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Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 00:30 GMT I got a lens with a silvery looking scratch on it which I suspect may be just some metal rubbed off on it from banging around with other lenses. Is there a way to buff that off or is that what a scratch looks like on a coated lens? It has a purple/green coating. I tried rubbing pretty hard with a piece of lens paper and eclipse sensor cleaning fluid. I tried scratching at it with an exacto knife and it does feel like a gouge, but it looks like silvery build-up.
Here's what it looks like: http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/scratch
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 16 Nov 2006 00:40 GMT > Here's what it looks like: > http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/scratch If the metal is still on it. Try muriatic acid applied with a toothpick exactly on the scratch. Follow by buffing with a snapped of paper stem Q-Tip soaked in Eclipse. It'll get rid of the metal, but you will need to hit the gouge with a black marker.
Rita
Nicholas O. Lindan - 16 Nov 2006 00:48 GMT > I tried scratching at it with an exacto knife and it does feel like a > gouge, but it looks like silvery build-up. It looks like a gouge to me. It looks 'silvery' because it reflects light as it has no-antireflection coating.
It will have close to -zero- effect on the pictures taken with the lens. Some folks like to fill gouges with black ink or paint: put a little bit of black paint on the tip of a toothpick and dot the paint into the gouge.
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Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 02:10 GMT >>I tried scratching at it with an exacto knife and it does feel like a >>gouge, but it looks like silvery build-up. > > It looks like a gouge to me. It looks 'silvery' because it > reflects light as it has no-antireflection coating. OK thanks, so that is what a scratch looks like on coated glass.
> It will have close to -zero- effect on the pictures taken with the > lens. Some folks like to fill gouges with black ink or paint: put > a little bit of black paint on the tip of a toothpick and dot the > paint into the gouge.
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Toby - 16 Nov 2006 06:20 GMT It looks like more than a scratch; it looks like multiple small scratches that have, in effect, etched the glass. Yes, a metal filter ring contacting that spot and jiggling against the glass as a camera bag, for instance, was carried might have caused something like that. It would look the same on coated or uncoated glass if that's what it is.
Toby
>>>I tried scratching at it with an exacto knife and it does feel like a >>>gouge, but it looks like silvery build-up. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> a little bit of black paint on the tip of a toothpick and dot the >> paint into the gouge. William Graham - 16 Nov 2006 08:53 GMT >> I tried scratching at it with an exacto knife and it does feel like a >> gouge, but it looks like silvery build-up. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a little bit of black paint on the tip of a toothpick and dot the > paint into the gouge. Yes. My dad used to use India ink on scratches....I wonder if that lens scratch filler fluid they advertise on TV will work? - It's a clear stuff they recommend for using on scratched eyeglasses....
Buy_Sell - 16 Nov 2006 03:46 GMT Have you tried the lenspen? This is the only thing that I use on my lenses. http://www.lenspen.com/409
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> I got a lens with a silvery looking scratch on it which I suspect may be > just some metal rubbed off on it from banging around with other lenses. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Here's what it looks like: > http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/scratch Jim - 16 Nov 2006 03:58 GMT On 2006-11-15 19:30:31 -0500, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> s
This lens looks like it has been more than banging around. BTW an eXacto knife is not exactly a recommended lens cleaning tool!
Yes this appears to be a scratch and there is not much you can do about it Its proximity to the center of the lens means it will affect your photos. I think its' time to retire this warhorse and replace it.
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Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 16:40 GMT > Yes this appears to be a scratch and there is not much you can do > about it Its proximity to the center of the lens means it will > affect your photos. What I read about scratches, it's most likely to cause flare but I haven't observed that problem, although perhaps a dispersed contrast reducing haze is occurring. I have been having a tough time getting a really sharp image though that may be because it's so hard to focus.
> I think its' time to retire this warhorse and replace it. But... it's only 29 years old!
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Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 18:52 GMT > > Yes this appears to be a scratch and there is not much you can do > > about it Its proximity to the center of the lens means it will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > reducing haze is occurring. I have been having a tough time getting a > really sharp image though that may be because it's so hard to focus. Well, I tested against a couple other lenses, the sharpness and contrast seem fine and I hadn't noticed any flare shooting into the sun: <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/lenses/compare-28-45-105>
> > I think its' time to retire this warhorse and replace it. > > But... it's only 29 years old!
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William Graham - 16 Nov 2006 19:21 GMT >> > Yes this appears to be a scratch and there is not much you can do >> > about it Its proximity to the center of the lens means it will [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> But... it's only 29 years old! Maybe you can find another one that's cheap, because of a loose barrel or something, and take the optic out of it to replace yours with......IOW, "part out" another lens.
Al Denelsbeck - 16 Nov 2006 05:22 GMT Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in news:HiO6h.15758$B31.15440 @newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
> I got a lens with a silvery looking scratch on it which I suspect may be > just some metal rubbed off on it from banging around with other lenses. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Here's what it looks like: > http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/scratch Get a decent magnifier on it and examine it with a light moving around it. You should be able to tell if it's a gouge or something on the surface (and be aware it could be both).
From your closeup pic of the boogie, it looks more to me like something on the lens, most especially if the light is from the upper right of that photo. Shadows point towards the light with a scratch (shielded from the light by being in the valley, so to speak), and away from the light with something on the lens (far side of the mountain).
Of course, you should also be able to tell by looking at it from behind (not mounted), especially with a strong light shining directly into the lens. A gouge should produce glimmers.
- Al.
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Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 15:11 GMT > Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in news:HiO6h.15758$B31.15440 > @newssvr27.news.prodigy.net: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > from the light by being in the valley, so to speak), and away from the > light with something on the lens (far side of the mountain). Hmmm, good idea moving the light around, and yes the lighting was as you describe.
> Of course, you should also be able to tell by looking at it from > behind (not mounted), especially with a strong light shining directly into > the lens. A gouge should produce glimmers. I tried that and it looks black from the back.
Still, while these suggestions make sense, I now believe it is a gouge; dropped on concrete or something hard enough to really cut into the glass. A deep gouge in glass could play tricks on the eye with reflections & dispersing the light from behind.
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 16 Nov 2006 15:25 GMT > I tried that and it looks black from the back. That's consistent with a gouge, or on ebay: 'a minor cleaning mark'.
From the close-up it looks like it may have been made by the knurling on a filter ring. Anodized aluminum is plenty hard enough to scratch glass.
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Ken Lucke - 16 Nov 2006 18:05 GMT > > I tried that and it looks black from the back. > > That's consistent with a gouge, or on ebay: 'a minor cleaning > mark'. That's unfair. Don't lump all eBay sellers into one category of "dishonest", as your statement appears to imply, please.
MOST traders are honest, or at least try very hard to be. Some don't even know what it is that they are dealing with (having inherited the item, selling for someone without an account, etc.) and so are not able to accurately describe stuff, but that's not malicious or intentional. If you read the WHOLE description, ask a question or two, and check out the seller's feedback carefully (including looking to see WHY they might have a negative feeback for something), your chances of getting exactly what is described are pretty good. I've bought literally many hundreds of things off of eBay [over 900 transactions - admittedly, not all camera stuff], and I've only been burned once. Sometimes, if you are willing to take a risk, you can actually get a pretty good deal, too.
Example: I bought a Canon 75-300 IS lens from a description that stated quite clearly that there appeared to be a hair or something in the lens, but that it didn't interfere with the pictures (example pictures were provided). I took a chance, knowing that a) the description might be true and it would never be a problem, or b) it might be a problem but the service charge to resolve it would probably be minimal if it was what was described. I got the lens for under $100 including shipping, likely because the truthfulness of the seller had scared off buyers that didn't believe that it wouldn't affect anything. I won the lens, it arrived, it did indeed have a hair in it, and, as stated, it didn't affect the image in any way unless I was completely stopped down, then it was only a softening of contrast in a very small area (I doubt that the seller had ever done the micro inspection of the images like I did). Nevertheless, I examined the lens closely, and it appeared as if it might be on the back of the front glass - so, I took the front glass off (three screws, IIRC), blew it out, replaced the glass, and solved the problem.
Another non-camera example: I bought a laminator for $4 - the auction stated clearly that it was new in box but the feed didn't work [why they didn't return it is a mystery]. I took a chance, knowing I can fix almost anything. I opened it up, and one of the feed roller gears was missing the screw that held it into place, so it was failing to mesh up with the matching gear (obviously from the factory that way, as the cases screws still had their thread-lock on them). I rummaged arond in a drawer, found an appropriate screw, and 2 minutes later had a fully functional laminator which has worked perfectly for almost 4 years now, despite having accidentally left it on for days at a time on more than one occasion.
Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 18:57 GMT >>That's consistent with a gouge, or on ebay: 'a minor cleaning >>mark'. > > That's unfair. Don't lump all eBay sellers into one category of > "dishonest", as your statement appears to imply, please. In this case I bought it at a fixed 'Buy Now' ebay store with no description for about 40% off the typical price. I knew it would be beat-up at that price, the seller had good ratings and this was an oddball as he had mostly vintage large format gear.
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 16 Nov 2006 20:22 GMT > Nicholas O. Lindan <see@sig.com> wrote: > > That's consistent with a gouge, or on ebay: 'a minor cleaning > > mark'. > That's unfair. Don't lump all eBay sellers into one category of > "dishonest", as your statement appears to imply, please. Rx: Ethanol, PRN, to alleviate unwarranted seriousness.
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Rita Ä Berkowitz - 16 Nov 2006 20:12 GMT >> I tried that and it looks black from the back. > > That's consistent with a gouge, or on ebay: 'a minor cleaning > mark'. NONSENSE! Are you saying that all eBay sellers are dishonest? The majority of responsibility is Paul's since he didn't ask the proper questions prior to bidding/buying this lens. It's irresponsible to buy anything without asking questions. If you buy something and it is not what is expected you can only blame yourself for not asking.
As for selling, all my lenses I list are linked to high res pictures, a proper description, serial number, and a seven-day satisfaction guarantee. I never had a dissatisfied customer yet. All questions are answered in my description, but I am always willing to answer all questions from any potential bidder.
Rita
Nicholas O. Lindan - 16 Nov 2006 22:16 GMT > Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: > > > I tried that and it looks black from the back. > > That's consistent with a gouge, or on ebay: 'a minor cleaning > > mark'.
> NONSENSE! Are you saying that all eBay sellers are dishonest? WTF???? Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
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Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 19:02 GMT > Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > around it. You should be able to tell if it's a gouge or something on the > surface (and be aware it could be both). You know, it was both... I'm not sure how but the trailing blips came off and yes the xacto made it a little bit worse LOL. I added another closeup after cleaning you can see the swooshes from the xacto & a couple out of focus metal blobs to the right and some bits of ink now: <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/scratch&PG=1&PIC=2> -at a more oblique angle...
> From your closeup pic of the boogie, it looks more to me like > something on the lens, most especially if the light is from the upper right [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Al.
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Doug Robbins - 16 Nov 2006 10:40 GMT Exacto knife didn't work, huh? Maybe a hammer next?
>I got a lens with a silvery looking scratch on it which I suspect may be >just some metal rubbed off on it from banging around with other lenses. Is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Here's what it looks like: > http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/scratch Paul Furman - 16 Nov 2006 14:55 GMT I'm thinking dremel tool with a stone grinder next, or a cold chisel & sledge hammer. LOL
> Exacto knife didn't work, huh? Maybe a hammer next? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>Here's what it looks like: >>http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/scratch
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JimKramer - 16 Nov 2006 19:15 GMT > I'm thinking dremel tool with a stone grinder next, or a cold chisel & > sledge hammer. LOL [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Bay Natives > http://www.baynatives.com Come on Paul, do it right and get out the sand blaster!
Bandicoot - 17 Nov 2006 01:21 GMT > I'm thinking dremel tool with a stone grinder next, or a cold chisel & > sledge hammer. LOL Why waste time with a Dremel? What you need is a 9" angle grinder. Or, now I come to think of it, how about a petrol powered 12" concrete saw?
Peter (Listening to "Back at the Funny Farm" as he types this.)
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