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223rem - 02 Dec 2006 08:37 GMT
What is that rectangular thing mounted on the lens of the 'forensic'
camera shown on the Miami-CSI show?
Arnor - 02 Dec 2006 15:18 GMT
Hi,

> What is that rectangular thing mounted on the lens of the 'forensic'
> camera shown on the Miami-CSI show?

I don't watch Miami-CSI, but my guess would be that it's a filter
holder for drop-in filters.  Something like this
http://www.adorama.com/LHFBD.html  for example - is that what it is???

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas
l v - 02 Dec 2006 16:59 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Arnor Baldvinsson
> San Antonio, Texas

I don't watch it either, but have paused on the show - paused longer on
CSI (Vegas).  I believe it is a ring flash used for macro or close up
photography.

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223rem - 02 Dec 2006 17:30 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> holder for drop-in filters.  Something like this
> http://www.adorama.com/LHFBD.html  for example - is that what it is???

Close, but the thing on the show is rectangular, not square, with large
flat surfaces that dont seem to serve any purpose.
Arnor - 03 Dec 2006 16:02 GMT
Hi,

> Close, but the thing on the show is rectangular, not square, with large
> flat surfaces that dont seem to serve any purpose.

Could it be a rectangular lens hood?  Like one of these:

http://www.adorama.com/CKMBHA.html
http://www.adorama.com/HS40771.html
http://www.adorama.com/LCLH1928R.html

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas
nascar20fan@nascar.com - 17 Dec 2006 05:07 GMT
>What is that rectangular thing mounted on the lens of the 'forensic'
>camera shown on the Miami-CSI show?

It is a macro flash ring.
Joseph Chamberlain, D.D.S. - 17 Dec 2006 08:16 GMT
On 12/16/06 9:07 PM, in article lca9o2hn50p8sp29vcmvh83ogd01r3bd67@4ax.com,

>> What is that rectangular thing mounted on the lens of the 'forensic'
>> camera shown on the Miami-CSI show?
>
> It is a macro flash ring.

More precisely known as Nikon SB-29s macro speedlight flash (now
discontinued and replaced by the newer R1C1 wireless close-up speedlight
system).

Joseph Chamberlain
Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 17 Dec 2006 12:58 GMT
> On 12/16/06 9:07 PM, in article
> lca9o2hn50p8sp29vcmvh83ogd01r3bd67@4ax.com,
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>
> Joseph Chamberlain

But will the new unit make the same cool sound that the old one made when
they snap a photo?
dcisive - 17 Dec 2006 17:23 GMT
Yep, and they all use the D200  (CSI Miami, New York and Las Vegas as well
as NCIS)with the software that allows for confirmation that a file has not
been manipulated. this is essential for a picture/files efficacy in a trial
as evidence. Nikon is one up on this feature.....

>> On 12/16/06 9:07 PM, in article
>> lca9o2hn50p8sp29vcmvh83ogd01r3bd67@4ax.com,
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> But will the new unit make the same cool sound that the old one made when
> they snap a photo?
Andrew Venor - 17 Dec 2006 18:31 GMT
> Yep, and they all use the D200  (CSI Miami, New York and Las Vegas as well
> as NCIS)with the software that allows for confirmation that a file has not
> been manipulated. this is essential for a picture/files efficacy in a trial
> as evidence. Nikon is one up on this feature.....

You can find camera shops that sell both Nikon and Canon law enforcement
camera packages.  Here is the flier for the packages that Pro Photo
Supply in Portland, OR offers.

http://www.prophotosupply.com/pdf/pps-lawkits.pdf

ALV

>>>On 12/16/06 9:07 PM, in article
>>>lca9o2hn50p8sp29vcmvh83ogd01r3bd67@4ax.com,
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>>But will the new unit make the same cool sound that the old one made when
>>they snap a photo?
Jeremy Nixon - 17 Dec 2006 23:18 GMT
> Yep, and they all use the D200  (CSI Miami, New York and Las Vegas as well
> as NCIS)

I love when you see them holding the camera out in front of their face as
though framing with the LCD, too.  I mean, at least get the *basics* right.

Well, okay, the one girl on CSI (Vegas) uses a Nikon P&S, so it's okay then.

And don't get me started on the film-winder sound effects.  Or my age-old
movie gripe, darkrooms always having *red* safe-lights.

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Peter A. Stavrakoglou - 18 Dec 2006 00:23 GMT
>> Yep, and they all use the D200  (CSI Miami, New York and Las Vegas as
>> well
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> And don't get me started on the film-winder sound effects.  Or my age-old
> movie gripe, darkrooms always having *red* safe-lights.

How about getting you started on the software that can take a barely
perceptible image in a sideview car mirror and enlarge and enhance it in
order to clearly identify the person?  Or better yet, the person's
reflection in the victim's eye that gets enlarged?
Jeremy Nixon - 18 Dec 2006 02:09 GMT
> "Jeremy Nixon" <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote in message
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> order to clearly identify the person?  Or better yet, the person's
> reflection in the victim's eye that gets enlarged?

From a camera phone, no less!  It does make one less than confident when
they get into areas one *doesn't* actually know about.  Of course, CSI
Miami in particular is a show about sorcerers using their magical powers
to solve crime, so, whatever. :)

You can reconstruct a lot of detail in a still from multiple frames of
video, but they take it to a whole new level of nonsense, especially
with single still frames.

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J. Clarke - 18 Dec 2006 03:30 GMT
>> "Jeremy Nixon" <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote in message
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> video, but they take it to a whole new level of nonsense, especially
> with single still frames.

I understand that the CSI: shows tried very hard to get it right and
started taking heat from police agencies because they got it right enough
that criminals were learning useful things from the show, so perhaps
they've decided to deliberately make it less realistic.

Trivia item--Pauley Perrette, who plays the one and only CSI on "Navy
NCIS", has a master's degree in criminology.  She actually knows what
she is supposed to be doing.  She's also appeared on CSI, but not as an
investigator.

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Hils - 26 Dec 2006 09:43 GMT
>>> How about getting you started on the software that can take a barely
>>> perceptible image in a sideview car mirror and enlarge and enhance it in
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>that criminals were learning useful things from the show, so perhaps
>they've decided to deliberately make it less realistic.

Perhaps they've been encouraged to err on the side of exaggerating the
abilities of investigators as a deterrent to would-be criminals. Have
you noticed how the investigators also always seem to tie up all the
loose ends and definitively identify the perps within a single shift?

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J. Clarke - 26 Dec 2006 13:30 GMT
>>>> How about getting you started on the software that can take a barely
>>>> perceptible image in a sideview car mirror and enlarge and enhance it in
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> you noticed how the investigators also always seem to tie up all the
> loose ends and definitively identify the perps within a single shift?

Yeah, and FBI always drops everything and gets them the information they
need within the hour and so on.  Personally I'm chalking that up to
"artistic license"--if they ever did "CSI:The Soap Opera" (suprised they
haven't tried that one) they would have the leisure of realistic timing,
but trying to show weeks of investigation in a one hour show week after
week for years at a time I can see would be a strain on the writers.

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DoN. Nichols - 18 Dec 2006 03:13 GMT
According to Jeremy Nixon  <jeremy@exit109.com>:

> > Yep, and they all use the D200  (CSI Miami, New York and Las Vegas as well
> > as NCIS)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> And don't get me started on the film-winder sound effects.

    Well ... I have a digital for which that is realistic.  The
Kodak/Nikon NC2000e/c (a Nikon N90s film camera converted to digital by
a special back/sub-base from Kodak).  Since the N90s has to wind the
"film" to re-cock the shutter, you are stuck with the noise, even when
the film is virtual. :-)

>                                                             Or my age-old
> movie gripe, darkrooms always having *red* safe-lights.

    Well ... it depends on what period is being portrayed.  Back
before Panchromatic B&W films and polycontrast print paper, that is what
you would use.  And for color film there is no safe color light anyway. :-)

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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