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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / December 2006Canon Lenses - Digital/Film
I am about to purchase a Canon Digital Rebel XTi for my business, and part of the decision depends upon my ability to use the Canon EF "L" series lenses that I already have from my EOS film camera. While shopping on Amazon, I saw references to to lenses being "for Canon SLR cameras" or "for Canon DSLR cameras." What exactly is this saying? Are lenses for Canon EOS film SLR cameras able to be used with the DSLR's, or not? Thanks, Gregory > I am about to purchase a Canon Digital Rebel XTi for my business, and > part of the decision depends upon my ability to use the Canon EF "L" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > saying? Are lenses for Canon EOS film SLR cameras able to be used with > the DSLR's, or not? All EOS lenses can be used on all Canon DSLRs; you are good to go. [The lenses with the designation "S" in them can be used only on the Rebel series, the 20D, and perhaps the 10D.]  SignatureJohn McWilliams >> I am about to purchase a Canon Digital Rebel XTi for my business, and >> part of the decision depends upon my ability to use the Canon EF "L" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >[The lenses with the designation "S" in them can be used only on the >Rebel series, the 20D, and perhaps the 10D.] That's what I was hoping to hear. Thanks. Gregory >>> I am about to purchase a Canon Digital Rebel XTi for my business, and >>> part of the decision depends upon my ability to use the Canon EF "L" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That's what I was hoping to hear. Thanks. You also got a reply in another photo group that Scott wrote. Signaturejohn mcwilliams >You also got a reply in another photo group that Scott wrote. I saw it. Thanks. Gregory >> [The lenses with the designation "S" in them can be used only on the >> Rebel series, the 20D, and perhaps the 10D.] No, EF-S Lenses will not work on the EOS 10D. > No, EF-S Lenses will not work on the EOS 10D. This is one of the reasons I prefer the Nikon "system", where if you have one or more different Nikon digital bodies at least they will work with all Nikon AF lenses. I would not wish to have a collection of lenses only to find that switching bodies makes some of them unusable. The new D40 is an exception to this rule as it will not autofocus with many AF lenses, but it seems this is marketed more at the p&s user rather than serious hobbyists. Cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk >> No, EF-S Lenses will not work on the EOS 10D. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > exception to this rule as it will not autofocus with many AF lenses, but it > seems this is marketed more at the p&s user rather than serious hobbyists. Except that Canon did it long ago (in digital SLR time!) and now has 5 or so lower end bodies for which this one clearly designated lens series fits to, how is it different? SignatureJohn McWilliams > This is one of the reasons I prefer the Nikon "system", where if you > have one or more different Nikon digital bodies at least they will > work with all Nikon AF lenses. You obviously aren't aware that Nikon have a wide range of variations on their mount with many lenses only being fully usable on some cameras. Basically there are 3 different ways of setting the lens aperture, 2 different ways of auto-focusing the lens and lenses that cover full frame 35mm and others that don't. Low end bodies often only support the later methods, so earlier lenses won't work as they were originally intended. All nominally with the same mount! The reason the D40 only works with some lenses is that it doesn't have an in-camera focus motor, so non-HSM lenses can't be auto-focused. Other low end Nikon bodies didn't support the older ways of reading the lens aperture setting, so exposure metering didn't work with those lenses. This has improved a little with bodies like the D200, but still the only true guarantee that you'll be able to use almost all Nikon mount lenses as they are meant to be used is to buy an expensive D2h or D2x body. Canon OTOH have just EF lenses and EF-S lenses, and they are designed so you can't mount an EF-S lens on a camera which only takes EF lenses, and all cameras which take EF-S lenses will also take all EF lenses. Yes, I know they won't mount older FD lenses without a severely compromised adaptor, but at least they don't go around claiming that they have always had the same lens mount while continually adding extra things to it like Nikon and Pentax. > > This is one of the reasons I prefer the Nikon "system", where if you > > have one or more different Nikon digital bodies at least they will [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > they have always had the same lens mount while continually adding extra > things to it like Nikon and Pentax. Yes, with Nikon, the lenses will mount and they "will work" (as BoomBoom said above) variations from body to body notwithstanding. And the Lens Mount is "the same" as Nikon indicates, in that "normal use" lenses will mount. Nikon specifically points out what the usability of the lens' "feature set" is with each specific body model. Even the usability of the rare "special use" lenses are pointed out plainly. Bob >>> This is one of the reasons I prefer the Nikon "system", where if you >>> have one or more different Nikon digital bodies at least they will [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > the rare "special use" lenses are pointed out plainly. > Bob I didn't comment on Nikon lenses and compatibility, Derek wrote that post. My post was in reference to the EOS-10D not accepting EF-S lenses. I don't think there is much confusion with regard to Canon lenses and compatibility, the 20D-30D line and the Rebel series will most likely both continue to accept EF-S and EF lenses, all other current Canons will accept EF mount lenses. The 10D was not designed with EF-S lenses in mind, so an EF-S lens will not physically mount. My guess is that it (the 10D) has a full size mirror, but that is purely a guess on my part. > I didn't comment on Nikon lenses and compatibility, Derek wrote that > post. My post was in reference to the EOS-10D not accepting EF-S lenses. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not physically mount. My guess is that it (the 10D) has a full size > mirror, but that is purely a guess on my part. Correct, the 10D (and D60 and D30) has essentially a full sized mirror mount, if not mirror. The short back focus EF-S line of lenses can (but do not have to) place a lens inside the arc of motion of a full size mirror. The EF-S specification allows for the use of area inside the mirror box. In the EF specification that area is precluded from use by any portion of the lens. C! With Canon, yes you can use the EF and E lenses but there is one big difference, the E lenses won't mount macro rings. The EF will. Harry Harry; > > > This is one of the reasons I prefer the Nikon "system", where if you > > > have one or more different Nikon digital bodies at least they will [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > the rare "special use" lenses are pointed out plainly. > Bob > With Canon, yes you can use the EF and E lenses but there is one big > difference, the E lenses won't mount macro rings. The EF will. > > Harry "E" lenses? What are "E" lenses? Canon currently produces EF and EF-S lenses, and, as far as I know, there is no problem mounting macro rings on an EF-S lens, since the front of the lens is pretty standard. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm >> With Canon, yes you can use the EF and E lenses but there is one big >> difference, the E lenses won't mount macro rings. The EF will. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lenses, and, as far as I know, there is no problem mounting macro rings on > an EF-S lens, since the front of the lens is pretty standard. I think he means extension rings, most of which have the EF mount, which means they won't allow an EF-S lens to mount on the ring. There are some like Kenko rings which are made for EF-S lenses, but you have to check before you buy. Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> With Canon, yes you can use the EF and E lenses but there is one big >>> difference, the E lenses won't mount macro rings. The EF will. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Colin D. Ah, I thought he meant the add on macro lenses that go on the front of the lens. You make more sense, the extension rings sounds right. But he's making it sound like E lenses are a separate type, like EF and EF-S. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm > I think he means extension rings, most of which have the EF mount, which > means they won't allow an EF-S lens to mount on the ring. There are some > like Kenko rings which are made for EF-S lenses, but you have to check > before you buy. The Canon EF 12 II and EF 25 II extension tubes both take EF and EF-S lenses but many 3rd party ones do not. The original (non II) Canon tubes do not take EF-S lenses. Actually this is a good way to use your EF-S lenses on a film or FF camera. The EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM macro lens will cover a full frame even at f/2.8 on a 12mm extension tube. It makes a pretty good macro lens for full frame that way as well. Of course it is only macro that way but all of the lens electronics work correctly on my Elan IIe. The EF-S 18-55 will also cover a full frame with the 25mm tube or at longer focal lengths on the 12mm tube. The 17-85 does not cover however. >> No, EF-S Lenses will not work on the EOS 10D. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > but it seems this is marketed more at the p&s user rather than serious > hobbyists. Then, with the Canon system, do not buy the 1.6 crop specific EF-S lenses. All EOS cameras, including the most recent digitals, will mount, and correctly operate, all EF lenses produced since 1987. This really is no different than trying to mount a Nikon DX series lens on a full frame film camera. You would not do it, it would result in dark corners or edges. Vignetting would be severe. Canon simply took the extra step of making it not possible by adjusting the position and shape of the flange index tabs so that you can not mount an EF-S lens on a non-EF-S compatible body. True, the Nikon system would allow you to mount a DX lens on a film camera, but it would not result in nice images. C! > No, EF-S Lenses will not work on the EOS 10D. Unless you get your hacksaw out ! http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/tutorials/efs-10d.html >> No, EF-S Lenses will not work on the EOS 10D. > > Unless you get your hacksaw out ! > > http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/tutorials/efs-10d.html Now can you do that to the 10-22mm (and would you?) Jay Beckman Chandler, AZ www.pbase.com/flyingphotog > I am about to purchase a Canon Digital Rebel XTi for my business, and > part of the decision depends upon my ability to use the Canon EF "L" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > saying? Are lenses for Canon EOS film SLR cameras able to be used with > the DSLR's, or not? The EOS lenses for Canon's film cameras work fine on their digitals. The ones made specifically for APS-C digitals, however, do not for the most part work on the film cameras or the full-frame digitals. > Thanks, > > Gregory Signature--John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > *From:* "J. Clarke" <Jclarke.usenet@cox.net> > *Date:* 19 Dec 2006 18:30:17 GMT [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ones made specifically for APS-C digitals, however, do not for the > most part work on the film cameras or the full-frame digitals. The EF-S lenses use a different mount to EF lenses. All EF-S mount cameras also take EF lenses, but full frame and film cameras don't have EF-S mounts so won't take EF-S lenses. So they don't just not work, but don't fit! >>*From:* "J. Clarke" <Jclarke.usenet@cox.net> >>*Date:* 19 Dec 2006 18:30:17 GMT [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > EF-S mounts so won't take EF-S lenses. So they don't just not work, but > don't fit! Which is all rather moot, considering that out of Canon's line of 50-some EOS-compatible lenses, only five (judging from a quick glance at canon.ca) are EF-S mount. I don't know if any other third-party manufacturers (your Tamrons and Sigmas and the like) even bother with EF-S. $Which is all rather moot, considering that out of Canon's line of 50-some $EOS-compatible lenses, only five (judging from a quick glance at canon.ca) are $EF-S mount. I don't know if any other third-party manufacturers (your Tamrons $and Sigmas and the like) even bother with EF-S. The third-parties don't bother with EF-S mounts; even the lenses they make which are designed to be usable only on 1.6-crop bodies use the traditional EF mount. The reason for the EF-S mount is twofold. One is to allow Canon to design lenses whose rear elements protrude back inside the camera body, while preventing users from accidentally mounting them on incompatible bodies whose mirrors would end up striking the rear element. The other is to prevent users from accidentally mounting such lenses on 1.3-crop, full-frame digital, or film bodies, where severe vignetting would be caused by the reduced image circle of the smaller-format lens. The first consideration probably doesn't apply to third-party lens manufacturers. These manufacturers can't really design a different lens for each different mount; they design one lens that works with a variety of bodies. On the assumption that some of those other bodies may have mirrors which don't allow as much clearance as is found on Canon's EF-S-compatible bodies, the rear element has to be designed not to protrude into the body. As well, these manufacturers probably also want to sell to people with older Canon bodies (e.g. 10D) which aren't compatible with EF-S lenses. The second consideration does apply, and I guess the third parties aren't as worried as Canon is about upsetting customers who don't do their homework before buying a product. SignatureStephen M. Dunn <stephen@stevedunn.ca> >>>----------------> http://www.stevedunn.ca/ <----------------<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------ Say hi to my cat -- http://www.stevedunn.ca/photos/toby/ >$Which is all rather moot, considering that out of Canon's line of 50-some >$EOS-compatible lenses, only five (judging from a quick glance at canon.ca) are >$EF-S mount. I don't know if any other third-party manufacturers (your Tamrons >$and Sigmas and the like) even bother with EF-S. > The third-parties don't bother with EF-S mounts; even the lenses they >make which are designed to be usable only on 1.6-crop bodies use the >traditional EF mount. > The reason for the EF-S mount is twofold. One is to allow Canon to >design lenses whose rear elements protrude back inside the camera [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >severe vignetting would be caused by the reduced image circle of >the smaller-format lens. > The first consideration probably doesn't apply to third-party >lens manufacturers. These manufacturers can't really design a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >probably also want to sell to people with older Canon bodies (e.g. 10D) >which aren't compatible with EF-S lenses. > The second consideration does apply, and I guess the third parties >aren't as worried as Canon is about upsetting customers who don't do >their homework before buying a product. All that you say is true, except Tokina makes a very nice 12-24mm f/4 lens for Canon that is built for a 1.6 crop factor and can't be used on a full frame Canon (it will mount, it doesn't have the special setup for the S mount) because it will vignette. The reason for this is that it is hard to design a wide angle lens that will cover a (relatively) large sensor. By the way, I love the lens. Signature--- Paul J. Gans >>$Which is all rather moot, considering that out of Canon's line of 50-some >>$EOS-compatible lenses, only five (judging from a quick glance at [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > By the way, I love the lens. I just acquired that lens, and I am rapidly learning to love it. I sold/traded my Canon 17-40 f/4L to get the wider Tokina, and as of now I have no regrets at all. Well, other than the fact that I wish I had tried the Tokina first. |
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