Hi
> Why lenses with lower f cost that much more? Lower f is just a bigger
> hole.
> Is that because lower f required better quality lenses?
Joseph Meehan - 09 Jan 2007 22:56 GMT
> that hole will take more engineering to  fill it as its  bigger ;)
>
> try a  f1.2  that will make you think again

   Did you ever see the Canon  f0.95 rangefinder camera?

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DoN. Nichols - 09 Jan 2007 23:35 GMT
According to Joseph Meehan <sligoNoSPAMjoe@hotmail.com>:
> > that hole will take more engineering to  fill it as its  bigger ;)
> >
> > try a  f1.2  that will make you think again
>
>     Did you ever see the Canon  f0.95 rangefinder camera?

    I used to have the lens -- but never got the matching camera.  A
friend finally found the camera, so I accepted a trade of more Nikon
gear for the lens.

    I also have a Xenar 50mm f0.95 in C-mount.  An impressively
heavy chunk of glass.  (Hmm ... I wonder how much of the D70's crop
factor it would actually cover? :-) I think that it focuses too close to
the mount, so any Nikon body would not work with it.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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Not Disclosed - 10 Jan 2007 23:57 GMT
>> that hole will take more engineering to  fill it as its  bigger ;)
>>
>> try a  f1.2  that will make you think again
>
>     Did you ever see the Canon  f0.95 rangefinder camera?

I have sold a few in my life, but I have also used the far better Leica
Noctilux 50mm f:1.0
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 09 Jan 2007 20:36 GMT
> Why lenses with lower f cost that much more? Lower f is just a bigger hole.

That's like saying "Why does a Saturn V (Moon rocket) cost that
much more than my 4th of July rocket?  It's just a couple 100
times larger, but a couple *million* times more expensive!"

> Is that because lower f required better quality lenses?

If you want something that's much harder to make, needs much
more and much more expensive materials --- and tools to shape
and assemble the materials, too --- you get something much more
expensive, especially if there is no mass market.

-Wolfgang
jeremy - 10 Jan 2007 00:32 GMT
>> Why lenses with lower f cost that much more? Lower f is just a bigger
>> hole.
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>
> -Wolfgang

The lens aberrations increase almost exponentially when the lens design is
adjusted to fast apertures.  Even at f/1.4, there is a clearly-seen
degradation of the image.  The f/1.2 designs exhibit degradation even more
dramatically.

It is a lot more complicated than designing a "bigger hole."
Charles Schuler - 09 Jan 2007 22:39 GMT
> Hi
> Why lenses with lower f cost that much more? Lower f is just a bigger
> hole.
> Is that because lower f required better quality lenses?

A bigger hole means that there is more area for things to go wrong.
Chromatic aberrations, internal reflections, vignetting, distortion, and the
list goes on.

Pinhole cameras are the way to go.
RichA - 10 Jan 2007 17:41 GMT
> Hi
> Why lenses with lower f cost that much more? Lower f is just a bigger hole.
> Is that because lower f required better quality lenses?

The cost of production of faster lenses (that require greater optical
accuracy in production, more expensive glass and larger elements) rises
exponentially.  If they cut corners on any of those three variables,
you still pay more but get worthless optics.
 
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