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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / December 2006Bent Pin with Nikon D70s
Hello there! About two weeks ago we bought a new Nikon D70s and about a week later it was broken. We had it sent in to fix it, believing this was all falling under warranty, but yesterday we got the message that it doesn't fall under warranty and they want to charge us 100 Euro. It appears that we have bent pin problem and somehow I'm not willing to accept that this was entirely my fault. I've talked with someone at the Nikon Service Point in Munich (where our camera currently is) and she confirmed that there's only one pin broken. I've checked the CF card and you can clearly see that it is scratched around one hole, so I can see that something must have gone wrong when I inserted the card. I tried to insert the card in the wrong way (with the holes still down), just to prove to my husband that I didn't make a stupid mistake, and it seemed to me that this is absolutely not possible. Can someone please confirm that this is the case? I know you can put the card in sideways and break pins, but I'm pretty sure I didn't do that. I'm not quite sure if you can prove that the card was fit in correctly by matching the scratches on the card with the broken pin. If all fails we'll have to accept paying for repair, but I'd rather talk to Nikon first and try to talk them out of charging us. It seems like bent pins are a general problem with CF slots, so maybe someone has some experience and can tell me if there's anything I can do to save us the costs. I'm grateful for any feedback. > I tried to insert the card in the wrong way (with the holes still > down), just to prove to my husband that I didn't make a stupid mistake, > and it seemed to me that this is absolutely not possible. Can someone > please confirm that this is the case? I know you can put the card in > sideways and break pins, but I'm pretty sure I didn't do that. It can be done. I was describing to someone how to use my card reader for the first time and I mistakenly told them to insert it with the front of the card on the same side as the logo on the card reader. Later when I saw it for myself I noticed the card was not inserted "straight" and then realized my instructions were wrong for this reader specific reader. So a $20 card reader was trash because of broken pins. Since then I've been extremely gentle when inserting cards into anything, especially the camera. I guess this is one reason SD memory is better: no pins! > I guess this is one reason SD memory is better: no pins! Not so sure about that. My own camera is a D70s w/ the CF card. It does seem intimidating to have all those delicate pins! My wife's camera is a Kodak EasyShare w/ the SD card. LOOKs easy/reliable/safe enough. However, I bought a laptop with an SD card reader built in. I tried any number of ways to insert the card, and it always went in crooked. Then I did it again and it went in, and was detected by Windoze, but was unreadable. Tried some more times, and it went in *way* too far, couldn't get it out, started smelling hot plastic! On Dec 6, 10:22 am, anne.ri...@gmail.com wrote: > Hello there! > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I'm grateful for any feedback. Unfortunatly it is something that goes under "operator induced damage" no way around that. I have heard of this happening to a few people but generally it is not very common. I have been using CF cards at home and work for years and never had a problem. Must have been a real fluke. You will have to pay up if you want the camera back, just be careful and gentle. What dives me crazy is almost every camera has a different CF card orientation. I use a D200, D70, Fuji S1 and still my Nikon 995 every one is different. Enjoy the camera, definitly worth having repairs done. Tom anne.risch@gmail.com wrote in news:1165418577.388950.157980 @j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: don't know what the law is in your country but here in Québec after 10 days if your not satisfied you can turn it in and get your money back. That's a very good side of Québec. Jean  SignaturePhotos http://www.chez.com/anaclet After 10 days? How long after 10 days? SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : anne.risch@gmail.com wrote in news:1165418577.388950.157980 : @j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : very good side of Québec. : Jean About 2 years ago I had a coolpix 5700, and while visiting my daughter in Georgia, I put the CF card in wrong and bent a pin. I had only had the camera about 8 months so I sent it to Nikon and they said they would repair it under warranty. Got it back in about 10 days. HTH. SignatureEd Hello there! About two weeks ago we bought a new Nikon D70s and about a week later it was broken. We had it sent in to fix it, believing this was all falling under warranty, but yesterday we got the message that it doesn't fall under warranty and they want to charge us 100 Euro. It appears that we have bent pin problem and somehow I'm not willing to accept that this was entirely my fault. I've talked with someone at the Nikon Service Point in Munich (where our camera currently is) and she confirmed that there's only one pin broken. I've checked the CF card and you can clearly see that it is scratched around one hole, so I can see that something must have gone wrong when I inserted the card. I tried to insert the card in the wrong way (with the holes still down), just to prove to my husband that I didn't make a stupid mistake, and it seemed to me that this is absolutely not possible. Can someone please confirm that this is the case? I know you can put the card in sideways and break pins, but I'm pretty sure I didn't do that. I'm not quite sure if you can prove that the card was fit in correctly by matching the scratches on the card with the broken pin. If all fails we'll have to accept paying for repair, but I'd rather talk to Nikon first and try to talk them out of charging us. It seems like bent pins are a general problem with CF slots, so maybe someone has some experience and can tell me if there's anything I can do to save us the costs. I'm grateful for any feedback. I had this problem a long time ago. I had a Wolverine storage device and the way the card inserts in it was the opposite of the way it goes in the Nikon. I was in Mexico, had never used the Wolverine before, was in a hurry, and had just gotten the Nikon D70 - so I messed up the card by inserting it improperly in the Wolverine and when I subsequently shoved it in the Nikon, it bent the pin. $170 USD later and after spending too much money to package and send the camera to Nikon for repair, it came back repaired. I never made THAT mistake again. Not too long after that I slipped and fell in a mountain stream in the Sierras in the middle of winter. Glub, glub. End of camera and attached Nikon zoom lens. Fortunately I had just put all my cameras and lenses under a homeowners policy so was reimbursed for a new Nikon and lens of my choice. I had to return the camera to the insurance company but out of curiosity contacted Nikon and asked how much it would have cost to repair the water logged camera. Yes, it was $170. Maybe all their repairs are $170. Anyway, $170 sounded absurd to fix the bent pin, but sounded dirt cheap to fix a waterlogged camera probably filled with debris from the bottom of the stream. Tom > Hello there! > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I'm grateful for any feedback. >I tried to insert the card in the wrong way (with the holes still >down), just to prove to my husband that I didn't make a stupid mistake, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'm not quite sure if you can prove that the card was fit in correctly >by matching the scratches on the card with the broken pin. You can certainly do that, but it does nothing to prove that the pin wasn't previously bent by some other action. >If all fails we'll have to accept paying for repair, but I'd rather >talk to Nikon first and try to talk them out of charging us. It seems >like bent pins are a general problem with CF slots, so maybe someone >has some experience and can tell me if there's anything I can do to >save us the costs. There are two common causes of crushed CF socket pins; mishandling during production of the socket or device, or rough & incorrect use by the end user. Other possibilities are a misshapen CF card, foreign objects (eg; grit or insects) in the socket or card holes, or someone (eg a child) poking things in the socket. Ive seen all of these problems with similar connectors. >I'm grateful for any feedback. I would advise you to push Nikon hard on this one. I would inform them that you intend to take them to your local fair-trading/consumer protection authority, & demand that they give you written/photographic evidence that the fault was due to user misshanding, rather than a manufacturing fault. Very likely, they'll then stop arguing with you, & simply repair it under warranty. Best of luck, Anne, & please let us know how your claim progresses. > It appears that we have bent pin problem and somehow I'm not willing to > accept that this was entirely my fault. I've talked with someone at the > Nikon Service Point in Munich (where our camera currently is) and she > confirmed that there's only one pin broken. I've checked the CF card > and you can clearly see that it is scratched around one hole, so I can > see that something must have gone wrong when I inserted the card. Ouch. That's a sad story for a new toy... my sympathies. Unfortunately, the odds are in Nikon's favor on this one; it's much more likely caused by the card you used or how you inserted it. That said, if you can politely get a manager on the line, they'd be smart to fix it out of good will for a new customer. Socket pins are definitely a weak point for CF cards, but it doesn't mean you put it in upside down when you damaged it. (That'd take some effort due to the keyed edge of the card.) More likely, the card wasn't fully aligned when you pushed it in, and one pin caught on the edge of the CF card hole and bent. This can happen if you insert the card too quickly or force it if it's not aligned. It could also happen if there's a burr on the tip of the pin (unlikely), or the CF card's hole is marred or clogged. This issue of eating repair costs for the sake of good will may be what drove Nikon to use SD cards in the newer D80... You might also see if your credit card includes any damage insurance that'd cover the cost of repair. Cheers, Richard According to Richard H. <rh86@no.spam>: > > It appears that we have bent pin problem and somehow I'm not willing to > > accept that this was entirely my fault. I've talked with someone at the > > Nikon Service Point in Munich (where our camera currently is) and she > > confirmed that there's only one pin broken. I've checked the CF card > > and you can clearly see that it is scratched around one hole, so I can > > see that something must have gone wrong when I inserted the card. [ ... ] > Socket pins are definitely a weak point for CF cards, but it doesn't > mean you put it in upside down when you damaged it. (That'd take some > effort due to the keyed edge of the card.) You really *can't* push it far enough down when backwards. The only way to damage it by improperly inserting a card is to put the card in one side first -- and then the feel should clue you in before you push it far enough -- because there is a total lack of feel of guiding, it is just plain loose. > More likely, the card wasn't fully aligned when you pushed it in, and > one pin caught on the edge of the CF card hole and bent. This can > happen if you insert the card too quickly or force it if it's not > aligned. It could also happen if there's a burr on the tip of the pin > (unlikely), or the CF card's hole is marred or clogged. Note that such connectors can be damaged by a bent pin and cause future bent pins. At least, I experienced this with the tiny flat pins used in the SCSI connectors for Sun workstations. The pin was bent the hard way (that is bent to the side where the width makes it more difficult to bend), and when plugged into the socket on the computer (the pin was on the cable end) it broke the partition between that pin and the next one and turned it into an angled ramp which then bent the same pin on the next cable which was plugged in. These were fixable, with the use of tiny needle nose pliers on the pins, and a sharp point from a safety pin to move the partition back into place. Carefully check the connector on the CF card, and make sure that this has not happened to it. If it has, it could re-break the camera as soon as it is returned. (If you have more than one CF card, check them all for this problem.) > This issue of eating repair costs for the sake of good will may be what > drove Nikon to use SD cards in the newer D80... Perhaps so -- but I *really* prefer the CF cards. > You might also see if your credit card includes any damage insurance > that'd cover the cost of repair. A good thought -- *if* it was purchased using the credit card, of course. Good Luck, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- Thanks to all of you for your helpful replies. My husband and I have now decided to have the camera sent back to us and then first go to the store where we bought it and check the damage out with someone there and then bring it to a local Nikon Service Point in Cologne. It seems nearly impossible to me to argue this case over the phone with the guys in Munich. It all goes back and forth, me claiming that I'm pretty sure I put the card in right and they telling me that this was definitely my fault. I went by the store we bought it from yesterday and had two guys there check if you can insert a CF card the wrong way. Unfortunately they don't carry the D70s anymore, so we checked it on other cameras with CF slots and both times they agreed that you'd have to use brutal force to push it in the wrong way. Which I'm sure I didn't. They still couldn't help me out because they have to rely on what Nikon tells them, plus one of the managers then claimed that it is possible to put the card in the wrong way. So it seems there's some kind of dispute there about if it can be done or not. Sure, with brutal force you'll get it in, but I'd think that that might show on the card and there should be more than one tiny scratch there. Anyway, I'd rather have my (still broken) camera back first and try to argue my case personally with some Nikon authorized dealer. I'm not sure if this will be any more successful, but I feel more comfortable this way. On Dec 7, 4:17 am, anne.ri...@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks to all of you for your helpful replies. My husband and I have > now decided to have the camera sent back to us and then first go to the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > sure if this will be any more successful, but I feel more comfortable > this way. The question to ask Nikon is how could I have bent the pin if it is vitually impossible to insert the card the wrong way. The only way a bent pin could happen is if the camera had a construction flaw. Going from a D200 to a D70 in the office, the cards go in completely differently. So at first I tried to install the card backwards into the D70, no way it is possible. As I said before I try to be very gentle with card installation, and with the D70 it is obvious that the card goes in with the lable away from you. Going in the correct way, it is a tight fit so I would think it is almost impossible to to bend a pin that way. You can try this arguement, probably won't work but it is worth a try. Tom This is basically why I want my camera back now. I tried to tell the guys in Munich that I believe that there's no way I could have put in the card correctly, but they keep on telling me that this is possible and can be done. Even though I know that other here on the boards say that it can be done, I only trust what I can see myself. And I've tried to fit the card in incorrectly: didn't work. Yesterday I had two different people at the store try to fit CF cards in incorrectly in two different cameras (unfortunately they don't carry the D70s anymore, so they had to pick other cameras). They both tried and agreed that it didn't work. I don't know how much force you'll have to use to make the card fit in the wrong way, but I doubt I made that mistake. The card just fits in smoothly when inserted correctly and I'm pretty sure I would have noticed the difference. We'll try it again at the store once the camera gets there and if necessary I will take it to the Service Point in Cologne myself and ask someone there to please fit in the card the wrong way with me witnessing. If it can be done, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, but so far every attempt I made and watched others make to place in the card incorrectly has failed. If I can't get around it I will pay the money to get it fixed, but as long as I see the chance to avoid it, I won't give up. >This is basically why I want my camera back now. I tried to tell the >guys in Munich that I believe that there's no way I could have put in >the card correctly, but they keep on telling me that this is possible >and can be done. It is possible, but the user has to be fairly strong, & extremely rough to do so. And while it may be sexist of me to say so, it's been my experience that female users simply don't cause those kinds of faults - every time I've seen a bent pin from mishandling, the owner's been a beefy guy. BTW, one professional tech-tip for identifying connectors that were screwed up at the factory is to look at the solder joints on & around the bent pin. If the soldered end of the pins aren't dead-straight on the SMD solder pads, it's incontrovertible proof that the socket or pins were mis-aligned during manufacture, & that the user is not at fault. >This is basically why I want my camera back now. I tried to tell the >guys in Munich that I believe that there's no way I could have put in >the card correctly, but they keep on telling me that this is possible >and can be done. So Nikon in Munich are *admitting* there is a design fault with the D70. Doh!! If the card CAN'T be inserted the wrong way, then something else caused the bent pin - a piece of grit or other material fell into the socket before you inserted the card. That would be accidental damage - the terms of your warranty, purchase agreement or insurance should cover it. If the card CAN be inserted the wrong way, as Nikon in Munich claim, then it is a DESIGN FAULT, for which they ARE responsible without argument or legal defence, whether they openly admit it or not. Try to get them to state IN WRITING that the card can be inserted wrongly - then take your documented evidence to the Small Claims Court. They won't turn up and the judge will award you the case by default. Here in the UK that costs around £25 and that will be added to your award. SignatureKennedy Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed. Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying) Kennedy McEwen schrieb: > >This is basically why I want my camera back now. I tried to tell the > >guys in Munich that I believe that there's no way I could have put in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > before you inserted the card. That would be accidental damage - the > terms of your warranty, purchase agreement or insurance should cover it. Okay, I made a mistake here: Of course it should say that I believe there's no way I could have put in the card INCORRECTLY. It doesn't really make sense otherwise, does it? >>This is basically why I want my camera back now. I tried to tell the >>guys in Munich that I believe that there's no way I could have put in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Here in the UK that costs around £25 and that will be added to your > award. And this is what's wrong with the legal system, it seeks to assign blame even when there is none. Signature--John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) >> If the card CAN be inserted the wrong way, as Nikon in Munich claim, >> then it is a DESIGN FAULT, for which they ARE responsible without [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >And this is what's wrong with the legal system, it seeks to assign blame >even when there is none. So you don't think that companies carry any responsibility for the products they produce. An interesting concept which I am sure you agree with every time you get into your car or board an aircraft! The consequence of design faults can be very significant - in this case it isn't, but that doesn't absolve Nikon of responsibility for it. Blame isn't being assigned, responsibility is. If the card CAN be inserted backwards and consequently damage the connector then it IS Nikon's responsibility to correct the fault and damage caused, not the OP's. If Nikon admit that this can be done, especially if they suggest it would be so easy to do that you may not even notice it was done, then they are accepting responsibility. The court ruling would merely make that responsibility a legal obligation instead of something they can ignore, which they appear to be doing at present. Blame is something the Nikon may decide to sort out internally, because only they know who to blame for the fault, but I don't think that is how Japanese, or any decent, companies operate. SignatureKennedy Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed. Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying) >>> If the card CAN be inserted the wrong way, as Nikon in Munich claim, >>> then it is a DESIGN FAULT, for which they ARE responsible without [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > So you don't think that companies carry any responsibility for the > products they produce. Carrying responsibility and being expected to pay to fix bent contacts are two different things. > An interesting concept which I am sure you agree > with every time you get into your car or board an aircraft! <plonk> <remaining lawyerlike claptrap snipped> Signature--John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) >>>> If the card CAN be inserted the wrong way, as Nikon in Munich claim, >>>> then it is a DESIGN FAULT, for which they ARE responsible without [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Carrying responsibility and being expected to pay to fix bent contacts are >two different things. They are quite the same thing - if Nikon refuse to pay for damage that is a direct consequence of their design error then they are shirking their product responsibility, plain and simple. SignatureKennedy Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed. Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying) We now got the camera back - unfixed and talked to one of the guys at the store we got it from. Apparently you can't put in the card backwards. BUT, it seems you can insert the card in the right way, and still break the pins if the card is inserted just a bit off, however that is supposed to work. (I don't know the proper English term for the word I want to use.) Just wanted to rant about Nikon, when I got the call from the store. Turns out, Nikon will repair the camera and we don't need to pay for it, or rather, we'll pay for it, but will get the money back from the store. I'm still a bit suspicious, but I'll bring the camera back to the store tomorrow and hopefully everything will work out from them. We'll see if everything runs smoothly, but right now I decide to be optimistic and hope that everything will turn out fine. > We now got the camera back - unfixed and talked to one of the guys > at [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > don't > know the proper English term for the word I want to use.) I'm not so sure I believe that...the rails that guide the card are rigid and precise. I've removed and inserted cards in my friends D70s dozens of times, and in my old Canon XT and P&S models hundreds of times. I've never been overly concerned about it after I realized that it's very hard to do something wrong. Personally, I think it was one of two things. Either a pin wasn't quite straight from the factory, or the CF card had some plastic molding residue left behind and the first few times you used it a pin did not enter properly and was bent. Make sure you have a good look at the CF card to make sure it is not the cause of the problem, otherwise when you get the camera back you may end up with another bent pin on the camera again. > Just wanted to rant about Nikon, when I got the call from the store. > Turns out, Nikon will repair the camera and we don't need to pay for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > We'll see if everything runs smoothly, but right now I decide to be > optimistic and hope that everything will turn out fine. If the store is customer friendly, they might just exchange it for another camera and send your damaged camera in to be refurbished. Either way, good luck. SignatureHappy Holidays! > I'm not so sure I believe that...the rails that guide the card are > rigid and precise. I've removed and inserted cards in my friends D70s [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the cause of the problem, otherwise when you get the camera back you > may end up with another bent pin on the camera again. Yes, I do agree. That's also why I think that the damage isn't my fault. If you can put in the card right and still break someone, it's either poor manufacturing, an already slightly-off pin or the card's fault. I just don't see how the user can be the one to blame here. As for the card, we'll probably have to buy a new one. I am aware of the risks of using the old card. Maybe we'll get a deal with the store, but if this doesn't work out, I'll just buy a new one. > If the store is customer friendly, they might just exchange it for > another camera and send your damaged camera in to be refurbished. The only problem here is that the D70s isn't produced anymore, so it's hard to find any here. When I brought it to the store the first time they offered to exchange it for another, but the only store that still had one was about 40 km away. But as long as I get my camera fixed, I don't really care what they do to make it happen. > On Dec 7, 4:17 am, anne.ri...@gmail.com wrote: >> Anyway, I'd rather have my (still broken) camera back first and try to >> argue my case personally with some Nikon authorized dealer. I'm not >> sure if this will be any more successful, but I feel more comfortable >> this way. Your local dealer is going to half to argue with Nikon the same as you. If he is a large dealer he might have some more sway than you, but ultimately it is going to be Nikon making the final call. > The question to ask Nikon is how could I have bent the pin if it is > vitually impossible to insert the card the wrong way. The only way a > bent pin could happen is if the camera had a construction flaw. Not true. A construction flaw may have caused the issue, but it is the least likely. A flaw in the CF card maybe a more likely issue. A miss aligned CF card (and I am not saying upside down, backward etc) inserted properly, but held a slight angle, not quite lined up with PINs etc can cause damage. I insert my CF cards with extrondinary care. And I try not to removed any more than ncessary and buy the largest card I can use in the system. If I am only downloading a few photos, I use the USB cable rather than my CF reader. > Going > from a D200 to a D70 in the office, the cards go in completely [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tom SignatureJim <jen....not....home..remvdots...@....yahoo > Thanks to all of you for your helpful replies. My husband and I have > now decided to have the camera sent back to us and then first go to > the > store where we bought it and check the damage out with someone there > and then bring it to a local Nikon Service Point in Cologne. You never said what kind of CF card you used, and if it was a well known brand name like Sandisk or Lexar, you may have more success showing that it wasn't the card. If you're using a cheap "no-name" brand and it turns out the card isn't up to spec, you're out of luck. As for the card slot, I used a D70s quite a lot in the recent past, and we've discussed this before. I know it's impossible to put the card in backwards (wrong side "up") since the design of both the slot and card is such that you'd need to REALLY pound the card in (with a hammer) to have it reach the pins. The only way the card will easily go into the slot and cause damage is sideways, but then it doesn't touch the guide rails and it's loose and sloppy like a marble in a jar. Unless you're mentally challenged, there's no way you could put it in like that and not notice it's wrong, however you could bend a pin like that. Bill schrieb: > You never said what kind of CF card you used, and if it was a well > known brand name like Sandisk or Lexar, you may have more success [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and card is such that you'd need to REALLY pound the card in (with a > hammer) to have it reach the pins. I use a Lexar, though I don't know the specifics. I checked the manual and the card is one of those recommended by Nikon. I'm also pretty sure I didn't use a hammer. There was definitely no pounding involved. ;) >I went by the store we bought it from yesterday and had two guys there >check if you can insert a CF card the wrong way. Unfortunately they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >one of the managers then claimed that it is possible to put the card in >the wrong way. You can't put the card in backwards, but if not careful/alert you can easily put it in sideways. There have been messages in the past in r.p.d where someone has done this and bent a pin before realizing this. If this is what happened it's not the camera's fault. SignatureEd Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardGRuf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html According to Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) <egruf_usenet2@cox.net>: > >I went by the store we bought it from yesterday and had two guys there > >check if you can insert a CF card the wrong way. Unfortunately they [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > where someone has done this and bent a pin before realizing this. If this > is what happened it's not the camera's fault. Agreed. It is the fault of the form factor of the CF card -- being made shorter than its width which allows this. And this should be possible in *all* cameras which use the CF cards, not just the Nikon D70s. Good Luck, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- >According to Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) <egruf_usenet2@cox.net>: >> You can't put the card in backwards, but if not careful/alert you can >> easily put it in sideways. There have been messages in the past in r.p.d [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >possible in *all* cameras which use the CF cards, not just the Nikon >D70s. Sorry Don, this is where we disagree. At this point it is an operator error imo. I have thousands od re-insertions on a half dozen cards in now four different cameras. If I were to do this, even in the beginning I'd blame no one but myself. And yes, I do do stupid things all the time. SignatureEd Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardGRuf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html According to Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) <egruf_usenet2@cox.net>: > >According to Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) <egruf_usenet2@cox.net>: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > different cameras. If I were to do this, even in the beginning I'd blame no > one but myself. And yes, I do do stupid things all the time. I am simply saying that the blame does *not* fall on Nikon, since the design of the card makes it impossible to design protection against sideways insertion. And the same possibility for sideways insertion and subsequent damage exists in *all* cameras (and all other devices) which use CF cards. The minor fact that anyone technically aware of how things fit together should instantly realize (from feel) that sideways is the wrong way to insert it, and that neither you nor I (nor most of the rest of us) have ever done that to the point of damage to the socket is simply indicating how many of us fit the model user (technically-aware) for which the CF card format was designed. I do not say that I have never inserted it sideways. When this first was discussed, I verified that it *could* be inserted sideways, and that bottoming it would risk damaging the pins. And refrained from testing that last part. I can even say why the design of the CF card has the pins on the socket, not on the card. That is because the socket pins are deeply recessed and out of reach of normal fumbling (and thus protected from static damage), while the pins on the card (if present) would be far less protected -- both from possible static damage, and from physical damage to the pins (which could still damage the partitions in the hypothetical female connector in the camera, and result in a chain reaction in that any subsequent cards inserted would get corresponding bent pins which would then damage other devices (e.g. any other cameras, and the card reader at a minimum. Even dropping a card equipped with pins (instead of the socket which they do have) into a pocket full of coins could result in either static damage or bending of pins -- or even both. Enjoy, DoN. SignatureEmail: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- > Hello there! > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I'm grateful for any feedback. Since a few yours there's a new european law to protect customers. It says that in the first couple of months, the supplyer has to proof it's the customers fault. After that period the consumer has to proof it's not. Google (in your own country) for consumer law, consumer protection etc. Point is, you always have to deal with your supplyer. (ergo, you're retailer) Not with Nikon directly. The retailer is responsible for the correct handling of youre complaint. Not the manufacterer! Legaly you've only made a deal with the retailer! If he can fall back on factory warranty, it's his advantidge, not yours. It's very nice to know that youre legal protection go's on. Even when de factory warranty is over. After that period you only have to pay for the time you actualy mis. For instance. A camera should last for (say) 8 years. There's something wrong in the 3th year. You only have to 3/8 of the price to repair it. But always deal with the retailer. He's always responsible! br Aad >> Hello there! >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > wrong in the 3th year. You only have to 3/8 of the price to repair it. But > always deal with the retailer. He's always responsible! I suspect that even a European court would find that something bent is not covered by warranty unless it can be shown that it was bent at time of purchase. This is kind of like expecting warranty repair for a dent in a car. > br > Aad Signature--John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > Hello there! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and you can clearly see that it is scratched around one hole, so I can > see that something must have gone wrong when I inserted the card. This is one reason why CFs are going the way of the dinosaur and SDs are replacing them. |
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