Hi,
I post a lot of images on my web site. Now, as far as I know, web
browsers don't do any colour management. Assuming a properly calibrated
monitor, can anyone suggest what I should be doing to make sure my
images, as displayed, are reasonably close to my intent?
Right now, I'm developing my RAWs to sRGB, which is ok, but not perfect
-- an sRGB image viewed in Firefox looks different than the same image
viewed in, say, Photoshop. On some images, the difference is
irrelevant, but on others, I've been disappointed by the browser's
rendering. I don't expect perfection, but is there any way to apply
some sort of 'null' profile to an image so that a non-colour-managed
app on a calibrated monitor displays the 'right' thing? Put another
way: what's the recommended way to export an image for web viewing?
- Darryl
jeremy - 03 Jan 2007 15:44 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> - Darryl
sRGB is the way to go. Adobe's proprietary RGB has, theoretically, the
ability to compress more colors into the same space, but it requires special
software to display properly. Any misstep, and your reds and magentas will
look really dingy by comparison. Are you absolutely certain that you were
not saving in Adobe RGB at any point in your workflow? That might account
for less-than-expected results.
Lionel - 06 Jan 2007 04:49 GMT
>sRGB is the way to go.
Yep, that's correct. Unless colour-management is specified, current
OSes assume that everything is in sRGB colour space, (as do most print
service, BTW), so outputting to sRGB will give you the best looking
images in un-colour-managed software.
> Adobe's proprietary RGB has, theoretically, the
>ability to compress more colors into the same space, but it requires special
>software to display properly. Any misstep, and your reds and magentas will
>look really dingy by comparison. Are you absolutely certain that you were
>not saving in Adobe RGB at any point in your workflow? That might account
>for less-than-expected results.
<nods> IME, Adobe '98 RGB processed images usually look very dull &
washed out in non-colour-managed software. I normally create an sRGB
version of any images I wish to use for websites, etc.
Derek Fountain - 04 Jan 2007 11:20 GMT
> I post a lot of images on my web site. Now, as far as I know, web
> browsers don't do any colour management. Assuming a properly calibrated
> monitor, can anyone suggest what I should be doing to make sure my
> images, as displayed, are reasonably close to my intent?
Since you don't have any control over the destination viewing conditions
you can't assert your intentions. The best you can do is ensure the
image looks OK without colour management on your monitor, or on the
"typical" monitor. What it will *actually* look like on the user's
monitor is anyone's guess.
Stick with sRGB, then I think your options are a) soft proof with the
profile set to Monitor RGB, which will show you how the image looks on
your monitor without colour management; b) soft proof with the profile
set to Windows/Mac RGB, which will show you how the image looks on the
typical Windows or Mac monitor; c) if you're using Save for Web, click
the "Preview in..." button before saving to ensure it looks as you wish
in the browser; d) turn off colour management in the Color Settings dialog.

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madhobbit.geo@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2007 14:19 GMT
> The best you can do is ensure the
> image looks OK without colour management on your monitor, or on the
> "typical" monitor. What it will *actually* look like on the user's
> monitor is anyone's guess.
Yes, because my monitor is *not* a typical monitor. In my experience,
uncalibrated monitors tend to lose shadow detail very quickly. If it
looks fine on my monitor, I'm happy, because then I can say that I've
done all I can.
> Stick with sRGB, then I think your options are a) soft proof with the
> profile set to Monitor RGB, which will show you how the image looks on
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> the "Preview in..." button before saving to ensure it looks as you wish
> in the browser; d) turn off colour management in the Color Settings dialog.
What I've been doing is saving as sRGB, and then looking at the images
in either Irfanview or Firefox (neither of which support colour
management, as far as I know). Discrepencies haven't been major, so
this isn't a serious problem -- I've just been wondering what the
generally accepted best practices are for this situation.
Thanks for the suggestions,
- Darryl
bmoag - 04 Jan 2007 15:33 GMT
You can control what you post on your website but not how it is seen or
displayed.
Chuck - 05 Jan 2007 16:35 GMT
Assuming that your monitor is "calibrated correctly, sRGB is the standard
for web applications.
Photoshop si usually set by defaut to use Adobe's wider color space. This
should produce different results when an sRGB image is used.
> Hi,
>
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>
> - Darryl
Mardon - 05 Jan 2007 23:30 GMT
> I post a lot of images on my web site. Now, as far as I know, web
> browsers don't do any colour management. Assuming a properly calibrated
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> way: what's the recommended way to export an image for web viewing?
> - Darryl
I am NOT anything close to a color expert, so believe what your read here
at your own risk! :)
IMHO an embedded color profile like sRGB makes no difference whatsoever to
a non-color-aware program like web browsers. I also think that most
aspects of "correctly calibrating" a monitor deal only with building a
monitor profile that allows colour aware applications to display the
correct color within that color-aware application software. For non-color-
aware applications like web browsers, the only two parts of monitor
calibration that affect the appearence of images are the white point
setting and the gamma. The rest of the calibration process is useless for
non-color-managed applications.
I believe that the reason two images may look different in two different
browsers on the same computer has to do with how the browsers handle the
dithering required to get images to match the browser's color palette. I
don't think it has anything to do with embedded color profiles. Internet
Explorer has a 212 color palette. Netscape has a 216 color palette. Each
browser has its own color palette. When browsers encounter colors in an
image that are not available in the browser's palette, then the browser
dithers the image to make it match the available palette. If the image
that you post to your web site has already been converted to the Internet
Explorer color palette, then people who look at it using IE will not see
different colors do to dithering. Even if you do this pre-conversion,
people using other brands of browsers will still see imges that have been
dithered to match the color palette of their browser. And of course, their
monitors may still have a different gamma setting and a different white
point. There is nothing you can do about these things. There is no
"correct" white point, although 6500K is very common and most PCs use a
gamma of 2.2 but makes generally use gamma 1.8.
Anyway, that's my 2¢.
Mardon - 06 Jan 2007 00:15 GMT
Mardon <mgb72mgb@hotmail.com> wrote:
An after thought for clarification. If you are working in a color-managed
workspace that is non-sRGB, like if Adobe RGB were your workspace in PS,
and then you save an image with no profile or with the Adobe RGB profile
embedded, then it certainly will look incorrect in a non-color managed
application. It doesn't sound like this is what you are doing but I wanted
to acknowledge that changing profiles without doing a conversion from one
to the other, will definitely mess things up.
Andrew Haley - 09 Jan 2007 15:56 GMT
>> I post a lot of images on my web site. Now, as far as I know, web
>> browsers don't do any colour management. Assuming a properly calibrated
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> way: what's the recommended way to export an image for web viewing?
>> - Darryl
> I am NOT anything close to a color expert, so believe what your read here
> at your own risk! :)
> IMHO an embedded color profile like sRGB makes no difference whatsoever to
> a non-color-aware program like web browsers. I also think that most
> aspects of "correctly calibrating" a monitor deal only with building a
> monitor profile that allows colour aware applications to display the
> correct color within that color-aware application software.
No, not necessarily. Good monitor calibration can set the monitor
itself to a known standard, so that sRGB images displayed in colour
managed software (like photoshop) and web browsers don't look much
different.
> For non-color- aware applications like web browsers, the only two
> parts of monitor calibration that affect the appearence of images
> are the white point setting and the gamma.
There's the dark end of the scale as well, but that's basically
correct.
Andrew.