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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / December 2006There's little left to talk about
John's post about the "stupidity" of the camera name "Rebel" got me to thinking; but only after I looked at the long list of responses. Reasonable posts by naive beginners can get abused here with acerbic and curt replies, yet the name of a camera gets all sorts of detailed attention. Totally off-topic posts (e.g. Islam) are also doing a great job of garnering numerous and lengthy responses. My conclusion is that there is that not all that much left to talk about regarding DSLRs (or debate) because the new cameras are so much better than most user's skill sets. Tear me up and set me on fire. Happy Holidays! > John's post about the "stupidity" of the camera name "Rebel" got me to > thinking; but only after I looked at the long list of responses. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Happy Holidays! Charles, It's not just this newsgroup. Usenet in general seems to be going through some kind of bizarre sociological sunspot cycle. I subsribe to photo groups and groups related to flying and being a private pilot. I realize that Usenet is the electronic equivalent of the wild, wild west but all of these groups are just baraged with the most inane crap these days. Trolls, baiting, name calling and a complete lack of (and disregard for) educated opinions that foster discussion. Instead, all I see lately is "I'm right, you're wrong and F*ck You if you disagree..." The old joke used to be the screen that would someday pop up and say "You've reached the end of the Internet, please go back." I think it ought to read, "You've reached the end of Usenet as a source of entertainment or information, good bye and good luck." YMMV... Regards, Jay Beckman Chandler, AZ www.pbase.com/flyingphotog > Charles, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > for) educated opinions that foster discussion. Instead, all I see lately is > "I'm right, you're wrong and F*ck You if you disagree..." And this is different from how usenet has always been.... how?  SignatureYou need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard >> Charles, >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > And this is different from how usenet has always been.... how? Can't speak for all of usenet but the rec.aviation.* newsgroups have traditionally been an oasis of calm, rational, helpful discussions (election years not withstanding...) against the sea of insanity that can be and often is usenet in general. But 2006 has seen the s/n meter just peg with inumerable OT bombardments, cross posting to and from the most illogical and nonsensical other groups and a general disregard for the respective charters of each group. I've been on usenet for a fairly long time and until this year, I'd never even established a kill file. This year, I'm having to wrack up names faster than Death himself. The photo groups have also been (by and large, IMO) relatively sane by comparison but it's getting so that you can't even ask a basic photo question without the dicussion decending into OT flames. Maybe I'm just getting old but those who play the online equivalent of class clown(s) (every group has at least one and regulars know who they are) who run on about the same old crap over and over and over again have ceased being funny. I really do think maybe the OP is correct... There just isn't anything worth talking (typing) about any more. Jay Beckman Chandler, AZ www.pbase.com/flyingphotog > >> Charles, > >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > nonsensical other groups and a general disregard for the respective charters > of each group. Naw, most of Usenet's always been that way, _especially_ ever since the Endless September started (Today's Current Date: September 4843, 1993). I'll admit that back in the early 80's, most of Usenet was sane, but that was because you actually had to have a clue to even figure out how to get on it, and the clueless n00bs hadn't even HEARD of "the internet"(it wasn't to be known as that for some time), let alone Usenet. Also because you knew, at least by third person, a very large number of fellow users who often were sysadmins - and they could screw up your peerage if you pissed them off - you were polite for the most part, but flame wars were not all that uncommon even back then, either. > I've been on usenet for a fairly long time and until this year, I'd never > even established a kill file. This year, I'm having to wrack up names [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > comparison but it's getting so that you can't even ask a basic photo > question without the dicussion decending into OT flames. That again is fairly common. You just have to consider the source, ignore the flamers, and persist. Just hold your conversation outside of the flamers, as if they didn't exist, and eventually they usually stop tying to bait you. > Maybe I'm just getting old but those who play the online equivalent of class > clown(s) (every group has at least one and regulars know who they are) who > run on about the same old crap over and over and over again have ceased > being funny. Yup. Ignore 'em. > I really do think maybe the OP is correct... There just isn't anything > worth talking (typing) about any more. Totally diagree. There's lots of stuff to discuss, as long as you stick to the topics at hand and don't get distracted off into some pointless discussion over plastic vs. metal or some other silly obsession that whoever might poke their nose into a thread might have. SignatureYou need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard > Naw, most of Usenet's always been that way, _especially_ ever since the > Endless September started (Today's Current Date: September 4843, 1993). [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > pointless discussion over plastic vs. metal or some other silly > obsession that whoever might poke their nose into a thread might have. Ken, Good history lesson. You've renewed my faith in my fellow cyber man...well, mostly. Regards, Jay > John's post about the "stupidity" of the camera name "Rebel" got me to > thinking; but only after I looked at the long list of responses. Reasonable [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tear me up and set me on fire. eh, usenet should allow people to speak freely and respectfully. But distance and annonymity allow some of the worst spirits to break out. I've been lucky over time to personally meet a few of the long distance friend and aquaintances from this and other groups and will certainy meet more over time... that makes the NG's as rewarding, nay, moreso, as the purpose of the NG's themselves. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >John's post about the "stupidity" of the camera name "Rebel" got me to >thinking; but only after I looked at the long list of responses. Reasonable [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Happy Holidays! Citizen's Band of the new millennium. > Citizen's Band of the new millennium. I've seen that analogy before and it's fairly accurate. As in the real world, most people are civil and respectful, but there are always a few mouthy jerks who think they know it all (like me). And since they're behind a computer monitor (or CB mic) they feel untouchable and do whatever they want. But that's why we have twit filters. :-) > Happy Holidays! That's the reason right there - people know it ain't cheap these days. :-) > John's post about the "stupidity" of the camera name "Rebel" got me to > thinking; but only after I looked at the long list of responses. Indeed. I was stunned by the number of responses. I regret having written that post. > Reasonable > posts by naive beginners can get abused here with acerbic and curt replies, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > regarding DSLRs (or debate) because the new cameras are so much better than > most user's skill sets. It happens on a lot of newsgroups where people spend *way* more time talking about the equipment than actually using it. I wonder how some people ever get around to actually doing their thing when they spend what seems like the entire day posting. I believe that the true professionals rarely spend any time on newsgroups. My son who quite accomplished in his field rarely, if ever, reads newsgroups because he spends all day actually working; he doesn't have time to chit-chat. Me? I'm just getting back into photography after a very long hiatus. I'm a certified amateur and I have a lack of credentials to prove it. I read the newsgroups in the morning during coffee time and have picked up a few good tips now and then. I simply ignore the wacky off-topic threads. > Tear me up and set me on fire. > > Happy Holidays! Likewise. >> John's post about the "stupidity" of the camera name "Rebel" got me to >> thinking; but only after I looked at the long list of responses. > > Indeed. I was stunned by the number of responses. I regret having > written that post. Well, those of us who responded over the top should be the ones. It's nice to put [OT] in front of a subject line, tho. >> Reasonable posts by naive beginners can get abused here with acerbic >> and curt replies, yet the name of a camera gets all sorts of detailed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> about regarding DSLRs (or debate) because the new cameras are so much >> better than most user's skill sets. Interesting theory; I wouldn't dispute it. > It happens on a lot of newsgroups where people spend *way* more time > talking about the equipment than actually using it. I wonder how some > people ever get around to actually doing their thing when they spend > what seems like the entire day posting. Quite. For some of us at some times, NG posting can be addictive, or avoiding going out and doing something. > I believe that the true professionals rarely spend any time on > newsgroups. My son who quite accomplished in his field rarely, if ever, > reads newsgroups because he spends all day actually working; he doesn't > have time to chit-chat. I came here not for chit chat, but real help. I got it. And I do chit chat and chide at least my share. > Me? I'm just getting back into photography after a very long hiatus. > I'm a certified amateur and I have a lack of credentials to prove it. I > read the newsgroups in the morning during coffee time and have picked up > a few good tips now and then. I simply ignore the wacky off-topic threads. Good practice. And thanks for not getting bent out of shape over the howls. I hope you find value here. Sorta an exercise of the wheat and chaff thing, if you will. Signaturejohn mcwilliams > John's post about the "stupidity" of the camera name "Rebel" got me to > thinking; but only after I looked at the long list of responses. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Happy Holidays! Newsgroup burnout. I've only been out here for about 11 years, but I get the same feeling from time to time. Fortunately, there is still a lot of first-class information here, if you find it amongst all of the crap you really don't care about. When the Islam posts get to you, when you become overly annoyed with the constant bickering in threads that began as on-topic and wandered off, when the purposeless crossposting trolls foul your mood, walk away. Take a break. Tomorrow there will be new topics to explore. dwight |
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