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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / December 2006New Nikon D200 model next year?
Hello! Does anyone think, that Nikon will bring a D200s or even a completely new model out next year, or will the D200 still be the best buy for a semiprofessional user one more year? MAL (Denmark) > Hello! > Does anyone think, that Nikon will bring a D200s or even a completely new > model out next year, or will the D200 still be the best buy for a > semiprofessional user one more year? > > MAL (Denmark) There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating on finally developing a top of the line pro model. > There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating on finally > developing a top of the line pro model. Will the "top of the line pro model" be full-frame? Peace, -chasfs http://chasfs.com >> There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating on >> finally >> developing a top of the line pro model. > > Will the "top of the line pro model" be full-frame? Nikon is still developing non-DX lenses. We must presume that these are intended for use on some sort of camera. :-) Okay, Thom Hogan seems to think that there will be a D3h, a DX size sensor camera oriented toward sports photographers, and a D3x, a large sensor camera for pros. I would hope for the D3x, at least (since I don't shoot sports -- but then, I am not a pro, either :-) ). >Okay, Thom Hogan seems to think that there will be a D3h, a DX size sensor >camera oriented toward sports photographers, and a D3x, a large sensor camera >for pros. So sports photographers are not pros? You learn something new every day. ;-) >> Okay, Thom Hogan seems to think that there will be a D3h, a DX size sensor >> camera oriented toward sports photographers, and a D3x, a large sensor [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;-) LOL. Didn't mean to say that, but it reminds me of the old joke: What do they call a guy who hangs around musicians? The drummer. > The drummer. On the C-130 the electrical system has 2 essential DC busses, 1 essential AC bus and 1 non-essential bus. What's the non-essential bus for? To drive the navigator to the airplane. >> There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating on >> finally >> developing a top of the line pro model. > > Will the "top of the line pro model" be full-frame? Anything is "full frame" for a given definition of frame. The only thing you might call "full" for photography would be a 6x6cm frame, which is the largest that was ever commonly available and mass produced. I seriously doubt Nikon will make anything like that. >>> There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating >>> on finally [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > frame, which is the largest that was ever commonly available and mass > produced. I seriously doubt Nikon will make anything like that. Full frame in this case refers to the standard size of 35mm film. Lenses that are not otherwise specified for cropped-size sensors are designed to project dtheir image onto the full-frame area of 35mm film. So...in this case, it's not some nebulous imponderable as you suggest.  SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>> There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating on finally developing a top of the line pro model. >> >> Will the "top of the line pro model" be full-frame? > Anything is "full frame" for a given definition of frame. Correct... > The only thing you might call "full" for photography would be a 6x6cm frame, which is the largest that was ever commonly available > and mass produced. > I seriously doubt Nikon will make anything like that. Huh??? Tell that to all the users of Speed Graphic and other cameras of many makes and types in 4x5 - and the many 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 roll/sheet film cameras. And, BTW, Nikon made the first circular fisheye, and guess what it fit (not 35mm, though the camera it fit was rare...;-). -- David Ruether DRuether@twcny.rr.com rpn1@cornell.edu http://www.ferrario.com/ruether >> There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating on finally >> developing a top of the line pro model. > > Will the "top of the line pro model" be full-frame? No Unless Nikon redesigns the lensmount or mirror box, as the current design is a little to cramped for a "full-frame" sensor, unless someone changes the current CCD/CMOS design in regards to all the leads. >Unless Nikon redesigns the lensmount or mirror box, as the current >design is a little to cramped for a "full-frame" sensor, unless someone >changes the current CCD/CMOS design in regards to all the leads. Yeah right. Nikon lenses work well on Canon's full frame bodies, but they would suddenly fail to work on full frame body with a Nikon mount? SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >>> There might be a D200s, but it appears that Nikon is concentrating on >>> finally [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > design is a little to cramped for a "full-frame" sensor, unless someone > changes the current CCD/CMOS design in regards to all the leads. Kodak has done a full frame dSLR for f-mount. Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. > Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question > concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. That also a relevant question to ask as one tries to figure out why Canon is cooking Nikon's professional goose. Nikon's fate is largely out of their own hands. Canon follows its own path because it can do so at will, rather than hoping another company will agree to make the sensors to their liking. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > > Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question > > concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > own hands. Canon follows its own path because it can do so at will, rather > than hoping another company will agree to make the sensors to their liking. You are normally wiser than to bite on the above concise, but inaccurate drivel. I would expect more even from a dedicated Canonista such as yourself. Perhaps the research I suggested bmoag do is appropriate for your enlightenment as well. Bob >>> Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question >>> concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > do is appropriate for your enlightenment as well. > Bob So you believe that Sony DOESN'T make the sensor in the D200, for example? SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>>> Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question >>>> concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > So you believe that Sony DOESN'T make the sensor in the D200, for > example? Just in case you really don't know... SONY does indeed make the sensor used in the Nikon D200...among others. So what I wrote above is quite true. Nikon is NOT in complete control as a result. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > >>>> Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question > >>>> concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > So what I wrote above is quite true. Nikon is NOT in complete control as a > result. I certainly wouldn't want to get into a discussion here as to "who's got the biggest one" as I have an aversion to seeing full grown men cry. However, my argument was re the comment above which says "sensors" indicating a plurality of models. That is in error as the D2H and D2Hs do not use Sony designed or manufactured sensors indicating Nikon does, in fact, have the in-house capability. Whether or not they choose to use it in other models is a moot point as the indicators were they didn't have the capability, being in COMPLETE control notwithstanding. In my opinion that puts QED to the point, you may well disagree, however, it doesn't change the facts. Bob >That is in error as the D2H and D2Hs do not use Sony >designed or manufactured sensors indicating Nikon does, in fact, have the >in-house capability. Although Nikon may have had an input to their design, the sensors in the D2H, D2Hs and D2X are all manufactured by Sony. Official. > >That is in error as the D2H and D2Hs do not use Sony > >designed or manufactured sensors indicating Nikon does, in fact, have the > >in-house capability. > > Although Nikon may have had an input to their design, the sensors in > the D2H, D2Hs and D2X are all manufactured by Sony. Official. With the D2X and D2Xs we are all familiar and agree. However, once again Tony in the case of the D2H and D2Hs, proof in the form of a reference URL is required, or are we into the area of your "magazine covers" believability BS. I suspect the latter but will anxiously await your proof. Bob >> >That is in error as the D2H and D2Hs do not use Sony >> >designed or manufactured sensors indicating Nikon does, in fact, have [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I suspect the latter but will anxiously await your proof. > Bob Suck it sideways, Bob: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2h/ [From Dec, 2003] JFET LBCAST sensor Nikon's new JFET (Junction Field Effect Transistor) LBCAST (Lateral Buried Charge Accumulator and Sensing Transistor array) sensor appears to be similar to CMOS technology but achieves higher speed data transfer allowing the camera's impressive eight frames per second shooting rate. Nikon claim it has: a.. Instant Startup b.. Higher Speed c.. Higher Resolution d.. Lower Power Consumption e.. Low Noise (Minimal Dark Noise) A little digging returned the following facts: a.. The sensor was designed and developed solely by Nikon b.. Research and development into this type of sensor started ten years ago c.. The sensor has a 3-T (three transistor) design compared to Canon's 4-T (four transistor) CMOS sensor d.. It is an X-Y Address-type Sensor with noise-cancelling functions e.. The sensor uses JFET's instead of MOSFET's (CMOS normal) in the cell amps f.. The sensor has microlenses and a low pass filter g.. The sensor does not have an electronic shutter (requires a mechanical shutter) >>> >That is in error as the D2H and D2Hs do not use Sony >>> >designed or manufactured sensors indicating Nikon does, in fact, have [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > g.. The sensor does not have an electronic shutter (requires a mechanical > shutter) Suck it yourself, Mat!!. Since you've taken up the role of Tony's spokesperson, I'm still waiting for his "Official" confirmed reference that the sensors in the D2H, and D2Hs are ALL manufactured by Sony, with Nikon having "input" to the design. Your reference to the above DPReview 2003 article adds nothing to the facts already well known. Oh, yes have a Merry Christmas! Bob >>That is in error as the D2H and D2Hs do not use Sony >>designed or manufactured sensors indicating Nikon does, in fact, have the >>in-house capability. > > Although Nikon may have had an input to their design, the sensors in > the D2H, D2Hs and D2X are all manufactured by Sony. Official. According to DPReview, the D2H/Hs sensors are made by Nikon (JFET.) They list the mfr of the D3X's sensor as "unknown," indicating, to me, that the mfr is probably Sony...but that is purely speculation on my part. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm >According to DPReview, the D2H/Hs sensors are made by Nikon (JFET.) They >list the mfr of the D3X's sensor as "unknown," indicating, to me, that the >mfr is probably Sony...but that is purely speculation on my part. Hey Skip! I'm not surprised hat the manufacturer of the D3X's sensor is "unknown." We don't even know the specs yet of that sensor, or when that camera will be announced or the selling price. Vater Kodak >>According to DPReview, the D2H/Hs sensors are made by Nikon (JFET.) They >>list the mfr of the D3X's sensor as "unknown," indicating, to me, that the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Vater Kodak Heheheh, oops. Finger/typing action seems to be independent of brain's input. Of course, I meant D2X... Seriously, though, Sony's entrance into the DSLR field may be the impetus for Nikon to push harder for their own sensors, designed and manufactured either by themselves or by a non-competitor, like FillFactory or Phillips. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm >>>>> Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question >>>>> concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > So what I wrote above is quite true. Nikon is NOT in complete control as a > result. The replacement for the D200 could well have a Fuji SuperCCD. There are persistant hints that Fuji will buy Nikon. I was surprised that Hoya and Pentax are merging, but seeing how they are both glass foundries it makes sense. While the D80 does indeed have a few familiar characteristics of the D200, it is by NO means a replacement, nor compensation for having a D200. The speed, feature set, build and exposure system are a distinct step up. Having used a D80 for a week, and then upgrading to a D200 I can certainly tell you there is some considerable difference. If all you do is family pics, and static landscapes, the D80 will likely meet your needs. If you are doing weddings, special events, moving targets (birds in flight, race cars, dirt bikes in motion) the D200 will certainly serve better. Also having the body in outdoor environs that are less than hospitable, the D200 also is superior. For those trekking in mountains, or to Africa safari's, or even photojournalists.......the D200 still serves in a superior fashion. For the general masses the D80 will no doubt meet their needs.....this is the target audience it was designed for as well..... >> Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question >> concerns what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > own hands. Canon follows its own path because it can do so at will, rather > than hoping another company will agree to make the sensors to their liking. But when I look at sales, I haven't sold a Canon 5D for a long time, I did sell 3 Canon 1DS mkII last summer. The customer's are buying Nikon D40, XTi, K10D, D80, and D200. I sold the first 30D in a long time this week and the Canonites are waiting for the 50D to be announced Q1 of 2007. > Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question concerns > what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. Since you seem to be a wealth of information which you pass off as being Gospel, I'll not break your bubble by breaking the news to you that Nikon does, in fact, manufacture its own sensor. Does the JFET image sensor LBCAST ring a bell at all? You might want to do some research prior to issuing the above pontification. Bob > Since Nikon does not make its own sensors the relevant question concerns > what Sony (perhaps Kodak?) is developing. http://www.bythom.com/2005dreamdslrs.htm Doc >Hello! >Does anyone think, that Nikon will bring a D200s or even a completely new >model out next year, or will the D200 still be the best buy for a >semiprofessional user one more year? The Canon EOS 5D is probably the perfect "best buy" for a "semiprofessional user". The Nikon D200 competes with the Canon EOS 30D, the Sony Alpha A100 and the Pentax K10D. All are cameras for the keen amateur user and opinions vary as to which is the "best buy". Currently, the Pentax K10D is the best selling DSLR in Japan and would sell even more if Pentax could make them. > The Canon EOS 5D is probably the perfect "best buy" for a > "semiprofessional user". [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Currently, the Pentax K10D is the best selling DSLR in Japan and would > sell even more if Pentax could make them. Hello again! For me the D200 is the best option as I have ten lenses for Nikon already. Today I am using the D70s, but early next year I would like to buy a new camera. That is why I am interested in the D200 and would like to know if anybody has heard anything about a new model in this segement. Mikael >Hello again! >For me the D200 is the best option as I have ten lenses for Nikon already. The D200 is almost definitely the *best option* for you, given that you have ten AF Nikkors, but you might also wish to consider the D80. It also has 10 MP, and if you need/wish to upgrade to a later model you won't have invested quite so much money in it. The question is, do you really need what the D200 offers over the D80? > The question is, do you really need what the D200 offers over the D80? In your opinion what would be good reasons to choose the D200 instead of the D80? MAL You might as well go for D80 over a D200 both camaers will be worth next to nothng in a couple of years time ..use the extra money to buy new glass and enjoy >> The question is, do you really need what the D200 offers over the D80? >> > In your opinion what would be good reasons to choose the D200 instead of > the D80? > > MAL > You might as well go for D80 over a D200 both camaers will be worth next > to nothng in a couple of years time ..use the extra money to buy new > glass and enjoy For me a camera is valuable as long as it takes good pictures, works properly and fits my needs as a photographer. I have used my D70s for a little more than a year now, and I still like to work with it even if several new cameras have better data. I want to have another camera because in some situations it is nice to be able to use two lenses without changing on the camera. That is why I consider buying the D200. In my opinion it seems to be a much better camera than the D80 wich also has some other minuses: It i smaller than my D70s wich I do not like and it uses SD Cards and nok CF Cards like the D70s and the D200. Besides all the test that I have read the D200 is a better camera in several ways compared to the D80. MAL >> The question is, do you really need what the D200 offers over the D80? >> >In your opinion what would be good reasons to choose the D200 instead of the >D80? It is your money, so you should make the decision. Compare them, see where they differ, then decide whether what the D200 offers over the D80 is worth the extra cash. >> The question is, do you really need what the D200 offers over the D80? >> > In your opinion what would be good reasons to choose the D200 instead of > the D80? > > MAL The D200's weather sealing and magnesium alloy body suggests durability on par with Nikon's most ruggedly built cameras, which are considered by most to be the most rugged in the industry. Additionally, the D200 offers mirror lockup, and it can mount and meter AI lenses. If you feel you can live without those, but need 10 megapixels, the D80 is probably fine. If you don't need 10 megapixels, the D70s is a more feature rich camera than the D80. > "MAL" <mikaellaursen @ bpanet.dk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > probably fine. If you don't need 10 megapixels, the D70s is a more feature > rich camera than the D80. The D200's sturdy metal body suggests they won't be replacing the design right away and that it's built to last a while... probably an upgrade D200s. The advantages over a D80 are more manual controls, buttons & knobs on the outside, more fps, probably faster AF, CF cards, full compatibility with older lenses. > The advantages over a D80 are more manual controls, buttons & knobs on > the outside You mean on the D80, the buttons and knobs are on the inside? >>The advantages over a D80 are more manual controls, buttons & knobs on >>the outside > > You mean on the D80, the buttons and knobs are on the inside? You have to go to the menus for a few more things with the D80 rather than the external knobs on a D200. It has made me more inclined to fiddle with things compared to my old D70 and it's quicker out in the field with changing conditions, etc. Nikon well its about market pressure.. why would they want a full frame DSLR when they can sell us new bodies every 2 years and a new crop of digital lens. besides its what ver sensor they can lay their hands on. They do have serious competition .. and very irate users who have nikon lens for 35mm waiting for a cheap full frame DSLR. > Hello! > Does anyone think, that Nikon will bring a D200s or even a completely new > model out next year, or will the D200 still be the best buy for a > semiprofessional user one more year? > > MAL (Denmark) |
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