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Seeker@light.net - 14 Dec 2006 21:11 GMT
I  need some advice on what dslr camera I should buy.

I have an old Pentax SLR with quite a few lenses. I also have another
film slr with a number of screw mounted lenses and filters.

What I've been looking at is the Pentax k100d and the Pentax k10d.

I want the camera to take general photos but I also want to use it to
make digital copies of books so I can get rid of some of the books I
have.

I also like low-light photography so I would be using it for that.

The Pentax k110d didn't seem to have all the functions I needed.

I'm wondering if the Pentax k10d is worth the $400 difference between
it and the K100D.

The thought of using my old lenses with the anti-shake sounds great.
And I believe that I can get metering through the old lenses also, is
that correct?

Which would be the better deal and where would I get the best deal on
one?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Paul Mitchum - 14 Dec 2006 23:07 GMT
> I  need some advice on what dslr camera I should buy.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> make digital copies of books so I can get rid of some of the books I
> have.

If you're going to take pictures of books (I assume they're rare or
collectible or are fine-art books of some kind), get a scanner instead.

> I also like low-light photography so I would be using it for that.
>
> The Pentax k110d didn't seem to have all the functions I needed.

What functions did you need that you didn't find?

> I'm wondering if the Pentax k10d is worth the $400 difference between it
> and the K100D.
>
> The thought of using my old lenses with the anti-shake sounds great. And I
> believe that I can get metering through the old lenses also, is that
> correct?

Yes indeed, with some caveats. Lenses with an 'A' setting on the
aperture ring will work without any problem. Manual apertures require
that you set a custom setting to allow using aperture rings. Screw-mount
lenses work with stop-down metering, so if they don't have a manual
aperture setting, you can only shoot wide open. You'll also need a
K-mount adaptor.

> Which would be the better deal and where would I get the best deal on
> one?
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.

I'm contemplating a similar purchase; I can actually use the 4 extra
megapixels and weatherproofing, so the K10D gets the nod. Now I just
need that extra $400. :-) (Note that for $400, you could buy another
lens, or another body.)
TW - 15 Dec 2006 00:14 GMT
I jumped directly from a DS to a K10D. I read that K100 and K110 are
slightly better than the DS in terms of color accuracy and JPEG quality. I
have done extremely well with my DS. I thought the DS has everything I need
until I started using the K10D.

Color accuracy is significantly better than the DS. I used to use a grey
card to get the color correct, which is no big deal. But the K10D got it
correct right out of the box. In order to get the best out of DS, I shot
only RAW. JPEGs from K10D are head and shoulder better than DS RAW. I don't
have a good raw converter for K10D, so I can't say much about K10D RAW.

Mirror and shutter combo is softer and less vibration on the K10D than DS,
perhaps because of the increase in weight. It is a good thing. The lay out
of control is the best I have seen from Pentax. I had a 5n, ist, DS before,
I think Pentax looked at the best features and combination from all these
cameras and applied them to the K10D. It is just a pleasure to use it.

I don't think you can go wrong with a K10D. It is in fact competing with
Nikon D200 and not D80. It is therefore an increduble deal if you look at it
that way. And the D200 does not have SR that benefits every lens.

>> I  need some advice on what dslr camera I should buy.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> need that extra $400. :-) (Note that for $400, you could buy another
> lens, or another body.)
Seeker@light.net - 15 Dec 2006 13:24 GMT
>I jumped directly from a DS to a K10D. I read that K100 and K110 are
>slightly better than the DS in terms of color accuracy and JPEG quality. I
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>only RAW. JPEGs from K10D are head and shoulder better than DS RAW. I don't
>have a good raw converter for K10D, so I can't say much about K10D RAW.

What about the magenta color showing up in dark spots in photos?  Have
you noticed that and is it a problem?

>Mirror and shutter combo is softer and less vibration on the K10D than DS,
>perhaps because of the increase in weight. It is a good thing. The lay out
>of control is the best I have seen from Pentax. I had a 5n, ist, DS before,
>I think Pentax looked at the best features and combination from all these
>cameras and applied them to the K10D. It is just a pleasure to use it.

I saw a video on YouTube of someone demonstrating the K10D. The
shutter action was very fast.  I also some photos taken with K10D. The
color and detail were great.

>I don't think you can go wrong with a K10D. It is in fact competing with
>Nikon D200 and not D80. It is therefore an increduble deal if you look at it
>that way. And the D200 does not have SR that benefits every lens.

That's the way I've been looking at it. It might be a stretch to come
up with the extra $400, but I think it will be worth it in the long
run.

Thanks for the input.

>>> I  need some advice on what dslr camera I should buy.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>> need that extra $400. :-) (Note that for $400, you could buy another
>> lens, or another body.)
Seeker@light.net - 15 Dec 2006 13:20 GMT
>> I want the camera to take general photos but I also want to use it to
>> make digital copies of books so I can get rid of some of the books I
>> have.

>If you're going to take pictures of books (I assume they're rare or
>collectible or are fine-art books of some kind), get a scanner instead.

I've tried using several scanners and none of them worked well.
I don't want to cut up the books just to copy them.  I was thinking
of mounting the camera on a copy stand.

>> The Pentax k110d didn't seem to have all the functions I needed.

>What functions did you need that you didn't find?

The anti-shake in the body was the big one. That's a great
feature to me and I assume it would also work for all the
old lenses.

>> I'm wondering if the Pentax k10d is worth the $400 difference between it
>> and the K100D.
>>
>> The thought of using my old lenses with the anti-shake sounds great. And I
>> believe that I can get metering through the old lenses also, is that
>> correct?

>Yes indeed, with some caveats. Lenses with an 'A' setting on the
>aperture ring will work without any problem. Manual apertures require
>that you set a custom setting to allow using aperture rings. Screw-mount
>lenses work with stop-down metering, so if they don't have a manual
>aperture setting, you can only shoot wide open. You'll also need a
>K-mount adaptor.

Thanks. I'll look for prices on that adaptor. Shouldn't be too much.

>> Which would be the better deal and where would I get the best deal on
>> one?
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated.

>I'm contemplating a similar purchase; I can actually use the 4 extra
>megapixels and weatherproofing, so the K10D gets the nod. Now I just
>need that extra $400. :-) (Note that for $400, you could buy another
>lens, or another body.)

Right. That's what I was thinking also.  From some of the reviews I've
read on the K10D it is comparable to the Nikon D200. So I could look
at it as saving $700. ;-)

The K10D seems to be on the cutting edge of technology right now. I
don't think I would have to worry about it being outdated anytime
soon.

Thanks for the input.
Marc Sabatella - 15 Dec 2006 05:52 GMT
> I want the camera to take general photos but I also want to use it to
> make digital copies of books so I can get rid of some of the books I
> have.

Realistically, you might not find a camera particularly well-suited to
this task.

> The Pentax k110d didn't seem to have all the functions I needed.

Compared to the K100D, it's missing only one - anti-shake.  But I agree,
no sense buying into Pentax these days with a body that doesn't support
it.

> I'm wondering if the Pentax k10d is worth the $400 difference between
> it and the K100D.

I'd say, if you aren't convinced of it already, the answer is probably
no.  The K100D is a great camera, and unless you *know* you *need* the
features the K10D offers above and beyond, then you're probably paying
too much for them.

> And I believe that I can get metering through the old lenses also, is
> that correct?

Correct, but it's not exactly a completely automatic/pain-free process
unless your lens has an "A" position on the aperture ring.  Details on
how to do this differ betwene models, but there are numerous posts on
the subject on dpreview.com in the Pentax SLR forum.

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John Francis - 15 Dec 2006 07:57 GMT
>> And I believe that I can get metering through the old lenses also, is
>> that correct?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>how to do this differ betwene models, but there are numerous posts on
>the subject on dpreview.com in the Pentax SLR forum.

I believe the original poster has screw-mount lenses, not K-mount, so
metering is pretty much painless (albeit stop-down not full-aperture).
Seeker@light.net - 15 Dec 2006 13:33 GMT
>>> And I believe that I can get metering through the old lenses also, is
>>> that correct?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>how to do this differ betwene models, but there are numerous posts on
>>the subject on dpreview.com in the Pentax SLR forum.

>I believe the original poster has screw-mount lenses, not K-mount, so
>metering is pretty much painless (albeit stop-down not full-aperture).

Right.  And I understand that all I need to do is buy an adapter, is
that correct?

I also have a lot of color filters but I won't need them. The D10K has
some color filters or I can do it in Photoshop.

Thanks, John.
Seeker@light.net - 15 Dec 2006 13:31 GMT
>> I want the camera to take general photos but I also want to use it to
>> make digital copies of books so I can get rid of some of the books I
>> have.

>Realistically, you might not find a camera particularly well-suited to
>this task.

Right and that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. If it doesn't do
low-light shots well, that would be a deal breaker.

>> The Pentax k110d didn't seem to have all the functions I needed.

>Compared to the K100D, it's missing only one - anti-shake.  But I agree,
>no sense buying into Pentax these days with a body that doesn't support
>it.

Yes, that was my thought also. The anti-shake isn't just horizontal
and vertical but also diagonal.

>> I'm wondering if the Pentax k10d is worth the $400 difference between
>> it and the K100D.

>I'd say, if you aren't convinced of it already, the answer is probably
>no.  The K100D is a great camera, and unless you *know* you *need* the
>features the K10D offers above and beyond, then you're probably paying
>too much for them.

That's hard to say at this juncture. I've been away from photography
for a while now. Just using a 3.1 mp point-and-shoot camera.  I hate
the shutter lag and the zoom on it is worthless.

I want a camera that will give me lots of detail. I can always take
out detail but I can't add it.

>> And I believe that I can get metering through the old lenses also, is
>> that correct?

>Correct, but it's not exactly a completely automatic/pain-free process
>unless your lens has an "A" position on the aperture ring.  Details on
>how to do this differ betwene models, but there are numerous posts on
>the subject on dpreview.com in the Pentax SLR forum.

Thanks. I will check out the forums. I'm sure the D10K isn't perfect,
but then no DSLR is.

>---------------
>Marc Sabatella
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>Featuring "A Jazz Improvisation Primer"
>http://www.outsideshore.com/
John Francis - 15 Dec 2006 17:58 GMT
>>> The Pentax k110d didn't seem to have all the functions I needed.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Yes, that was my thought also. The anti-shake isn't just horizontal
>and vertical but also diagonal.

That's just marketing not understanding the technical details :-)
All SR/IS systems can do diagonal - that's just a combination of
horizontal and vertical.   What the Pentax body-mounted SR system
does that no in-lens system can do is correct for rotation around
the axis of the lens.  That's actually more common than you might
think - stabbing the shutter release too hard generates this kind
of camera shake.  I don't know if the Sony (nee K/M) system does
this as well, or whether it's a Pentax exclusive.
Tony  Polson - 15 Dec 2006 18:19 GMT
>That's just marketing not understanding the technical details :-)
>All SR/IS systems can do diagonal - that's just a combination of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>of camera shake.  I don't know if the Sony (nee K/M) system does
>this as well, or whether it's a Pentax exclusive.

It is a Pentax exclusive, and has been the subject of several patents.
So when another manufacturer uses it, Pentax will be able to extract
royalties.
Helen Edith Stephenson - 15 Dec 2006 21:15 GMT
In article <2i85o2ptegdvlj9f4irfhaqc2877od9q87@4ax.com>, Seeker@light.net writes
[snip]
>Right and that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. If it doesn't do
>low-light shots well, that would be a deal breaker.
[snip]

I've seen at least one poster saying how much better the K10D is than the DS, and as I can vouch
for the DS doing pretty good low-light shots,
I don't think you should have any problems in that department with the
K10D.

The dynamic range supported seems to be better than on the DS, and one
of my gripes with the DS for night shots is that it can blow the highlights.

Here is a post from a K10D user who finds the dynamic range of the K10D
to be very superior to that of the DS:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&message=21211413&q=lig
hthouse&qf=m


I understand that noise reduction is similar on DS and K10D, so do
remember that if you're doing long exposures with NR turned on that you
will have to wait for a time equal to your exposure time while the
camera does NR. If you turn off NR, you can probably expect to see hot
pixels which will need editing out later in PhotoShop, but I haven't
seen any reports on how common hot pixels are with the K10D.

Helen

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tomm42 - 15 Dec 2006 13:54 GMT
On Dec 14, 4:11 pm, See...@light.net wrote:
> I  need some advice on what dslr camera I should buy.
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Thanks.

I think I'd agree with the other folks who have responded, get the
K10D, especially if you are doing copy work. The prism viewfinder is a
must for critical focusing. Also get yourself a 50 macro for the best
results on your books.
The other thengs that you need for copying is a copy stand, Kaiser
makes decent small ones, and some sort of lighting, 2 sources at 45
degree on either side of the subject, can be 2 small strobes or halogen
lights. If the books are rare the strobes are the best solution, can be
cheap ones and use a desk lamp for focusing. This is the basics for
good copy work.

Tom
Seeker - 17 Dec 2006 04:45 GMT
I checked out the forum on dpreview and got some more information
there.

It looks like I am going to go with the K10D, but I have a couple of
other questions.

1. I need to get the M42 adapter ring for my legacy lens to work.
  As I understand it, the one made by Pentax is the best one to buy.
 Should I buy it from Pentax or some other place?  I think Pentax
wants about $30 for the adapter.

2.  Would I need anything else other than M42 ring to use my legacy
lenses?

Thanks for your help,

Seeker
 
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