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jahriv - 14 Nov 2006 11:43 GMT
Hey, I've just bought a Canon 400D, works like a charm, but I'm no
professional. My pics are saved in sRGB colorspace format, which by all
accounts seems to be the format of choice for web publishing, which is
the main use of my photos (recreational) I have been having problems,
however, getting these pics uploaded to my website without a red hue
over all the edited pics. I used Adobe PHoto Starter Ed 3 to edit the
pics. I thought that I should convert to RGB, but no program offers me
that solution, and I don't even know if that will solve this problem.
I've been reading about monitor color management, everything, to better
understand what's going wrong...

Any help!
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 14 Nov 2006 14:27 GMT
> Hey, I've just bought a Canon 400D, works like a charm, but I'm no
> professional. My pics are saved in sRGB colorspace format, which by all
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> I've been reading about monitor color management, everything, to better
> understand what's going wrong...

Calibrate your monitor.  Best to use a hardware solution like the ColorVision
Spyder II or similar.  You can also use Adobe Gamma in a pinch.  Then, use a
color corrected workflow with tools that are aware of color profiles, like
Adobe Photoshop (or Elements) or Paint Shop Pro or similar.  See if that
doesn't solve your problem.  

A typical workflow is to shoot in RAW (perhaps using AdobeRGB as your
colorspace), process in Camera RAW ... process further in Photoshop or
equivalent and finally convert to sRGB for publishing to the web.  There are
as many workflow options as there are digital photographers, so it is best you
do the research and use what works best for you.

I recommend this book if you want to get deeper into this.  

http://tinyurl.com/wtdbr

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Ben Brugman - 14 Nov 2006 16:46 GMT
> the main use of my photos (recreational) I have been having problems,
> however, getting these pics uploaded to my website without a red hue

If you only use your photos recreational, then colormanagement is a
bit heavy tool. Offcourse the Hardware colormanagement does give
the best tuning, but I do not think this is neccesary.

So first try to analyse why you do have a red hue.

Possible causes :
1. Indoor pictures with artificial light.
2. Outdoor pictures with sunlight early on the day and late in the evening.
3. Wrong setting of the white balance.
4. Wrong adjusted monitor.
5. Serious error in the camera.
6. ....
7. ..

To find the problem, try to make a 'fairly' normal picture, with white
balance
on automatic, outdoor during the day. If sunny make pictures in the sun and
in the shade. Also make some indoor pictures and some pictures using the
flash as a mainsource.

Try to view these pictures on different monitors. (Friends and work).
(It could be that your monitor does give a red hue so try different
monitors.)

Most pictures should not give a colorcast or a red hue.

If the red hue is there on different monitors and for all your pictures
(outdoor,
flash, indoor) and you used the automatic whitebalance, then I think there
is something serious wrong.

Finetuning of the above, you could use the white balance setting which is
appropriate for the setting, see what this delivers.

To sum it up :
(1) Analyse the problem and then (2) find a solution which is practical
(cheap and easy to implement).
If this fails, it could be that you have a serious error in the camera.

good luck, keep us informed how you progress.

ben brugman
Paul Mitchum - 20 Nov 2006 18:34 GMT
> Hey, I've just bought a Canon 400D, works like a charm, but I'm no
> professional. My pics are saved in sRGB colorspace format, which by all
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I've been reading about monitor color management, everything, to better
> understand what's going wrong...

Take a picture. Upload it without editing. If it's red, then the web
site is to blame.
Ben Brugman - 21 Nov 2006 19:41 GMT
>> Hey, I've just bought a Canon 400D, works like a charm, but I'm no
>> professional. My pics are saved in sRGB colorspace format, which by all
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> Take a picture. Upload it without editing. If it's red, then the web
> site is to blame.
Strong conclusion without analysing the situation.

Several things could be wrong. It does not need to be the web site.
Camera, website, monitor, the eyes and all things in between,
(software and cables not excluded).

My advise first analyse then make a conclusion.

ben
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 21 Nov 2006 21:02 GMT
> Strong conclusion without analysing the situation.
>
> Several things could be wrong. It does not need to be the web site.
> Camera, website, monitor, the eyes and all things in between,
> (software and cables not excluded).

I think you can exclude cables ... unless somebody ignored checksum/parity
errors.

> My advise first analyse then make a conclusion.

Good advise.  

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Ben Brugman - 22 Nov 2006 22:35 GMT
>> Strong conclusion without analysing the situation.
>>
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> I think you can exclude cables ... unless somebody ignored checksum/parity
> errors.

If you use RGB/Scart cables and one of the lines get's broken or
disconnected,
you still get a picture, but strange colors.

Some people will report this as a color cast and suspect windows of doing
something wrong.

(One time somebody asked me to restore the taskmenu for windows.
I went there to make some software adjustments, but when I came there
the screen just didn't display the bottom, the frame had to be shifted up.
Another time a computer wasn't working. The department rabbit had
chewed some cables. Took some time to find that problem.).

So that's why I say, first analyse the problem, then try to find a solution.

ben

>> My advise first analyse then make a conclusion.
>
> Good advise.
Randy W. Sims - 23 Nov 2006 19:14 GMT
> Another time a computer wasn't working. The department rabbit had
> chewed some cables. Took some time to find that problem.).

The "department rabbit"? Which department was that?

Randy.
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 24 Nov 2006 20:03 GMT
>>> Strong conclusion without analysing the situation.
>>>
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> disconnected,
> you still get a picture, but strange colors.

Yes.  But the problem would appear on both the original and the image on the
web.  Since it only appears on the web, I indicated it is fair to ignore
cabling issues.  The comment about checksum/parity errors refers to any
potential issues you may have with a USB cable.

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