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jazu - 31 Dec 2006 01:12 GMT
Hi
When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with parameters in
your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?
John McWilliams - 31 Dec 2006 01:17 GMT
> Hi
> When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with parameters in
> your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?

Yes.

<s>

But that's accurate: There are times for both, and times for either,
even times for neither.

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Scott W - 31 Dec 2006 01:23 GMT
> Hi
> When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with parameters in
> your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?

I pretty much leave it for raw processing.  I have played with
parameters just to see what the camera can do with jpegs, but I have no
interest in shooting in jpeg mode so changing the parameters has little
to offer me.

Scott
Marc Sabatella - 31 Dec 2006 01:23 GMT
> When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with
> parameters in your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?

RAW processing cannot change aperture, shutter speed, ISO, or flash
output, so if you care about there things, there i no choice but to set
them in camera.

Settings for sharpness, contrast, saturation, and so forth can
definitely be fiddled with after the fact.  Easier with RAW than with
JPG, but doable either way.  I can't imagine wanting to mess with these
in camera once set.

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Adrian Boliston - 31 Dec 2006 02:25 GMT
>> When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with parameters
>> in your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?
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> either way.  I can't imagine wanting to mess with these in camera once
> set.

White balance can be fine tuned in software (capture nx) later, but I still
try and set the approximate value in camera (eg incandescent, sunny, cloudy,
shade etc) so that the picture looks reasonable in preview (nikon view).
The other in camera settings that seem to work best with my d70s are: Colour
Mode IIIa, sharpness high, contrast low, saturation medium, but these can of
course be fine tuned in software later, but the less fine tuning the better!

cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk
Marc Sabatella - 31 Dec 2006 17:24 GMT
>> RAW processing cannot change aperture, shutter speed, ISO, or flash
>> output, so if you care about there things, there i no choice but to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> sunny, cloudy, shade etc) so that the picture looks reasonable in
> preview (nikon view).

I should hav mentioned that as the one exception - something that *can*
be done in RAW processing, but is often better to do in camera.
Especially if you are using manual WB of course.  And if you're shooting
JPG, its probably the hardest of these to correct later.

> The other in camera settings that seem to work best with my d70s are:
> Colour Mode IIIa, sharpness high, contrast low, saturation medium, but
> these can of course be fine tuned in software later, but the less fine
> tuning the better!

Definitely.  I take it as a given you'd set up the camera the way you
like so that the defualt pictures look good.  I took the question to
mean, are people fiddling with these things on a shot by shot basis.

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Adrian Boliston - 31 Dec 2006 17:39 GMT
>> The other in camera settings that seem to work best with my d70s are:
>> Colour Mode IIIa, sharpness high, contrast low, saturation medium, but
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> so that the defualt pictures look good.  I took the question to mean, are
> people fiddling with these things on a shot by shot basis.

When I was new to DSLR photography there was some "expert" website that
suggested maxing out the in-camera colour saturation settings on the D70s,
and I spent a while wondering why all my pictures looked quite unnatural!

cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk
Matt Clara - 31 Dec 2006 03:05 GMT
> Hi
> When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with parameters in
> your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?

I dial in exposure compensation when needed.
Gautam Majumdar - 31 Dec 2006 07:38 GMT
> Hi
> When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with parameters
> in your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?

Parameters apply only to jpeg; they have no effect on the raw format. So,
on rare occasions when I shoot in jpeg, I fiddle with the parameters
(contrast, sharpness, saturation) and specially with the white balance
setting (strictly speaking not a parameter). Even for raw, I adjust WB if
necessary, so that I need to make less changes at the time of conversion.

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Marc Sabatella - 31 Dec 2006 17:27 GMT
> Parameters apply only to jpeg; they have no effect on the raw format.

That's not necesarily true.  They won't affect the sensor data itself,
of course, but most cameras do record the settings of the various
processing parameters in the file, and most RAW procesisng software will
look at them in deciding how to process the image when it displays or
converts it - at least, until you override those settings.

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achilleaslazarides@yahoo.co.uk - 31 Dec 2006 18:28 GMT
> > Parameters apply only to jpeg; they have no effect on the raw format.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> look at them in deciding how to process the image when it displays or
> converts it - at least, until you override those settings.

Well, for my D200 at least, ACR, Capture 1, Silkypix, Raw Magick Lite,
rawshooter, Bibble and dcraw all ignore all camera jpeg settings except
white balance. Only nikon capture does take them into account. So to
say that most converters take them into account is inaccurate in this
case. Maybe these converters do take them into account for other
cameras, I don't know.

Frankly, I prefer it that they don't anyway.
Gautam Majumdar - 31 Dec 2006 18:36 GMT
>> Parameters apply only to jpeg; they have no effect on the raw format.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> look at them in deciding how to process the image when it displays or
> converts it - at least, until you override those settings.

I agree that some converters, specially camera specific ones like DPP,
use camera settings to show the initial image. I forgot that as I use
ufraw, which completely ignores any camera settings other than WB.


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Paul Furman - 02 Jan 2007 21:03 GMT
> Hi
> When you guys are out there shooting photos do you play with parameters in
> your camera or do you leave it for RAW processing?

I turn down all the contrast, staturation and sharpening for jpegs and
shoot raw also. It's easy to boost saturation & sharpen a jpeg and often
the raw isn't needed.
 
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