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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / January 2007Nikon D200 shooting NEF+JPEG
"The D200 accepts CompactFlash and Microdrive, and allows you to shoot in various JPEG modes, in NEF (Nikon's raw file format) or with NEF+JPEG in three levels." The manual also talks about setting the quality. I want to use the highest level and try shooting NEF+JPEG using the Nikon D200, and would like to know how well it works and if it is worth the effort? Are the files smaller when shooting NEF+JPG? I like to print with RAW, but also like to use .JPG for WEB pages. Maybe there is a good WEB site with suggestions. http://www2.hagenhosting.com/~naborswe/Libya/Libyaindex.html (one of my WEB pages) Of course, I can eventently answer these questions by experimenting, but comments from users allways helps? Maybe I can get it right the first time with a few suggestions!! Robert >"The D200 accepts CompactFlash and Microdrive, and allows you to shoot in >various JPEG modes, in NEF (Nikon's raw file format) or with NEF+JPEG in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >D200, and would like to know how well it works and if it is worth the >effort? Are the files smaller when shooting NEF+JPG? ?? Smaller than what? You have the raw NEF AND the JPEG at whatever quality setting you chose. This uses the most storage space possible. >I like to print with >RAW, but also like to use .JPG for WEB pages. Maybe there is a good WEB >site with suggestions. So just make jpgs from the raw files, there are several raw processors which will batch process you files for you. what do you currently use to process your NEFs now?  SignatureEd Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardGRuf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:01:12 -0800, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems > "Robert [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > which will batch process you files for you. what do you currently use to > process your NEFs now? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed, You wrote, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Smaller than what? You have the raw NEF AND the JPEG at whatever quality setting you chose. This uses the most storage space possible." Answer: I was thinking the camera might automatically reduce the size shooting both at the same time. (Bad thinking!) Recently, I have only used JPG, for WEB and a few RAW for portraits. Years past, I used an "Olympus E20" and shot large RAW files but, I only shot one photo at a time in one format, and don't believe it would shoot two types of files at a one shot. I'll have to get it out and see what it can do. My thinking was based on experience with several older digital cameras. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "what do you currently use to process your NEFs now?" Answer: I usually use Photoshop, Ulead PhotoImpact, and sometimes "IrfanView" for batch work. Processing a photo is not a problem. So, thanks for getting me out of earlier camera mode. I'll shoot both NEF and JPG on the D200 and store them as I usually do in an "Epson P-4000" when the card is full. Thanks for your remarks! Robert > "The D200 accepts CompactFlash and Microdrive, and allows you to shoot in > various JPEG modes, in NEF (Nikon's raw file format) or with NEF+JPEG in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > RAW, but also like to use .JPG for WEB pages. Maybe there is a good WEB > site with suggestions. NEF + JPEG means the camera stores two pictures instead of just one. It slows how fast you can take pictures and it takes more storage space. It is a good feature if you are shooting a bunch of news pics. You can send the JPEGs in immediately and then, if necessary, process the ones selected from the NEF files. It takes a lot less time to email JPEGs. Nikon originally thought that this would be the only use, so the only JPEG you could choose was the lowest quality one. But photographers complained (probably without really thinking about it) so now you can choose higher quality JPEGs. For most people you are just as well off shooting only NEF files and then creating your own JPEGs if you need them. You get more control over picture and file size that way. >> "The D200 accepts CompactFlash and Microdrive, and allows you to shoot in >> various JPEG modes, in NEF (Nikon's raw file format) or with NEF+JPEG in [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > picture > and file size that way. Thanks, Good idea! I'll try shooting only NEF files and converting them to JPEG files when needed. Probably, never return to shooting JPEG's. Bob >Good idea! I'll try shooting only NEF files and converting them to JPEG >files >when needed. >Probably, never return to shooting JPEG's. FWIW, the NEF all ready contains a basic quality jpeg. See http://regex.info/blog/2006-12-08/303 for example. SignatureEd Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardGRuf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html >> For most people you are just as well off shooting only NEF files and then >> creating your own JPEGs if you need them. You get more control over [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >when needed. >Probably, never return to shooting JPEG's. The number of images on one CF card is much greater when you shoot JPEG only, and so is the speed that images can be saved to the CF card. Sometimes that is more important than other considerations, and if so shooting JPEG only is useful. Shoot RAW+JPEG does have a potential advantage, which is particularly useful if you use big or slow CF cards. The JPEG images can be quickly downloaded to a computer first, and then you can both download the NEF files and at the same time be previewing the JPEG files. I find this to be a great time saver. It is particularly useful if you have someone waiting to see how the pictures turned out. The entire shoot can be reviewed before the NEF files are finished downloading! As noted by others, the size of the JPEG files is so small compared to NEF files that it does figure into the choice. However, as far as actually using a JPEG... the NEF file already contains a JPEG file (two of them, counting the thumbnail). Hence if the above preview time savings is not significant for your workflow, there isn't much point in making another JPEG file as opposed to simply extracting one from the NEF file. SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com > "The D200 accepts CompactFlash and Microdrive, and allows you to shoot in > various JPEG modes, in NEF (Nikon's raw file format) or with NEF+JPEG in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Robert You can shoot RAW with the possibility of three levels of jpg compression. I usually shoot RAW plus normal. I tried shooting only RAW but found it easier in many apps to just use the jpg as-is rather than taking the time and effort to convert RAW to jpg. The jpgs are quite small compared to the RAW files, so you don't lose many exposures on a relatively large card by shooting a jpg along with the NEF. Toby | "The D200 accepts CompactFlash and Microdrive, and allows you to shoot in | various JPEG modes, in NEF (Nikon's raw file format) or with NEF+JPEG in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | RAW, but also like to use .JPG for WEB pages. Maybe there is a good WEB | site with suggestions. I have a D70 with similar options. While Raw+JPEG consumes the most storage space, it's really cheap and readily available in large quantities with up to 8GB cards and microdrives. I use this whenever I shoot Raw because I review the results on at least one computer which doesn't have a Raw viewer installed. The (basic)JPEG is also useful for web uploads but not much of anything else. Norm > "The D200 accepts CompactFlash and Microdrive, and allows you to shoot in > various JPEG modes, in NEF (Nikon's raw file format) or with NEF+JPEG in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > comments from users allways helps? Maybe I can get it right the first time > with a few suggestions!! I shoot RAW plus fine jpeg with low contrast settings. This lets me download & sort the jpegs before wasting time downloading raw and I usually don't use raw, just keep the best in case or if they need adjustment due to mistakes. No one has hit upon one serious issue with RAW+JPG...the JPG is made based on the camera settings, while the RAW can be easily manipulated...I have found also that sharpness and focus issues are drastically different....for example the in camera JPG's are not as sharp, or seem to be more soft as in some things look out of focus...Then I look at the NEF which is much sharper with the same settings. This works great with custom curves to get your JPGs perfect....This is with my D2X. JR > No one has hit upon one serious issue with RAW+JPG...the JPG is made > based on the camera settings, while the RAW can be easily [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > settings. This works great with custom curves to get your JPGs > perfect....This is with my D2X. I've found the same thing with the Nikon D80 where the RAW files retained more fine detail than the in-camera JPGs. Some reviews of the D80 have been less than stellar because the JPG images were often from in the camera, not converted RAW files, and image quality suffered slightly. When taking simple snapshots, I used to use JPG because it's quick and easy to print off a dozen photos. But in the last few months I've become much more accustomed to RAW conversion, so even if I don't need high quality I shoot RAW anyway. |
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