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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / November 2006Pentax new sealed DSLR looks better and better.....
Against water and other crap. http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all > Against water and other crap. > > http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all So how does a link to a 20D dissection show us that? In article <454e4471$0$8026$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D <no@email.com> writes >> Against water and other crap. >> >> http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all > >So how does a link to a 20D dissection show us that? Er'm, immersing your camera in salt water and the leaving it to corrode is a bad idea. Of course if your are stupid spending more on a camera designed for stupid people is a good idea, the rest of us will spend the money on improving the photographs and accept the risk of damage to the camera.  SignatureIan G8ILZ >>> Against water and other crap. > > Er'm, immersing your camera in salt water and the leaving it to > corrode is a bad idea. No kidding. And what's even worse is that Rich actually seems to believe that environmental seals would prevent this kind of damage. He's completely wrong since the seals are NOT water proof, they are water resistant. The seals are designed only to help prevent damage from incidental rainfall and dusty environments, not for submersion in the ocean. There are specialized cameras and/or underwater housings available that will keep the camera safe when submerged. I couldn't find a K10D manual on the Pentax Imaging site, so I'll use another well known camera with weather seals as an example. From the Nikon D200 manual under the Caring for the camera section: "Keep dry This product is not waterproof, and may mal-function if immersed in water or exposed to high levels of humidity" But hey, if Rich wants to drop a Pentax K10D (or any other weather sealed camera) into the ocean to test his theory, and post the results, good luck to him. > >>> Against water and other crap. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > sealed camera) into the ocean to test his theory, and post the > results, good luck to him. There is an account of a guy who dropped a 1DsMkII into a pool of water, it was submerged and yet apparently suffered no internal damage or leakage. Weather sealing is rated at different levels. But SOME sealing is better than NO sealing. >> >>> Against water and other crap. >> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > or leakage. Weather sealing is rated at different levels. > But SOME sealing is better than NO sealing. The standard lenses are not sealed anyway so unless you also buy the new sealed lenses it will not do much. >> "Keep dry This product is not waterproof, and may mal-function if >> immersed in water or exposed to high levels of humidity" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > damage > or leakage. Well golly gee Rich, there are rare accounts of cars hitting large transport trucks head on at 60mph, being totally demolished, and the car driver walking away with just a few minor scratches from broken glass. But that does NOT mean you should slam your car into the grill of a truck and expect to walk away. > Weather sealing is rated at different levels. > But SOME sealing is better than NO sealing. That's not what you suggested in your original post. > The standard lenses are not sealed anyway so unless you also buy the > new sealed lenses it will not do much. Another good point. >>>> Against water and other crap. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > another well known camera with weather seals as an example. From the Nikon > D200 manual under the Caring for the camera section: Looks like the K10D manual that was on the UK site has been pulled, here is one that I have though. ;-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pete_with_pentax/285444496/ > "Keep dry This product is not waterproof, and may mal-function if > immersed in water or exposed to high levels of humidity" > > But hey, if Rich wants to drop a Pentax K10D (or any other weather sealed > camera) into the ocean to test his theory, and post the results, good luck > to him. > Against water and other crap. > > http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all Salt water is bad news. > Against water and other crap. > > http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all Looks like they found that after the tide went down. Bill Crocker > Against water and other crap. > > http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all No way Rich, it is plastic. Will never measure up. > > Against water and other crap. > > > > http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all > > No way Rich, it is plastic. Will never measure up. Maybe it'll float? >> > Against water and other crap. >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Maybe it'll float? Well you can't have it both ways, make up your mind. > >> > Against water and other crap. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Well you can't have it both ways, make up your mind. If you have to make do with the best of a group, then pick the one with the least flaws. And here is why: -Nikon D80 no IS no dust cleaning -Canon Rebel XTi rotten ergonomics -Sony A100 noisiest images of the group -Olympus E-400 MIA North America -Olympus E-3 still no word -Olympus E-440 (still a rumour) -Pentax K10D best spec'd, larger, more comfortable to use, build quality (for plastic) seems to be at the level of the Nikon. And to the original post subject line, it is weather sealed. The only step up at this moment from them is the Nikon D200 which is likely to undergo some changes soon (Maybe it'll be the D200s?). The argument can be made that the 20D and 30D are better choices, despite the lower pixel counts and the 20D is now almost or as cheap as the Nikon D80 depending on where you buy it. Would any of the plastic 10s be as robust as the E-1? No. But then the E-1 cost about $1700 for the body when was introduced. >If you have to make do with the best of a group, then pick the one with >the least flaws. >And here is why: >-Nikon D80 no IS no dust cleaning > >The only step up at this moment from them is the Nikon D200 which is Funny, the D200 has neither dust cleaning, nor built-in IS, yet you claim it is a step up from the D80. Maybe you need to work a little bit more on that table. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency > >If you have to make do with the best of a group, then pick the one with > >the least flaws. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it is a step up from the D80. Maybe you need to work a little bit more > on that table. But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. >But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the >specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. In that case you should have listed the lack of sealing or the built quality of the D80. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency > >But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the > >specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. > > In that case you should have listed the lack of sealing or the built > quality of the D80. Why? I was only referencing the current crop of plastic 10 megs and the Nikon is number 1 or maybe 2 out of that group when it comes to build quality. >>But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the >>specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. > >In that case you should have listed the lack of sealing or the built >quality of the D80. Why? That's an unreasonable expectation. After all, Rich is making this up as he goes. I have seen no evidence he has ever handled a Nikon outside the safe, secure confines of Henry's.... TR > >>But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the > >>specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > TR You'd be wrong, but so what if that were the case? Has every Canon and Nikon owner handled each others cameras, used them extensively for photography? As for making it up, all the the specs I cited are documented. Do you morons ever tire of being wrong or reactionary? >> >>But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the >> >>specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > As for making it up, all the the specs I cited are documented. Do you > morons ever tire of being wrong or reactionary? So you have used the D80 extensively outside of Henry's? Good for you, where are the photos then? Money, mouth, ante up, walk the walk!! > >> >>But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the > >> >>specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Money, mouth, ante up, walk the walk!! Nikons, but not the D80. If the premium for voicing an opinion on something is extensive experience, then everyone here can probably not say anything unless it concerns the specific camera they use all the time. Which is just stupid. It implies that no one who ever made a choice on a camera brand ever made a good choice because they didn't have extensive enough experience beforehand with all models. >> >> >>But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through >> >> >>the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > brand ever made a good choice because they didn't have extensive enough > experience beforehand with all models. You bought an Oly, the end! >>> But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the >>> specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > TR Henry's, where the prices are higher. Henry's where the sales "associates" are told 15 minutes max per customer, if they look like they will take more than 15 minutes, give them the "bum's rush" Yup, Henry's > >>> But it is sealed and it is better built. You could also go through the > >>> specs and see how it compares in every dept. to the D80. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yup, Henry's There is always Vistek, Downtown Camera, Aden, etc. |
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