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Canon Rebel XTI/400d, PhotoShop RAW and gretagmacbeth

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John - 15 Dec 2006 00:34 GMT
I don't know which forum to post on so I thought I'd start here.

I'm trying to calibrate my Camera Raw color settings.  I know I don't have a
good eye for color so I bought a gretagmacbeth colorchecker chart.

I have a Canon Rebel XTi/400D with Photoshop Camera Raw 3.6.

I have ACR-Calibrator.js which supports Photoshop CS2 and ACR 3.4.  I haven't
found a version that supports ACR 3.6.

I run the ACR-Calibrator.js script in Photoshop which seems to do a whole
bunch of processing then ends with an error message "Your installed version
of Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) is not supported by ACR Calibrator"

After having beat myself up for most of the day trying to find an alternate
way, I've thrown in the towel. My Photoshop CS2 RAW book by Mikkel Aaland
states in an earlier chapter that color correction will be covered in chapter
10 but it's not. But he does mention gretagmacbeth charts.

Anyway, here's my question:  Since I already have the RGB color values for
each of the 24 colors from gretagmacbeth, is there some way I can just punch
the values in somewhere?
bmoag - 15 Dec 2006 05:55 GMT
I may be missing something:
I do not understand what following this procedure will get you rather than
monitor calibration, color management and, if you can afford it,
calibrations of your particular printer/paper combinations.
Hardware monitor caibration and color managed image processing and printing
is very accurate for most purposes if properly done.
Any photo of a color chart for calibration purposes is only valid to the
particular lighting circumstances under which the image was created.
w.beckley@gmail.com - 15 Dec 2006 11:54 GMT
> I may be missing something:
> I do not understand what following this procedure will get you rather than
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any photo of a color chart for calibration purposes is only valid to the
> particular lighting circumstances under which the image was created.

The purpose of doing this is to ensure that the workflow is calibrated
from camera to digital file, basically the first step of the process.
While it is true that calibrating is *really* only good for the
lighting setup under which the image was made, a calibration using
color-balanced lights (measured with a calibrated color temp meter)
will give you a better starting point for your camera than the built-in
profile. How much better? Not too much, but noticable in my experience.
Most cameras have slight color shifts of their own, and if you've
reason to be anal, you can eliminate them.

Depending on the workflow, this step, along with monitor calibration,
is enough to have a color managed workflow for digital-only images.
Profiling your printer is the next step if you want to go to print.

Obviously, a calibrated monitor is most important, because at least
then you can be confident that what you're seeing is what you've got.
But in some cases it might be important to know that what you saw when
shooting is where you'll start from in post. Shooting ads for
Coca-Cola, for example, where much money is spent ensuring the fidelity
of the red used, would be a time to profile your camera.

True story: Coca-Cola's ad people (for commercials) will come into a
color correction suite with a machine-cut stencil to place over their
own vectorscope (used in the video world to track chroma values).
There's a small hole where "Coca-Cola red" should fall, and they always
check to make certain that it does.

As for the original poster's question: I don't think I can ethically
give you this information, but you can find a good, easy-to-follow
workflow in Bruce Fraser's "Real World Camera RAW with Adobe Photoshop
CS2" from Peachpit Press. And it is a great reference as well.

Will
John - 15 Dec 2006 14:16 GMT
> As for the original poster's question: I don't think I can ethically
> give you this information, but you can find a good, easy-to-follow
> workflow in Bruce Fraser's "Real World Camera RAW with Adobe Photoshop
> CS2" from Peachpit Press. And it is a great reference as well.

No problem.  I'll go down to the bookstore and get the info for free. At
least now I now know where to look.

> Will
John - 15 Dec 2006 14:15 GMT
> I may be missing something:
> I do not understand what following this procedure will get you rather than
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any photo of a color chart for calibration purposes is only valid to the
> particular lighting circumstances under which the image was created.

Yes, I think you might be missing something.

I want to calibrate my ACR. According to the procedure for ACR-Calibrate one
takes a photograph of the color card. Then using the photograph of the color
card, a profile is built for that camera. If there was a version
ACR-Calibrate that handled ACR 3.6 (I need 3.6 since I have a Canon 400D) I
woulnd't need to be asking this question to begin with.

Afterwards, a color card is included at least once during every photo shoot
since the lighting will always be different.

One person on the Internet said that he bit the bullet and entered the colors
by hand into Photoshop but I haven't figured out how to manually enter color.

For example, white is 243,243,242. Black is 52,52,52 and green is 70,178,149.
 Where do I enter those colors?
Paul Furman - 15 Dec 2006 17:42 GMT
> One person on the Internet said that he bit the bullet and entered the
> colors by hand into Photoshop but I haven't figured out how to manually
> enter color.
>
> For example, white is 243,243,242. Black is 52,52,52 and green is
> 70,178,149.  Where do I enter those colors?

On CS2's 'Calibrate' tab... although it's not a simple RGB scheme so I'm
not sure how.

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